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Chevy Uplander/Pontiac Montana SV6/Saturn Relay/Buick Terraza



  • Nice to see someone take a non biased view when you look at the facts. The largest car maker in the world can do better then this! It's a shame when you see some of the GM divisions in Europe which have great cars and we get handed this. I'm only looking at getting an Equinox next year because I'm sitting on $3,500 dollars of GM card points. At least there's an example of a good Saturn platform being turned into a hot looking mini-SUV that I think will outsell the new/old vans (as long as we don't count fleet sales).
    Of course Chevy always gets the crappy version of an engine compared to other models.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Tell you what, I attended a Malibu intro event and a few things about that car impressed me, but even that car (from a profile) looks far too much like its predecessor. Which is silly, because it's based on a completely different platform, shared with the Saab 9-3.

    Why keep old styling cues? They don't look new, the vans or the 'bu. Except the nose jobs.

    I did like the 'bu's V6 engine. Pushrod or no, it's torquey and fuel efficiency beats Honda's and Toyota's V6s.

    GM should have built on that. Use a similarly torquey/efficient powertrain, but go with a clean sheet design for the vans.

  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    Here's a bit more info....some of it pertains to Canadian versions but there are a few interior shots.,view.- spy?cmd=view&artid=19199&pg=1
    Apparently we WILL be getting 2 regular wheelbase versions (Pontiac & Chevy) which may look a little more SUV like (however the C pillar will be hidden, just like on the current Montana/Venture)
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    joey : No doubt the Equinox is clearly done by the A designers and the vans are done by the C designers. The only hope here is that the interiors are good and the Chevy and Pontiac versions are a bit different. I was definitely expecting something more like the Rendezvous for at least one of these vehicles.

    ateixeira : If that's so, sales of the Element are obviously in California or something as I rarely ever see one on the road and it's been on the market for many months now. Source of your info?
  • Only GM could introduce "new' minivans without fold flat rear seats. Surprisingly this regurgitated Venture/Montana will have a sales increase. However the vast majority will be from GM employees and family members who have hung on to their old vans and now will reluctantly use their discount to buy a new one. This will provide a bump in sales but only for a year or so. If you were to remove the GM discount purchases and fleet sales, you would find the current and future sales to discerning customers would be a pathetically low number. Saturn will also help, as Saturn geeks now only have the equally pathetic Ion, soon to be discontinued L-300 and the VUE to choose from. Given that choice, the Relay might actually seem like a relief.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Front looks like the Volvo XC90 and Honda Pilot. Side looks like my friend's '98 Venture, exactly.

    dindak: several sources, mainly Automotive News. I shared the info about the best selling new import nameplate in the Element threads about a month ago, and referred to the article. Another source said its demographics were among the youngest in the entire industry (I don't recall exactly the rank - 14th?). Sales are easy to look up, it's better than 50k per year, above Honda's original forecasts.

  • "Well, you can call Saturn Oldsmobile now. What a poor excuse for a car line to start sharing with the rest of GM."

    Satunr has lost money since 1991, how the heck can they justify the old way of doing business? They simply cannot afford to be a totally unique car company.

    Besides, the old SL looked like Olds's since day one, so what's the beef?
  • the engineers worked on making these mini's more quiet inside, that would be a selling point. Honda Ody is so loud on the highways you have to turn up the radio or yell to the back seat passengers.

    Could be interesting!
  • There all over NY now, I didn't see any for most of the model year. Calif. probably got all the first ones. Don't like it, fine, but Honda found plenty to make it a hit. I would have been happier if GM just brought the van out without all the fan fair. I'd then say that at least they tried to dress up a car line that has little future growth. Buick probably needed a lux mini-van, but do we need 4 versions of the same car? I thought GM killed that thinking off in the 90's. I hope the Sabb 9-7 won't be another Envoy with a Saab grill slapped on the front. The GTO, Vue/Equinox, Saab 9-3/Ion are better approaches to reuse of a platform.
  • wsag26wsag26 Posts: 124
    I will quit being a GM fan. The vehicle is ugly. It looks like an idiot. I don't know how to explain the vehicle, but it sure isn't nice and cute... Obviously, the 2005 Pontiac Montana SV6/Chevrolet Uplander will not look similar or they would've revealed them same place same time.... Of course, the interior looks pretty nice and some of the features compare to competitors very nicely, but the outside has got me fooled. This car won't sell if it looks like an idiot. Maybe it is just me, because some of the reviews I've read about it say that it looks good... Well I've got something to say to GM... You've got me out of your company if you continue to do this.. If the 2005 Rendevous/Azteck look like this, I'll dish GM.. and yep, I mean it...
  • I was flipping back and forth between interior shots of the Terraza and the Mercury Monterey. I'm not sure there is a significant difference between the interior appointments of these two. This leads me to believe, with the limited information I have, that the Mercury, overall, is a better, more versitile and attractive vehicle.

    Come on GM, you can do much better than this.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    The interior looks nicer than the old models.. Other than that, ZZZZZZZzzzz.

    Yeah I'd mistake one of these for anything other than a minivan! LOL. I'd hate to pay $30K usd for a Buick van that can hardly get out of its own way.

    I suppose people who will take GM over other makes just because they want to support GM or cannot afford better vans will buy these.
  • tsxtsx Posts: 32
    I think engineers teamed between the two companies to create new interiors for the vans. I mean they combine everything from the Freestar to the F-150 and there you have it a Buick Minivan.

    GM really needs Flat Floor Seat with 60/40 split and 50/50 cuz that doesn't make any sense. (how many ppl can sit on half a seat?) Plus biggest concern was more POWER. atleast Ford is ahead of the competition with Torque. What do we get: A Brand New Redesigned, Enhanced, Quality Rich underpowered vans.?!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    is ahead of the competition in torque, but that doesnt translate into anything, because the Monterey/Freestar are behind the class leaders in most, if not all, accelerative measures. Maybe they are better in towing, but certainly not MPG.
    Maybe GM is hoping these new quadruplets are the MPG kings of the minivan world, given how frugal the 3500 is in the Malibu?

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Took a second look at the pictures and finally saw the videos. The vans look a bit better to me now but I think GM could have done better. Wait and see what the Chev and Pontiac versions look like I guess.

    Interior of the Buick looks great though, very upscale for the van segment. Some people seem to have been expecting an SUV crossover miracle and that didn't materialize. For what they are (VANS), they aren't bad and no worse than anything else. 3.5L should provide good mileage and better pep. New interiors are much better.

    SUV owners won't likely be converted.. but who knows.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Well the Element must sell well somewhere thought it ain't around here. If I see one in a week, that's a lot. When I do see one, it's usually an older person driving. Kids aren't biting into the Honda hype.
  • oh dear! it looks like the new GM minivans will have NOTHING to distinguish themselves from the new minivans. no nice V6, just chrome everywhere! lol...not that great
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I just watched the interior video- the Terrazas interior, at least... looks MUCH better than the two-tier look and blatantly fake wood trim in the upper Freestar trim lines.

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
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