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  • milkman1milkman1 Posts: 80
    So most Toyota dealers already have 2010 Camry on the lot and don't show the pricing on their site. Ford has the pricing on their site and no 2010 Fusions on the lot. I've held out as long as I could for the fusion to get here and I think I'm done waiting. 32 years and I think I am finally giving up on waiting for Detroit. grrrrrrrrrr
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,613
    if you have to buy a new car now, that's what you have to do.
    wait a little longer, and you can play one off against the other.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    So most Toyota dealers already have 2010 Camry on the lot and don't show the pricing on their site. Ford has the pricing on their site and no 2010 Fusions on the lot. I've held out as long as I could for the fusion to get here and I think I'm done waiting. 32 years and I think I am finally giving up on waiting for Detroit.

    They have received the okay to sell as of now, I believe.

    Just to be clear, its the 3rd month of '09 and you are upset the '10s aren't here yet?

    While I appreciate your interest in the Fusion, as I am pretty curious too, I can't help but wonder if there is some justification to get something else going on. If you like it, and it sounds like its going to be something good, why wouldn't you wait for it? They announced the roll out would be in March, it seems like that is on track.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    Boy, and I thought I was impatient. If your willing to "give up" on the American auto industry in general and Ford in particular because a newly designed 2010 model isn't already in the showrooms in March of 09 well good luck to you. I've read that Ford was holding back delivery for QC to ensure a perfect product hits the floor. That's good news to me. I also read the the first 800 vehicles have been approved for shipment. I hope mine is one of them. I was lucky enough to see a 2010 Fusion Sport at a training reps house. This car is worth waiting for. Don't limit your options, be patient and wait until they arrive, you'll be glad you did.
  • milkman1milkman1 Posts: 80
    It's not just the current situation. I just get tired of how much better set up and organized the foreign competition is at the auto shows, the corporate web sites, and the fact that the second Detroit ups the competition the competition has already put something new in the field that's arguably better again. I mean Ford keeps saying how they are more fuel efficient than Camry but that's not ended up being the case. I4 vs I4 2010s the Camry won already unless we are talking the stripped down Fusion. I'm not saying I'm not going to get the Fusion, but I have to toss the Camry into this and it just depresses me to no end. The only reason I need to get a car now is I'm tired of thinking about it.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I just get tired of how much better set up and organized the foreign competition is at the auto shows

    I thought Ford looked good at Detroit and LA, I didn't get to go to Chicago though. Was this one of the main shows or dealer level? In Detroit, the Ford display was the most interactive and arguably the coolest one there (also had the most new product).

    I don't know, I guess its just depressing to hear stuff like that after it seems like so much effort went into it.

    the corporate web sites,

    I noticed on the Honda and Toyota websites, it can be challenging to figure out how much anything actually costs. Was there a particular piece that the Ford website wasn't handling?

    I mean Ford keeps saying how they are more fuel efficient than Camry but that's not ended up being the case. I4 vs I4 2010s the Camry won already unless we are talking the stripped down Fusion. I'm not saying I'm not going to get the Fusion, but I have to toss the Camry into this and it just depresses me to no end.

    I don't know of any mechanical differences between the S, SE and SEL 4 cylinder Fusions except for maybe some weight gain for a power seat and sun roof and stuff like that. I don't know why it would be so dramatically different.

    There is nothing wrong with a Camry. Lots of people buy them and are satisfied with them. The Fusion is a competitive entry into a crowded market. It seems like both vehicles are reliable, both vehicles have a dealer network that can handle the service and maintenance, both vehicles have a lot of advanced options available, you just have to decide what things are important to you and go for it.

    I can't take the crappy bluetooth visor clip on deal anymore and the lack of an iPod interface kills me, so SYNC is important to me. I don't care for the ride and handling of the Camry, I like something that feels a little sportier. I do like the sunroof, and I need a manual transmission, so that narrows things down even more.

    I guess I like rooting for the underdog. I feel so vested, its just a car :confuse:
  • savethelandsavetheland Posts: 671
    I do not see how you can cross shop Fusion and Camry. They are very different kind of cars. Fusion is more athletic and sporty and for younger crowd and Camry is soft freeway cruiser similar to Buick - for older folks. May be if you like confident handling and good steering feel you should compare Fusion with Altima and Mazda6 instead of Camry. I am giving this advicet because you will be highly disappointed in Camry if you want sporty ride and buy Camry in the rush. I know people who hate that they are stuck with their Camries and Avalons exactly for that reason.

    If you prefer soft handling look into Sonata and Malibu for comparision with Camry. Or wait for new Buick LaCrosse - it appears to be very exiting car and its sibling Opel Insignia was a winner of European Car fo the Year in 2008.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    The average buyer doesn't give a rats behind about sporty vs. soft handling, etc. It's all about price, reliability, looks and features. Once again you assume that all car buyers share your priorities, likes and dislikes. But almost everyone on this forum is in the minority when you look at the car buying public as a whole.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The average buyer doesn't give a rats behind about sporty vs. soft handling, etc. It's all about price, reliability, looks and features.

    Sad, but true. I doubt my grandmother bought her 2002 Accord (4-cyl, LX) because it was a sportier offering, at the time. She bought it because she could see out of it well (low cowl/widely adjustable seat), got good mileage, it was comfortable, and had a dealer literally 45 seconds from home. Would a Camry suit her better? Possibly, but at the time, the Honda looked better to her, and could be had cheaper (end of that model run, and the Camry was newer). Plus, she'd gotten 120k of excellent service from her '96 Accord, which I actually own today. It now has 190k miles. :)
  • savethelandsavetheland Posts: 671
    I assume that people on this board do care about handling and steering feel. Good handling is also safety feature. I recently rent Chevy Cobalt and was scared driving it. I have similar size Ford Focus with similar size engine (2.3L vs 2.2L) and it is older model than Cobalt. In Focus though I feel absolutely confident that car can do everything I ask and I really feel what car does every given moment so I can get relaxed behind the wheel - even at high speeds. So if you want to feel stressful and scary behind the wheel - go and buy Camry. If you want to be relaxed and confident - buy Fusion.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    You just don't get it. WE may care about handling, but the VAST MAJORITY of the car buying public doesn't. People buy 400K Camcords per year because of the styling, reliability and features - not because they handle well.

    The fact that the Camry outsells the Accord should tell you something.
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    My 06 SEL V6 is a wonderful car. I recommend over a Camry/Accord.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    I received an e-mail from my dealer today. He stated the allocation listing just came out and mine is scheduled for build in mid April and I should expect delivery late April or early May. The order went in on March 2nd. He also gave me the VIN. I did a VIN results search on fleet.ford.com and it's already listed there. I tried to enter it at the fordvehicles.com owners web site and it stated it wasn't a valid number. Anyway, that's all good news to me and a few steps closer to my new ride.

    Fusion SEL
    Sport Blue Metallic
    2.5L I4
    Moon and Tune
    Remote Starter
  • I have an 07 Camry, which I have never been happy with since the day I bought it. Ride is soft, seats are unsupportive, transmission hunts for gears when on the freeway (mainly when going up or down even the slightest of inclines).

    I drove an 09 Fusion SEL V-6 yesterday. Seems to have lots of pep, seats were supportive and the ride was firm, but not harsh.

    Ford dealer stated Ford currently has $3500 rebate. Car is about $27,400 (sticker), so wondered if Ford is also dealing well on these cars.

    I was impressed, and wondered how long you have owned your Fusion and how you like it.

    Thanks.
  • milkman1milkman1 Posts: 80
    They are advertising 7500 off 09 Fusions here. One dealer leaves the keys in them at night unattended. Meanwhile, for all us who have to have a test drive to buy, you can't find a 2010 to try out.
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994

    They are advertising 7500 off 09 Fusions here.


    Down here in central Georgia, one dealer has the '09 Fusion S with automatic (MSRP 20,220) advertised for $14,990. That's $2000 below Elantra money here.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    You can get a very good idea by driving an 09, that's what I did. With the improvements such as more sound deadening, electric assist power steering, improved suspension, better aerodynamics and improved stereo, among others, will make the ride even better.
  • otis12otis12 Posts: 160
    A local Ford dealer in northern NJ has a half dozen '10s on the lot and shown on its web site, warnockauto.com . Non-hybrids, 4 and 6 cylinder models.
  • coldcrankercoldcranker Posts: 877
    lilengineerboy said: "There is nothing wrong with a Camry. "

    Have you driven a Toyota Camry or Avalon lately? Steering is crap. Steering is important to me (I'm weird that way, as I like to be able to put the car where I want it). Anybody considering a Camry over a Fusion should really do 2 things:

    1. Read the many car reviews by experts at Car And Driver, Motor Trend, Automobile, etc., about the wallowy steering in the Camry.

    2. Drive one yourself if you can't believe its that bad. It is that bad. I drove a couple, and still can't believe that a decent company like Toyota could do this. Very non-competitive of Toyota to do that. Almost every other vehicle is better.

    Then, you'll appreciate what the engineers at Ford have done with the Fusion.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    I guarantee you that at least 8 out of 10 prospective Camry buyers would have no problems with the steering and would not notice the difference between a Camry and a Fusion. It's just not important for the vast majority of the public.
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