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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan

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  • The Fusion isn't designed to snatch buyers away from the Camry. To appeal to vegetable lasagna buyers, you need to serve up your own dish of vegetable lasagna. And I, for one, am glad that Ford didn't replace its outgoing vegetable lasagna design, the Taurus, with another helping of vegetable lasagna - Honda and Toyota rule that market. And you'll never beat those two at the vegetable lasagna game - they make the rules. Personally, I think it's nice to see a midsize with a little spice in it. Right now, with the exception of the Mazda and perhaps Nissan, there really isn't a midsize option for the under 50 crowd.

    I'm unclear as to what's so confusing here. The Fusion handles better, is more powerful (considerably so after the new HP ratings), more stylish and less expensive than the Camry. Is it going to come down to these two for any buyer out there? It's like shopping for shoes and narrowing it down to either Adidas or Florsheims. They're two completely different types of cars for two completely different types of drivers.
  • rambo5rambo5 Posts: 37
    There is an Aux input button on the radio which as per the manual is non functional. I question as to whether there is a aux input in the back of the unit.
  • Not only tacky, but poor sound quality too- at least in comparison with a direct-in jack.

    C'mon Ford, you have build a great looking car, but even the base Saturn Ion has an AUX jack and XM available.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    gogophers1 - Have you forgotten the Malibu / G6 / 9-3? What about the new Malibu SS and G6 GTP? What about the more expensive cars? The mid-sized (and about every other) market is rather crowded.

    By the way, a loaded Fusion has an invoice price of $23,760, while a loaded Zephry has an invoice price of $33,032. I think that difference explains why things are missing from the Fusion.

    Now, as an example, consider that the invoice price of a 2006 Accord EX V6 is $25,118, slightly less than 6% more than the cost of the Fusion. It seems that the main purpose of the Fusion may be to appeal to present Ford customers who do not want a Taurus or Focus.

    However, neither have Sirius radio, something which is very diffficult to understand in light of the fact that it is an option, so they can charge a substantial amount for a few dollars worth of electronic parts, an antenna wire, and an antenna.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,278
    I believe there is one on the back of the head unit, to interface withe the aux setting. There are aftermarket pieces designed to work with it that do the same thing as the aux plug in the front, the only difference being you have to pull th eunit and run a wire.

    There is a component (Denison icelink maybe??) that you can get that will actually hook into the steering wheel, letting you have some control of the ipod, but I think it is pricy.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Nothing that works properly for the 2006 Fusion.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,278
    it is new, some maybe it will arrive eventually.

    I usually just leave the ipod in shuffle mode in the car, so all I really need is the volume control, which does still work from the steering wheel. On the occasion where I feel like skipping a song, I can hit the right spot on the wheel without looking at it. Plus, the ipod screen is easier to use, especially if you are looking at a song list.

    So, in my case, all I really want is an aux plug so I can toss the dumb FM modulater.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,668
    I bet this would work:

    http://www.discountcarstereo.com/detail.aspx?ID=813

    I think the Fusion stereo is the same as the five hundred and 2005+ mustang.
  • What a beautiful car. I saw an SEL metallic beige heading in the opposite direction yesterday, Wow! can't believe how masculine and aesthetically pleasing this car really looks. I WANT ONE NOW! trading in my 2002 Deville DTS (fully loaded, night vision and all) and a 99 Contour SE. I was seriously thinking of getting the new Sonata but the Fusion has the PIMP! factor that no other family sedan can match. Way to go ford.
    I live in Brooklyn, NY and domestics sedans are far and few. Seems like everyone and there grandmother is in a CamCord or AltiMax. I stopped by the dealership today to inquire about getting a loaded SEL. He said good luck, we can't even keep them in the floor for more than 6 hrs. Said a dude traded in a 05 Maxima yesterday for an SEL. Don't know about that but that anyhow Brooklyn is definately feeling the Fusion
  • I must say this is a nice vehicle, much nicer looking in person, it caught my eye as i was passing by the ford dealer. Fit and Finish is flawless and interior is very well laid out. I currently drive a 93 lexus gs and i think this will be my next vehicle. This model featured the black leather seats w/ contrast stitching, the leather is of high quality, feels like the same graining as in the honda accord. The V6 is very willing and very very very quiet. This engine revs eagerly and smoothly, and the 6 speed was flawless, never felt it in action. I was also impressed by what i didnt hear in the cabin. At 60mph, the cabin was very quiet, no rattles, or squeaks to be heard. Only 2 negitives i can think of is the lack of stability control and a navigation system. And im sure those 2 features will be added within the coming years. All and all im very impressed with ford for this vehicle because Ford greatly needs a vehicle like this (salesperson stated this as well). And i look forward to purchasing within the near future
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    The car I looked at was black with the black leather interior. It was OK, and it didnt seem overly cheap but some brightwork would help. I mean the center stack is nothing but black plastic and black buttons. Plus it doesnt help that Ford keeps using that same head unit. I wanted to see if it was more impressive in person that what I've seen in the pics but it was about what I expected. The way the press was praising the interior I expected more. BAsed on what I've read this is supposedly the first Ford and maybe first domestic midsize sedan that can hold a candle to an Accord. In styling and dynamics I agree. But the interior still feels domestic, maybe even moreso than the 2006 Malibu interior. The Malibu interior with leather looked far better than the lame pics on the website would have you believe. The chrome and contasting stitching worked wonders.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,668
    To each his own but I think the Fusion interior is very un-Detroit-like!
  • Malibu ?? you must be kidding right ? Did you feel the rough plastic on the center console, that stuff feels course enough to cut your hand off. At least the ford uses soft touch materials that are pleasant and nice to the touch. And for some reason GM seems to think crome trim and bezels can cure everything. There interiors are just horrible and they need to find a new direction. Ford is doing an excellent job and the interior quality and apperance is leaps and bounds ahead of GM, and on par with honda, toyota, etc... (my opinion)
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    In short, I would rather have a Fusion V6 than a Camry four banger or a Sonata V6.

    Pretty soon with Ford's employee pricing, the V6 Fusion will probably cost less than a 4 cylinder Camry or Accord
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Check the latest MotorTrend, your HP numbers may change. Looks like Toyota/Honda/Nissan were doing some tricks to get thier HP ratings.. For instance the 3.3 V6 made by Toyota had to drop 15HP to 190... Says American cars like Pontiac G6, Caddillac for example actually gain HP... SAE rules and such... get the mag... and read the article..
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    year of the Fusion/Milan/Zepher is going to be a good one for Ford. I believe the Hermisslo plant can only produce about 300,000 of these vehicles a year. I plan on buying next year. I spoke with a Ford district manager in another chat room. He or she basically said, as soon as inventory has been reaching dealerships, they sell or have been pre-sold!!. So dealers aren't going to deal, they don't have to right now.
    As for as the Fusion/Milan out to take over Cam/Cord spot for best seller.. I really don't think Ford was after that title. I believe Ford wants to show the Car world they are still capable of building a great car at a fair price. Something Toyota and Honda used to do..
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    MT was a bit off... the Toyota 3.0L in the Camry dropped to 190 horses and 197 foot pounds, the 3.3L in the Camry SE V6 dropped to 210 hp and 220 lb-ft. The Pontiac G6 3.5L gained a single horse, to 201. Its important to note that only the ratings changed, the cars arent going to be faster or slower than they were last year.

    ~alpha
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,668
    They don't have to take over the top spot but they do need to make some conquests of Accord and Camry buyers if they want to gain market share. Otherwise they'll just be cannabilizing their other vehicle sales (Focus, etc.).

    I see no reason why they won't achieve their sales goals without huge incentives.
  • I am coming out of 7 years of driving salemens sedans, ie... company cars. Last one was 04 Camery V6, before that an 03 Impala, 02 Intrigue, 00 Intrigue, 99 Intrepid. At the time I went into each one I felt that particular car had the best combination of looks and performance available from the list of sedans available to me. The Accord was never available to us because of the pricing of their V6 and something to do with the way our open ended leases worked. The Fusion reminds me of the 99 Intrigue ( which I believe was one hell of a car.) The styling is excellent, the leather interior is good, performance seems ok (the plus being the v6 with 6 speed auto transmission is smooth) and the price point is A++. I had to spend my own cash for a car this time and for the money you can't get close the level of car the Fusion offers for the price.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    don't worry about 1487; always pumping up gm offerings. i think i remember a post about the cavalier being under appreciated. ;)
  • The EPA fuel economy site has just posted numbers for 2006 vehicles

    www.fueleconomy.gov

    They show the Fusion 4-cylinder auto rated at 24/32. That's higher than the manual at 23/31. How is that possible? When will the 4-cylinder autos be available?
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,278
    the manual is geared shorter for better performance, especially in 5th gear. More revs = lower mpg.

    Keep in mind that the ratings are on the EPA tests. Manuals quite often make up the difference in real life.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    I second that. MT's have always done better than AT's in my experience, no matter what the EPA tests indicate.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    If it revs higher on the highway, it will be noisier and it isn't going to make up the mileage difference in real life just because it's a manual. However, since it's only a 1 mpg difference, you may not really "notice" any difference in mileage on the Fusion anyway.

    It is only recently that automatics have been getting higher highway mileage than manuals and that's because the automatics are getting taller high gears and manuals are getting shorter high gears which might be due to complaints about cruise control performance on inclines on cars with manual transmission.
    People don't want to keep downshifting and resetting the cruise control or downshift on hills even if they aren't using cruise control.
    This a new thing. Very few cars were rated with higher mileage for automatics before very recently. This is the same with the newly designed 2006 Honda Civic automatic which now runs at much lower rpms at highway speeds than the manual.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,278
    by real life, I mean all the time you are not crising at a steady speed, locked into top gear. Overall mileage will probably be better with the MT, and it also depends on when you shift and how you drive the AT.

    Also, this whole CC thing is bugging me. For the few people that actually will have it happen to them, way more people are going to use more gas.

    I used to have a '91 Mazda 626 5 speed, with a whopping 115HP. I could drive up the NY thruway (the hilly part through the Catskills and Adirondacks) at normal speed (70-75) and never normally had to downshift, witho or without CC. The only time I ever had to hit 4th gear was if I got stuck behind a truck in the right lane, and needed to pull out at 50 to pass, but in that case, the CC had to be cancelled anyway!!

    Dropping the top gear RPMs by ~400 at 75 isn't likely to require many more shifts, and besides, THE PEOPLE WHO BUY STICKS DON"T MIND SHIFTING NOW AND THEN!!!!!!!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • skibry1skibry1 Posts: 174
    I enjoy downshifting to pass!! Why else did the good Lord give us a left
    leg for any way...to flex that clutch..stir a gear..ease her out...and image
  • This review of the Fusion, which I posted a while back, is probably the least positive I've read to date. http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/New/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/38832/Act/Roadtest/ I do think it's interesting, however, that according to ConsumerGuide's road test (based on a 0-10 scale) of the 2006 Taurus; the Fusion doesn't handle any better, is not any quieter, and has the same quality of an interior of a 2006 Taurus. http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/New/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/38684/Act/Roadtest/ Seems a bit odd to me, but I guess everyone can't be impressed by the Fusion. Or maybe they're telling us what a great car the Vulcan-only 2006 Taurus is...
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Why does that matter? They use a rough 1 to 10 opinion scale rather than precise measurable values. Some things are subjective and you can see what you like and don't like by looking at photos and taking a personal test drive.
    They still gave the Fusion an overall much higher score than the Taurus anyway.
  • Well I apologize for offending your superior erudition of automotive reviews. My comments on the Taurus were merely sarcastic observations which I did not intentd to be taken seriously, and I am fully aware that the 0-10 scale is mostly subjective (besides acceleration and fuel economy, which are objective ratings). However, the point of this scale is that it used to make comparisons to other vehicles in its class (otherwise there would be no point to this scale). According to ConsumerGuide, the Fusion places just below the class average and well below the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry, seeing that the Fusion "lags in mechanical refinement and detail workmanship". The point I am arriving to is that this review is atypical compared to the other positive reviews which place the Fusion at, if not above the level of the Accord and Camry. If I had the need or resources for a car, I would definitely base my decision on my own impressions of the vehicle. You are not the only one aware of that fact that it is imprudent to purchase a vehicle based solely on what others say.
  • pernaperna Posts: 533
    I was disappointed in the Fusion's 0-60 time. I want a freakin' Ford or GM Maxima, not an appliance that will get me to work and back.

    It's too bad, because like the Maximas of years past, the Fusion LOOKS the part of a "four door sports car". The interior is also nearly Maxima-grade.

    I don't know what's so difficult about this. Car companies have GOT to know there is a HUGE market of guys like me who need the practicality of four doors and a trunk, but really wish we were all driving Mustangs. It's frustrating.
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