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2004 Ford F-150

ddent01ddent01 Posts: 19
edited March 23 in Ford
Hi, I've been looking for the 2004 F150 discussion board but cannot seem to find it. When I click the consumer discussion board link in the 04 F150 truck info page it links to 2003 Chevy Silverado. Can you please investigate? Thanks,
David
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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,907
    Welcome to Town Hall! We have an archived (read only) discussion for this vehicle, and you can e-mail the pickups board host at pf_flyer@edmunds.com and ask that it be reactivated or we can leave this topic up that you've created and see if it generates some discussion!

    Meanwhile, I'll investigate the bad link.

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  • crosley4crosley4 Posts: 295
    You might investigate some of the F-150 sites around the web. There is some discussion, but not really lots of information yet.

    I did read that there was a large media test drive of new Ford F-150's recently in Arizona at the Ford proving grounds. There were trucks from the other manufacturers to compare the Ford with.

    As I understand it the media cannot release any information till July 1 2003 on their impressions of the test drives.

    I remember reading that a reporter/test driver was there from Edmunds.com
  • brianbmbrianbm Posts: 55
    is hard to come by. Could be worse - the blackout on the Dakota and Durango is complete, no information to be had that's worth having.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    On Tuesday June 10th, the first F-150 was driven off by Bill Ford at the Norfolk Assembly plant. The Norfolk plant was chosen to start up production first, because it has received JDPowers award for top new-truck quality. The other factories will be phased in the new truck production as capacity ramps up.

     The first new pickup which was a red F150 SuperCab Lariat, also contained the 100,000,000th V-8 engine in Ford's history. The 5.4L 3V Triton engine was built at the Essex Engine Plant in Windsor.
  • deminindeminin Posts: 214
    Ford will install a new option for 2004 on all its trucks. They will all have a heated tailgate so that the owner has a nice warm spot to sit while waiting for the tow truck.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Pricing has just been released, following link shows the options/trim levels, etc.
    Source: Ford Media.

    http://media.ford.com/products/press_article_display.cfm?article_- id=15804&vehicle_id=857&make_id=92
  • nofeernofeer Posts: 381
    I thought the new o4 150 would have the new diesel 6.0 option? or is this late availablity?
    what can you get with this diesel???? i here the new 6.0 rocks and is better than the 7.2
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    That's 7.3L, that engine is being replaced with a 6.0L, although because of supplier problems (Navistar) the first applications of that engine haven't been too reliable. The new one's being produced have shown better results.

    The 6.0L is only available on the heavy duty F-series trucks. No word yet on having such an engine on the F-150, originally an aborted 4.5L version of that engine, was to make the F-150, but because of emmissions phase-in, it was aborted. Therefore do not expect the 6.0L on the F-150 anytime soon.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I would think there would be a great market for a Diesel F-150, Expedition & even Navigator? Evidently Ford doesn't think so?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Ford has recently formed a "Diesel" team, to study the feasability of such engines on certain vehicles. Ford's new 2.7L V-6 over in Europe is quite capable of being planted in numerous sedan's in N.A., and from that engine, a larger displacement engine could also be used for heftier vehicles.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Now, we're talking. Thanks.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Here is a link to the owner's manual for the upcoming F-150. This shows the possible options, toys, gadgets, accesories, instrument panel layout, stereo layout, etc. It's a large .PDF format file.

    https://web.msslib2.dealerconnection.com/RightSite/getcontent/myf- ile.pdf?DMW_OBJECTID=09000c58803913ac
  • brianbmbrianbm Posts: 55
    I wouldn't expect any diesel for the F-150 too soon.
    Ford has one new gas engine and one new diesel, the 6.0L, to finish debugging - and that inevitably takes a couple of years. There's supposed to be a V-6 gas engine in the works for the F-150, presumably a truncated version of the 3-valve gas engine (which is getting very good reviews). That's a lot of money and engineer time tied up right there. How many can you do at once?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    There's a question over in Bye-Bye-Bird that you may be able to help with, if you don't mind, about the "official" discontinuation of the Thunderbird...

    moj1 "Bye, Bye Bird?" Aug 2, 2003 10:05pm
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The 6.0L bugs are supplier related, Navistar. This year, some of the components of the 6.0L have been altered, for improvement.

    The V-6 engine the F-150 might receive, is from the enlarged Duratec engine family 3.0L to a bored out 3.5L V-6, and will feature Dual Overhead Cams, as well as Variable Valve Timing. The 3Valve engines are only for the Triton V8/V10. So far the next engine to receive the 3Valve treatment will be the 4.6L V8. This will allow it to attain higher Horsepower levels, so the 3.5L V6 can be introduced (which will have almost, if not better HP than the current 4.6L).
  • brianbmbrianbm Posts: 55
    That v-6 is probably the engine I'd want, since I won't be towing or carrying genuinely hefty loads.
    Pity, it's another year away, and then two years for complete debugging. I don't know if my 1993 Explorer will go that long, but it might; v-6 seems sound at 160K, no body rust worth mentioning. On the other hand, we're reading a lot about how much stiffer the 150 frame has become. Perhaps it WOULD accomodate a diesel, though I haven't read that one if in the works, or even in the plans, at this time.... If a V-6, then an inline 6 would probably fit, and deliver better torque at ordinary speeds. Has Ford had an I-6 in production within the past 10-15 years?
  • brianbmbrianbm Posts: 55
    If Ford is correct that the 3-valve arrangement produces almost as much improvement over 2 as does a 4 valve engine, but with a notable reduction in complexity, then Ford's put one up over Toyota. Hope it's so, since I believe all of the bigger JApanese engines are 4-valve, and Ford will need every price advantage it can find.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Personally, I think getting the 6 is a mistake. I don't think you'll save much gas, and it will be pretty gutless. Actually, I think the 4.6L may be a little light on HP.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Brian,
        Actually Ford's Triton 4.6L, 5.4L have one upped every other mainstream manufacturer's V8's (I'm mentioning mainstream since I will not compare the techonology of a Mercedes Benz S600 Super luzury sedan, to something that's on a mainstream product like the F-150 and such).
        Remember, Toyota doesn't have much of a history with V8 engines. It's not till the introduction of the Ls400 in 90's, that they needed to jump on the wagon. And from that, their advancements led to the 4.7L V8. All those years, the hefty Land Cruiser had to do it's work with a 6 cylinders.
        Fords V-8 have received for 5 out of 6 years, Wards Automotive (Best 10 Engines) awards, and the new improvements to the 5.4L will surely make it into this years 10 Best again. Why? (As they and others state) is the ability to produce good power, at low RPM. For years (mainly 90's) OHC and DOHC engines were critisized because their power was achieved mainly by smashing the throttle, and making the tach needle jump high to extract power. But as techonology progressed (and Fords) they were able to prove, this wasn't the case.
        Previous argument (At least GM's was) well our engines make more torque... But what good might it be if you must hit 4200-4500 RPM to extra it. For trucks, you need the power download. And Ford V8's have usually made 80% of their torque from 1200-1800 RPM's.
        The VCT system on the 5.4L allows it to extract extra power, along a broader band, not to mention it's flexible as well, and will be used in 4V variety, as well as supercharged, in case of the lightning. During this time, we have Toyota's 4.7L which is good, but it's nothing orgasmic considering Ford can extra the same, if not extra power from their 2V 4.6L at that. (Which will receive the 3V treatment as well after the 5.4, so will the 6.8L V-10).
       As for the 3.5L, it's an enlarged version of the 3.0L Duratec. And just like the 2.5L, grew into the 3.0L, they weren't prone to have any bugs upon their introduction. It's actually quite a good engine overall, and quite reliable overall. So the 3.5L shouldn't have any bugs once it's introduced. I'm more concerned about the 100,000 other problems a vehicle can have, than the engine itself which might be just constitute 5% of the overall potential of problems.
        Ford does have a current I-6, but it's not really Fords... it's the 2.9L I-6 in the. Ford did have plans for an Inline 5 cylinder engine, stemming and possible I-6 stemming from the 2.3L I-4, now in the Mazda6, and Focus. It was a 2.8L and 3.XL, But that has changed. Ford will Focus on just 3-4 engine families.
         I-6 have a practical purpose, if it depends on packaging, and in some ways is efficient, and wear much less than typical V engines, but now a days, with all the techonology overkill in vehicles nowadays, such issues aren't much of a concern.
  • brianbmbrianbm Posts: 55
    Well, the local dealer expects to have new F 150s on the showroom floor at the end of the month. I'll be there to see them, and check out the rear seat space on the extended cab. If it's adequate for people bigger then your average 8 year old, then I need not spend the price premium for a gen-u-wine crew cab.
    A year to allow for necessary customer debugging, and then I'll take a harder look.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well, I have to chime in and agree with ANT, from experience. The Ford V-8 family of engines is just awesome IMHO. Great durability, great performance all across the band, and great efficiency too. Smooth, quiet, powerful and reliable, and every bit as good as the Japanese V-8s out there.
  • lennxlennx Posts: 73
    I was wondering why there wasn't talk about the 2004 F-150 in the pickup group. Since the the 2004 F-150 is on sale now, should this discussion be listed under pickups also?

    I also read at the blue oval news group that there has been some type of frame problem that stoppped production. Any others hear this??
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    On the BON site, could you tell me under which heading that article is listed under?
  • ANT-

    I've seen that too. It's mentioned in the forums, and on some other Ford-related sites as well. One person had pics of a HUGE field FULL of new F150s which were allegedly being held for repairs.

    -Andrew L
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Ok, it hit me then. I was making sure it was "FRAME FRAME", and NOT the seat frame from the Expy/Navi that just recently was uncomvered.
  • lennxlennx Posts: 73
    It was in the blue oval news forum - F150.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Yes, got it. I had to go back in my memory book. It's been "one of those weeks"....
  • brianbmbrianbm Posts: 55
    Ant, correct me if I'm wrong...but Honda was doing 3-valve engines in much, much smaller engines a few years ago. This is the first use of such a design in a truck engine, is it not? ... and is there an official time frame for the redesign of the V-10 as a 3 valve engine? I don't know how old that one is.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I'm not that familiar with Honda engineering/engines, etc. If it's pre-90, my knowledge to their vehicles is limited.

    MercedesBenz does use 3V's which they use on their 3.2L OHC V6. Although they kept the output pretty much the same, over the previous 3.2L unit, torque output was increased through-out the whole RPM range. Something Variable Valve Timing can do now, much more efficiently. Ford has gone the extra step, and done both of the above mentioned, which is why we are seeing higher overall HP and TQ, in it's similar displacement.

    On the opposite extreme, VW/Audi's have 5V's in their 1.8L engines. With the above mentioned engines, Ford succeeds in that it qill require regular grade fuel, whereas VW's/MB require premium.

    Next possible question: If Ford used premium fuel VERSION on their new 3V 5.4L's, would they make more power overall? Yes certainly, BUT ONLY if SUCH a version were to be made, and compression would be altered to benefit from premium fuel, where gains in HP and TQ would be attained. (look for 4V to keep using Premium)
  • brianbmbrianbm Posts: 55
    Ant, your auto brain is eminently worth pickin'. Thank you. Looking forward to seeing the new truck.
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