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Chevy Uplander/Pontiac Montana SV6/Saturn Relay/Buick Terraza

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  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    "From the several articles I have read"

    I'm not sure where you get your "information" from but G6 sales have steadily climbed every month since introduction. Last month over 9000+ units (official sales data) sold and the 4 cyl base model, GTP, coupe and coconvertible aren't even out yet!

    Vans sold a combined 12500+ this May about the same a year ago. Sales are down over all so no big gains.

    Like I have said many times before your Sienna is wonderful (I know that's what you want to hear) but it costs more money and doesn't offer many things the GM vans do and has no short version either. Not everyone can afford a Sienna and not everyone wants one.

    In fact.. Funny story for u. Our friends have a Sienna and were over on the weekend. The wife was holding the door open when putting her daughter in. I asked if the door was broken and she said, no... not according to the dealership. They say it's suppose to not hold open when the window is down? How dumb is that? She is not impressed and told me she has told the dealer to fix it to stay. They told her they would get back to her.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    1. SUV look
    2. Remote start / MP3 (I love these 2)
    3. Well appointed interior
    4. Ride quality
    5. Price and value

    The Uplander has a lot to offer for the buck, more than meets the eye. It's easy to say buy a Toyota I suppose but Chevy has a very decent van and should not be over looked.
  • irgirg Posts: 197
    Personally, I don't think any van should necessarily be overlooked when one is comparison shopping. I have always advised people, friends, co-workers, etc. that at the very least consider 2-3 different brands and give them all a test drive. Certain things will definitely appeal to different people for different reasons. You like the SUV look, and the remote start option that are unique to GM. I didn't care about those things, but obviously some people will and do. If someone was exclusively looking at Toyota, I would still suggest they look at the Honda and probably the DC vans too, just for comparison sake. And every region/dealer seems to offer different incentives/deals that can easily make one van much more affordable than the other, and price for many of us does play an important role.
  • irgirg Posts: 197
    Well, here is some more cheery news from GM: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?siteid=mktw&guid=%7B84EA9EEA-1091-- 48ED-8BEA-EE8A5060EC0D%7D&

    I tried to find the articles I have read about the G6, not that it matters anymore. I usually find them in the business section at msnbc.com or cnn or drudgereport. That was back in March or April I believe. Yes, each month they have sold more, setting all time records for the G6, which is basically a laugh because it is a brand new vehicle. Not much to compare it to. I would hope it sets new records each month. But it hasn't outsold the grand am, which is weird, because the GA wasn't a great car, but it did sell well for GM, and G6 was supposed to supplant it in overall sales. Just hasn't happened yet, maybe it will, especially with more incentives slapped on. I would like to see a G6 wagon. The couple looks sporty, but is anyone buying coupes anymore? Ford never bothered with the Taurus or the 500, Accord and Camry coupes are niche vehicles too. The G6 needs more power in its v6 to compete. 200 hp just isn't very impressive. You think the 4 cyl model will bring in many more buyers? I wouldn't hold my breath. GM thought it was clever offering the sunroof that folds open all the way. I haven't seen one in person, (I seldom see any G6d) and it isn't a cheap option, and anyone shopping a "value" type car usually don't pack on the options like they would maybe a Mercedes. So the one thing that sets the G6 apart, no one is getting hardly. Guess this has nothing to do with Vans though.

    There was another good article I read yesterday - and I can't find it at the moment (I really need to start bookmarking these things for you) that featured an economist and professor at the U of Maryland, that was talking about GM's woes (legacy stuff, union contracts, etc.) which he claims if they don't get resolved in the near future, GM will be out of business in 3-4 years. For me that is hard to believe, but everything is pointing to a not so rosy future for GM. And Ford is close behind. DC on the other hand seems to be doing some good things lately. This is not all the fault of bad product, some of it is, but a lot of it has to do with GM management of the company, which IMO has never been very good. It always seems to be a band aid approach on how to fix things there.

    When GM tries, things like Cadillac result. New product, RWD cars that can compete with BMW, etc. and they have had their best sales quarter in over 12 years. But GM built their future on trucks and SUVs, and they aren't selling as well as they used to. Toyota has a lot of trucks and SUVs too, but they didn't build their foundation on it. The Uplander is a band aid approach. They took an 8 year old design, redesigned the front, updated the interior, but the added weight with an underpowered 3.5 has actually made this van slower. This is how GM should not do things. And sales prove this.

    I think the Sienna is a fine van, not that I need anyone's validation on it. It is still a van, and not a Porsche, and not that I get to drive it very often anyway. True, it has no short version (no short GM version in the US yet either) and I wouldn't want one anyway. It doesn't cost more, even though you might think it does (true, a loaded XLE will cost more than a base Uplander, but an Uplander LS or LT can cost very close to similar Toyota models - I spec'd them all out this year), and it offers most of the same features GM vans do, and a whole lot more to boot. If you want to compare feature to feature, let me know. No, not everyone can afford a Sienna, nor can everone afford the Uplander either, and I wouldn't believe for a second everyone wants one. What a boring world that would be (but a reliable one).
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    The Grand Am had a coupe, a 4 cyl base model which made up the bulk of sales (just as most Camry sales are base 4 cly models) and a Ram Air performance model. The line of G6s is not all out yet so your comparisons to the Grand Am sales are not valid. I think vanman pointed that out.

    The GM vans have a 240HP 3.9 engine option coming this summer. Personally I will take the lower horsepower for better mileage. I am not racing people with my van. All vans had around 200hp a few years ago and some how people lived through it.

    They are selling base RWB Uplanders for $20,000 CDN. Cheapest Sienna is about $30,000 CDN. My well equipped LS MSRP'd for under thirty. The Sienna is more money and they don't offer the lower rates GM does either. Sienna is more money no matter how you slice it.

    I doubt your Sienna will be any more reliable than my Uplander either.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Lets next time release only the next generation Camry as a V6, not release the coupe (Solara) and see if it it sells as well as the previous generation models. Hummm? Wonder if that will happen?
  • genmtrfangenmtrfan Posts: 78
    I think another point worth making relates to the GM credit card and some of the unbelievable cash you can earn. A week ago today, we bought an Uplander LT that listed for $30,500, we paid 23,700 plus tax, title, license, and processing fee. How, you ask? 30,500-2,000 dealer negotiation-2,000 bonus cash-2,800 GM credit card cash. I actually had only earned 1,800, but when I got to the dealer they told me I had an additional 1,000. I later found out that GM is currently adding an extra 1,000 for GM card holders purchasing Uplanders. I'm not sure that the Sienna or Odyssey could touch this deal, although I'll admit that I didn't research the Sienna or the Odyssey

    Our neighbors, who just bought a new Caravan, are very impressed (if not a little jealous of the SUV look). Some other friends with a Windstar say that their next van will be an Uplander after seeing ours.
    I realize that GM didn't build this vehicle new from the ground up and I'll admit that it bothers me a little that the rear hatch and a few other parts are re-cladded venture parts. However, once you sit inside the van it feels, drives, and sounds different from the Venture. After one week of service, I still haven't heard a rattle or squeak. How refreshing. I hope the 3.5 will be an improvement over the 3.4 in terms of reliability. The last thing I want to see on this forum is the intake issue re surfacing.
  • nojetsnojets Posts: 31
    Not that I'm in the market for an Uplander, but after seeing one or two of them on the road, I felt compelled to come over to this forum to remark on their unspeakable ugliness. I guess they didn't fire the guy that penned the Aztec. What where they thinking at GM? Why didn't someone at GM take one look at the clay mockup and say "Over my dead body?"
    It looks like some kind of frankenvehicle...
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Even our 04 Montana has an incredibly smooth ride, I can only imagine it being better with the Uplander. We got an additional $2000 with our GM card also. No such thing as a Toyota card. The Beauty of the GM cars is, it doesn't cost a dime to use and allows you to save substantial amount for a new car/truck.
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    I genuenely hope GM (and Ford) will do well and one day rule the world. But GM's vans are just not very compelling at this moment. We looked at the Uplander first, we even started using the GM card a long time before that to accumulate credit. But when I sat down and seriously priced the vans, the Uplander was simply too expensive. Actually, I just did it again for the sake of argument. A LS Uplander with the easy order package (one power door) sells for $23,807 on carsdirect.com. The Quest we just purchased cost $21,700 (with one power door,side curtain bags and rear parking sonar). An SXT Grand Caravan costs $22-23K (stow-n-go, two power doors, no side airbags). We simply couldn't see ourselves spend that much more on an Uplander when it's smaller, less versatile, and has no side airbags.

    Of course, people appreciate different things in their vans and we all should buy according to our needs. Personally speaking, the Uplander unfortunately doesn't have one single attribute that's attractive to us. :(
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Different strokes for different strokes. Mechanically the Quest my be fine but aesthetically to me, it's very unattractive and it's dash is a mess. Typical Nissan these days because they used to have some nice looking cars. I love the old Maximas.
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    Definitely, everyone has got his own cup of tea :) I didn't mean to trash the Uplander. Let's all enjoy our vans.
  • dirkworkdirkwork Posts: 210
    Nissan uses the VQ motor in the van, do they not? I have one in my 2000 maxima SE, and its revving motor with not much low torque. Smooth and good HP, but not much torque below 3000. Nissan makes a good reliable vehicle for the most part (remember the vans that burned up?), so enjoy. It probably runs circles around the 3.4-3.5 on the highway, even if it lags off the stoplight.

    I'm amazed at the deals available now, it must killing used prices. I saw a Vue advertised for about $15,000, and as reported here you can get a $30k + GM van for low 20's if you go through the hoops.

    If I wasn't so cheap, I might actually buy a new van with these deals!

    S
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    A used one might actually cost more than a new one, as in my case. The dealer had a base used 05 Quest with below 20 K miles, and he wanted more for that van than the new one he had :confuse: I thought I should be able to find a "new" used one for considerable less mone, but the dealers wouldn't budge on those.
  • dirkworkdirkwork Posts: 210
    Yea, the Honda folks are also proud of their used vans, even private owners want nearly what a new one costs. Depending on your point of view, it could be good/bad deal. Personally, if I can spend a little more and get one brand new with a full warrenty, its a no brainer. I am currently driving a '98 Olds that I got for $11k loaded with all options, the domestic steep depreciation curve worked well for me.

    The new vans - competition is stiff - but I would consider the ones with the new motor if it drives doesn't suck a lot of gas. I can barely get going with Houston traffic, so really the motor shouldn't be an issue with me, the 3.4 can go 90 all day long on the highway (well, not in mountains), faster than the law allows...so it fills the bill.

    Let us know how the Nissan holds up vs the GM vans.

    DD
  • tamu2002tamu2002 Posts: 758
    Are you from Houston? We were in Texas for 5 years...well you can probably tell by my screen name :) Is the speed limit still 55 mph? They lowed it a few years ago to fight smog ( :confuse: ), and many folks didn't like it. As I remember Houston's traffic is not that bad, well compared to here in Seattle anyway. Yeah, I'll definitely give periodic updates on our Quest.
  • Claire@EdmundsClaire@Edmunds Chicago areaPosts: 968
    Folks, this discussion is all over the map. Please stick to discussing the vehicles in the title here -- the Uplander, Montana SV6, Relay, and Terrazza. If you'd like to discuss the fate of Ford & GM, try the News & Views Forum. If you'd like to talk about another vehicle, post in the Forum dedicated to that vehicle.

    ClaireS, Host
    Coupes & Convertibles | Vans & Minivans

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  • dirkworkdirkwork Posts: 210
    I really like those new GM vans. Yep, the GM Vans would be my choice of van. I cannot decide between the UPLANDER, the SV6, RELAY or TERRAZZA. I am not even going to bother comparing them to any other van, the GM van is the best. Lets not even name the competition, who cares about them?

    Lets hear more stories of those who got a good deal recently on their GM vans.
    GM vans forever!

    Dirk
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    If I was buying today I would go Uplander. I like the Chevy look the best, it's interior is not substantially different to the Terrazza in LS form and it will save you $$. Buick needs to do more to give people a reason to pay the extra $$. I know it has a better suspension and a few extras, but a premium engine still needs to be added in my opinion.
  • genmtrfangenmtrfan Posts: 78
    Having just bought a new Uplander, of course I agree. The next best looking is the Saturn, although I don't like the plastic body cladding around the bottom. Otherwise, I would have considered one. In my view the Buick is next in line, followed by the Pontiac. Definitely, the Chevy front looks the toughest.

    Our first week around town the Uplander got 20 mpg. About what we expected. Should do 24 on a trip. We love it. I have an appointment scheduled Monday to get the generator replaced. I'm still not sure it needs it, but I want to be covered just in case. I'm planning to ask the service mgr. for a copy of the TSB to see the production periods involved.

    Vanman, I've seen your postings in other GM forums, do you drive an Uplander?
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