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Acura MDX 2007

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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    all I have to do is compare the Q7 prices to the MDX.
    Much better value with the MDX.
    Combine that with the horror stories of Q7 owners and I will sleep very well choosing the new MDX.

    My only concern is the lousy way Acura has combined the packages.
    Why can't I order sport without any other package or a power lift gate without the rear entertainment package?
    Who the heck do they have over there making these dumb decisions?
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "Why can't I order sport without any other package or a power lift gate without the rear entertainment package?"

    Because offering a long list of options complicates the manufacturing process.

    Complicating the manufacturing process adds cost.

    Adding costs to production means passing costs to the customer.

    Added costs for the customer means the MDX is no longer a "much better value".

    On top of that, a less complicated assembly process means fewer assembly errors. Which means fewer horror stories.
  • I agree with that. Less option assembles bring less prices.
    In addition, I prefer to have less options deals when I met car dealers.
    The reason why I prefer this deal, I have met some of dealers are playing with prices when vehicles have many options.

    In other hand, I do understand some opinions are complain that lift gate option is attaching with ent packege. Can't they attch this on other packages? :shades:
  • I think they thought that the power liftgate/entertainment would be mostly selected by families with children. Power liftgate for my my 5'-2" wife to put the stroller in the back and DVD to entertain the kiddo.

    I am considering this for my next vehicle and both these items are of interest to me.
  • Put a $500 deposit down on an '07 w/ all the trimmings today. My dealers Oct. allotment was already spoken for and the Nov. list was going fast. At least thats what he told me.... he showed me the list. Very few of my dealers vehicles had all the options. Just an observation. He basically said that they would be asking MSRP for the first few allotments. He also mentioned that he heard other dealers would be asking MSRP+. So I guess I'm supposed to think I'll be getting a great deal. Also said that the first vehicles will be on the lot Oct. 17th.... that sound about right? They will have a demo to test drive on this date as well.
  • I am thinking to buy this on next Feb or Jan/2007. Not sure still require to have a deposit. The dealer on OC in California never mentioned about deposit, my guess is major citie's dealers are rnoughly have in stocks. I will just stay for while when MDX gets stable conditioned, better not to purchase first model comeout.

    Here is my lists on buying a 7 passenger luxury SUV on next year,

    1st MDX-Acura-most valuble so far I found.OCt 15-17 will show.

    2nd JFX(?)-Lexus I've looked some concept pics by internet.
    not attractive on exterior, but lexus does have reliablity than acura? should appear in next spring.

    3rd X5-BMW-Not reliable as others, but it does have cool features like head up display, some convenient interior options. will lease if I like it. December is the date of showing up.

    5th veracruz-Hyundai, not sure about engine, but it debuts in this year. Probably most valuble prices of those.

    4th Audi Q7-not reliable, at all.
  • The October 17th date was also given to me by a large dealership in Atlanta. I also put down a $500 deposit about two weeks ago. The list at that time was half full for October. Was quoted MSRP.

    The problem I had was that first selection (Sport/blue/beige) was not on the list for October supply. Have sinking feeling that certain color and package options will be hard to find if the majority of dealerships have waiting lists.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Two things kept my wife and I from buying an MDX in 2001: the obnoxious dealers insisting on full price plus add-ons, take it or leave it, and the plastic below the glove box cutting into her long legs, with inadequate seat adjustment range. Instead, we ordered a 2002 Mercury Mountaineer V8 which was delivered in September of 2001.

    The MDX is certainly worth a long hard look, but there are plenty of alternatives. For me, the main alternatives are the Ford Edge and its platform-mate, the Mazda CX-9. The Mazda CX-9 has more space than the Edge, since it has a 3rd row, and more fancy features, such as rain-sensing wipers. The other platform-mate of those two is the Lincoln MKX, which offers cooled :D and heated front seats, but my wife and I much prefer the interior and exterior of the Ford or Mazda versions.

    The MDX with the Sport&Technology option may well be nice enought to justify the $12,000 more it would cost me than an AWD Edge SEL Plus with a Pioneer AVIC-Z1 based sound and navigation system (with Nav-Traffic), the Lincoln MKX dimming exterior mirror, and a aftermarket dimming interior mirror with Homelink.

    Even if the MDX seems superior, I will drop it like a hot rock if the Acura dealers are as obnoxious as they were in 2001.

    Curiously given the price difference, the Edge will almost surely be somewhat quicker than the MDX - look at the gear ratios, weight, and power:

    Edge AWD SEL Plus
    4,282 pounds
    265 HP / 250 Ft.-Lbs., 6-speed automatic
    overall 1st gear 14.3
    overall 2nd gear 9.1
    overall 3rd gear 5.8
    overall 4th gear 4.5
    overall 5th gear 3.2
    overall 6th gear 2.3

    Acura MDX Sport & Tech.
    4,551 Pounds
    300 HP, 275 Ft. Lbs., 5-speed automatic
    overall 1st gear 12.2
    overall 2nd gear 7.3
    overall 3rd gear 4.8
    overall 4th gear 3.5
    overall 5th gear 2.4
    overall 6th gear ---

    I wonder why Honda / Acura did not install a six-speed transmission in this new model?
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "I wonder why Honda / Acura did not install a six-speed transmission in this new model?"

    They don't have one.

    Instead the budget went into developing the J37 engine, the sport-suspension system, and the integration of the VSA and SH-AWD.
  • As a side note, I did a price comparison with similar options between the Acura MDX and the Lincoln MKX. The Lincoln came in slightly below the MDX. I believe the amount was approximately $500.

    I don't see the Ford Edge as a comparable SUV to the MDX. The two SUV's are not in the same class (interior/suspension). The Ford Edge would be more likely compared to the Honda Pilot.

    As a side note do you think the Lincoln MKX is worth $12,00 more than the Ford Edge?
  • Is the Mazda CX-9 a new model? It doesn't show on their website and I've not read about it in the auto mags?
  • wopelwopel Posts: 92
    As there seems to be a study for everything. Does someone know where I can find information on the correlation of the exterior paint color to the inside temperature for a car/suv? Does it make that much difference to have a white vehicle with light insides, or is black and black not that far off?
    I put a deposit down on a Nimbus gray mettalic with taupe. I'm hoping the 3-zone climate control can handle any color.
    I was told by a good friend years ago to always buy black or white because it was easier to match the paint. I would hope in this day and age, matching paint is easier to do.
  • Here's a couple of websites addressing the color issue:

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  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    They do suck at this- but from another point, I have to give it to acura for simplifying some options. Seriosly, you can drop over ten grand worth of options into an expedition. whereas w/ MDX only options you can get is dealer instlled (like fender flares!). Er'thang else- standard.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    3rd X5-BMW-Not reliable as others, but it does have cool features like head up display, some convenient interior options. will lease if I like it. December is the date of showing up.

    5th veracruz-Hyundai, not sure about engine, but it debuts in this year. Probably most valuble prices of those.
    how does hyundai show up on same list as a BMW???
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The people here defending the options packages, I'm sure through no coincidence, are those people who are ordering all this stuff anyway. For them Acura's policy is indeed, economical.

    I want the basic vehicle with the sport package and power liftgate. Can't get either without spending more money on stuff I don't want. Don't need nav or rear entertainment.

    The option packages could have been made a little less "all-inclusive." Anybody should be able to order the sport package.
  • wopelwopel Posts: 92
    Thanks for the paint links.

    Acura did us all a disservice by packaging the options as they did. The sport package should stand alone. The power liftgate should be a separate option. DVD separate. It just seems to obvious. Not everyone has kids and needs the DVD, however, everyone has only 2 arms and would like that 3rd arm in the power liftgate. Why can't they see that?
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    The CX-9 is officially a new model. Before, it was a concept. Its due in early 2007. Edmunds has a test of it if you need info. Just type "cx-9" in that search box when you get to insideline. Or you can just click here.

    I ♥ the new MDX. Its just to $$$ for us budgeted folks! Oh well another one bites the dust...

    Hondas next 6 developments should be:
    1. The next accord
    2. A 6 speed auto(automanuals)
    3. A USA legal diesel engine
    4. 4cyl hybrid technology
    5. A V8
    6. Redevolping ATTS

    I hope I'm right!
    -Cj :)
  • "The CX-9 is officially a new model. Before, it was a concept. Its due in early 2007."

    I believe my local dealer has several on the lot. Took a brief look at one (no test drive) didn't think it was in the RDX's or the MDX's league if you ask me.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Like I said, the only folks not complaining about the packages are the people ordering the MDX fuly "loaded."

    It's just me, the wife and my roadbike. No kids. Would have liked the sport package. Maybe next time.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    It's just me, the wife and my roadbike. No kids. Would have liked the sport package. Maybe next time.

    No Howard not next time and not any time is Acuras going to offer a seperate sport package for the MDX. Your request is being heard by hearing impaired ears.

    Based on reading some posts here most MDX followers here are more concerned with techno-gizmos and interior space. Sport is not the be all and end all for MDX buyers and Honda knows that. So they're going to squeeze as much $$$ as they can out of every technophile MDX buyer that they can get their greedy hands on. And ofcourse they are going to make sure the few and very few sport enthusiasts buying a MDX will have to pay up their noses for unneccesary gizmos in order to get the firm sport suspension they want.

    A seperate sport package is just not going to cut it here. A seperate sport package may be very marketable for BMWs but not for Acuras. The customer priorities of an Acura MDX buyer and BMW X5 buyer are like night and day.

    Apparently gizmos and more electronic gizmos is what attracts Acura buyers and performance, handling and even more stiff handling is what attracts BMW buyers.
  • nxs138nxs138 Posts: 481
    You might be getting confused with the CX-7; the CX-9 has yet to be released. In fact, even Edmunds mentioned they had a pre-production model to test.

    However if your dealer does indeed have CX-9s on the lot, you should snap some pics and post them! People are wondering how the production model will look inside and out.

    The CX-9 will supposedly have all the same gadgets as the MDX, but I suspect that interior quality will likely be a bit lower, but who knows. It might be closer in "league" than you think!
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    of agree with Dewey here. Tech gizmos [nav and such] is what
    Acura does best, IMO they ARE the best at nav and electronics, so they are going to attract that crowd. BMW on the other hand does what it does with driving dynamics so there "greedy hands" will be in on that.
    I can't wait to see a head to head comparo but I can almost guarantee the outcome. The BMW will win with the journalists due to superior driving dynamics. The MDX will come in a close second on price, ergonomics, technology, and value, especially since the Acura will be going for about 3 grand off sticker in 6 months to a year.
    All that to say, I'm glad that Acura has taken a serious attitude towards performance, and handling :shades:
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Unfortunately, I have to agree, Dewey.
    I never liked the concept of packaged options. In many cases, you will be paying for stuff you don't need.
    Hard to believe one can't order the sport package and power lift gate separately.

    Since I have to wait a year and a half anyway, with the great deal I should be able to negotiate at that time (3k-5k off MSRP), the cost of the technology/sport package will sort of pay for itself compared to what these folks here will be paying this month.
  • Oops, my bad. Those are the 7's on the lot. Regardless, Mazda has nothing on Acura that I could see.
  • nxs138nxs138 Posts: 481
    Yeah, the RDX/MDX combination likely has better interior quality than the Mazdas. In terms of handling, the CX-7 has been compared to the Mazda RX-8, so it might be a worthy competitor to the RDX (and it costs almost 10 grand less when you start loading them up), and the tech packages on both the CX-7 and RDX are somewhat equivalent. People believe some of this handling and the technology from the CX-7 will carry through to the CX-9, so although Mazda isn't directly going after the Euro-SUV class and the luxo-japanese SUVs, it might get a second look from folks who want a little more excitement from a SUV.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    Cx-9 not out yet. you probably saw cx-7.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    A stripped model wold be nice- but then again thats not luxury class.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    The MDX is on Acura's website, acura.com you know. Its under future vehicles with the TL-s.
    The MDX's base price is $40k.



    4dr SUV AWD Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
    $39,995

    4dr SUV AWD w/Technology Package Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
    $43,495

    4dr SUV AWD w/Sport Package Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
    $45,595

    4dr SUV AWD w/Technology, Entertainment Package Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
    $45,695

    4dr SUV AWD w/Sport, Entertainment Package Automatic AWD 3.7L 6cyl
    $47,795

    Its expensive but it looks GREAT! Hope this helps!

    -Cj :)
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    Actually it is! The base aka "plain jane" model is well equipped!

    Here is a link comparing all 5 MDX trim levels. Be sure to click the different tabs. The "Print Summary" tab just displays everything from the other tabs.

    -Cj :)
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