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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Wrong, wrong, wrong. The powertrain engineers AND Ford's execs have said the MKS will be the first application of EB followed by the Taurus and Flex. The 2.5L EB will come much later (if at all). If it was ready now then we'd be hearing about it like we're hearing about the 3.5L EB.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    Wrong, wrong, wrong. The powertrain engineers AND Ford's execs have said the MKS will be the first application of EB followed by the Taurus and Flex.

    I realize that and that's why I, like you, said that the timing was not ever verified. If the EB does in fact make it into the '10 Fusion I would guess it would arrive for JOB2 which should be well after the MKS gets it. The Taurus and Flex will most likely get the EB V6 like the MKS. The Fusion is said to be getting the EB I4 which could mean it's getting that before the Taurus and Flex get theirs.

    Why would they roll out 3 EB V6 models before even rolling out one I4? The I4 will be as powerful as a D35 V6 but get much better gas mileage. It would make sense to get the I4 going in something ASAP given gas prices these days.

    If it was ready now then we'd be hearing about it like we're hearing about the 3.5L EB.

    Wrong, wrong, wrong (to use your words). They still have to get rid of the '08s and sell a lot of '09s before we even see 2010. Why on earth would they tell us how much better the latter will be than the two former?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Why would they roll out 3 EB V6 models before even rolling out one I4? The I4 will be as powerful as a D35 V6 but get much better gas mileage. It would make sense to get the I4 going in something ASAP given gas prices these days.

    You have to remember that they've been working on these for several years and gas prices just shot up recently. The EB 3.5L is filling a hole in the engine lineup for the D3 vehicles - there is no other option for 300+ hp.

    While the EB 2.5L would yield better mileage, they already have a 240 hp and 265 hp V6 engine available, so there isn't a hole in the lineup, just a more efficient option.

    They still have to get rid of the '08s and sell a lot of '09s before we even see 2010. Why on earth would they tell us how much better the latter will be than the two former?

    But that's exactly what they did when they announced the EB 3.5L 18 months ago. Everyone knows the EB 3.5L is coming next year for the MKS and Taurus.

    I just think they have limited resources and the EB 2.5L was not a priority previously for the reasons above. I'm sure they're looking at moving it up now based on current situation but it won't happen overnight.

    Maybe we'll see it later next year but I'd be very surprised if we see it on the 2010 Fusion.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    But that's exactly what they did when they announced the EB 3.5L 18 months ago. Everyone knows the EB 3.5L is coming next year for the MKS and Taurus.

    Not quite. The EB line wasn't announced to the public until about 6-8 months ago and we didn't know what vehicles the 3.5L was going into first until that time either. I have a feeling we're going to hear something about the EB 2.5L in L.A. when the 2010 Fusion is revealed. I agree that we probably won't see it in the Fusion at launch but it could probably work its way in mid-MY IMO.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    The TwinForce 3.5L debuted on the MKR concept at the 2006 Detroit Auto Show.

    It was announced in July of last year that the MKS would definitely get the TwinForce 3.5L engine instead of the 4.4L V8. The name was changed to EcoBoost a few months later.

    We'll have to wait and see, but I just don't see the EB 2.5L anytime soon.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    It was announced in July of last year that the MKS would definitely get the TwinForce 3.5L engine instead of the 4.4L V8.

    And that was 18 months ago? :confuse: Showing it in a concept car with a different name and confirming it in a production car are two completely different things.

    We'll have to wait and see, but I just don't see the EB 2.5L anytime soon.

    I agree up to the comma. ;) However I think they'll work faster to get it out given the current market. They need to offer something that Honda, Toyota, Chevy, and Nissan don't have to sell more Fusions IMO. V6 power with I4 fuel efficiency with a small price premium, if any, (my assumption) would be just that. Especially if the EB motors live up to the promises.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    And that was 18 months ago?

    No but it's longer than 6-8 months like you originally said. I thought it was in the MKS concept back in Jan. 2007 but it wasn't.

    If they were going to do the EB 2.5L then they wouldn't need the PIP 3.0L. I just don't think the EB 2.5L will be available for at least 12-18 months.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    No but it's longer than 6-8 months like you originally said.

    At least I was closer! :P

    I'm not sure where you're coming up with July either as I've only been able to find the announcement from the L.A. show in November of '07. That includes the Ford media site. I'm always on the lookout for some good insider info. ;)
  • oshkosh49oshkosh49 Posts: 13
    Actually, the article was not totally accurate. Yes, the EcoBoost (Twin Force) 3.5L V6 will debut in the Lincoln MKS. But NOT on the 2009 model. For 2009, only the Duratech 3.7L V6 is available, nothing else. The EcoBoost 3.5L will not be available until sometime during the 2010 model year.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    If you read something last week about Ford Future product plans, CHANCES are that this week that info is OUT OF DATE.

    PS Until you see it on the ground, or in an order guide, Don't count on it.

    They are changing their plans now faster than Oprah changes dress sizes...

    Mark
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Of course it's not accurate, but that wasn't the question. The question was when did Ford announce plans for the EB 3.5L in the MKS. Not when it would actually arrive.
  • fusionguyfusionguy Posts: 6
    I am new to this forum, but have been reading it as I am interested in buying a 2009 Fusion SEL 4cylinder. I read on edmunds.com with their pricing info for the 2009 Fusion that the Advance Trac Stability Control will be available as an option. I want to ask anyone out there if they know if this Advance Trac option will include Traction Control on the 4 cylinder Fusion. I know that Traction Control has been an option on the V6 Fusion since it was introduced, but never on the 4 cylinder Fusion. Thanks !
  • savethelandsavetheland Posts: 671
    Check out http://jalopnik.com. They published spy photos of 2010 Fusion interior. Looks like the old stuff with minor changes in typical Ford fashion.

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Traction control is typically included with Advance Trac but can't say for sure. Check the Ford website when it shows up.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    We don't know for sure if that's the final interior - could still be pre-production. But even so - they changed the center stack which was the weakness in the pre-09 models with the brick stereo. That is a HUGE nav screen with 4x the resolution of the old one and the brick stereo is gone. The gauges are also totally different. We won't see a totally new interior until it merges with the Mondeo platform in 2-3 years. Given the exterior and drivetrain changes including the hybrid I think this is a significant MCE.
  • savethelandsavetheland Posts: 671
    The point is - Malibu is a better designed and better built car with better designed (I do not mean higher quality) interior. Seats are also better in Malibu. Malibu looks like a luxury car compared with Fusion. They have to change their budget-car-maker mindset with 2010 model or otherwise. GM is making progress – the same car – G6, Aura and Malibu. Saturn was better than G6 and Malibu is simply phenomenal. Why Ford cannot do the same thing – Mercury might be a better car than Fusion. Malibu costs $3000 more than Fusion and it worth every extra $$. Ford has to stop making cheapest cars on the market – margins are not there. Ford tries to compete with Huyday – wasn't Ford supposed to compete with Chevy?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    No, the point is you haven't seen a 2010 Fusion yet and you certainly haven't sat in one so you have no basis for comparison. And if the Malibu is so superior why don't you explain why the older worse design Fusion outsold the Malibu 18000 to 15,600 in May? And if you include Milan it's even worse than that. The Malibu is one of the nicest GM cars in years but it's hardly that much better than the current Fusion, much less the 2010 model.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    ALL stability control programs, ESC, or what ever the manufacturer calls it includes ABS and traction control.

    Simply put, ESC just adds a yaw sensor to traction control.

    Mark
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    I'm sure the UAW strike cut into Malibu sales.

    Mark
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