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Chevy Uplander/Pontiac Montana SV6/Saturn Relay/Buick Terraza

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  • pjinypjiny Posts: 1
    Lights - Check your alternator. I bought a 2005 in Jan 2006 and when I picked it up they told me about a recall on the alternator for flickering lights. A voltage problem. They replaced it free.
  • dannodanno Posts: 114
    I agree. Get the 3.9 and buy 4 steel wheels and 4 winters to match. Blizzak WS-50 is a great place to start. I have a 2005 Uplander LS with the 4 steels and Dunlop winters. The winter tires give you more over all safety help(steering, braking)than does AWD and All season tires. I have a 2002 Ford Escape with AWD with 4 winters. That thing is amazing in the snow but now I am starting to stray off thread.

    4 steels and 4 winters - you won't regret it.
  • I agree. Get the 3.9 and buy 4 steel wheels and 4 winters to match. Blizzak WS-50 is a great place to start.

    4 steels and 4 winters - you won't regret it.

    +1 :)
  • Just a bit of INFO on these vans....I have posted here before so now I will update my situation. We bought our 05 SV6 in August of last year...we went through a buyback and on March 13th we took posession of another new 05 SV6(even though that is not what I would have preferred, we were hoping that it was just a fluke). On March 21st our van was back in the shop with door and tire problems and it is STILL in the shop. This is NOT a coincidence. These vans are NOT quality vehicles. Anyone have any comments for me or blessingsx4 now?
  • I also forgot to add that the mouldings had to be replaced before I even got the van....It is only a matter of time before GM will have to buy this one back as well....AND THEN I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER GM VEHICLE AS LONG AS I LIVE!!!
  • jerrywimerjerrywimer Posts: 588
    It's just terrible that you have such bad luck. Thank goodness the rest of us have managed to buy the solitary examples of reliable, relatively trouble free, well built GM minivans. I will be dropping by my dealership tomorrow to discuss another vehicle that I plan to order, and while there I am going to make sure to thank them for their obvious effort in steering me to the single van out of the many they've sold that doesn't have serious quality and safety problems.

    Thank you both for opening the eyes of the rest of us on the internet. Please go forth and spread the word at other sites. Those of us on Edmunds are all blessed by the enlightenment you've given us, so you don't need to waste further time on us. Please, feel free to share the wealth with the rest of the world now.
  • And I wish you the BEST of luck with the new "high quality" vehicle I am sure that you will get.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Well, here's all the changes for the 2007 vans. Notable headlines, I guess, are them FINALLY dropping the 3.5L, so now the 3.9L will be standard on every one. But, at the same time, AWD also now disappears. Also sounds like the Terraza is losing its independent rear suspension, but I can't be sure, at least from the way it's worded.

    These vans are slowly on their way "out the pasture" anyway, so it's all just some relatively minor stuff to make the end of their life a little sweeter.

    2007 Chevrolet Uplander
    Deletions:
    (15U) Sandstone Metallic exterior color
    (38U) Emerald Jewel Metallic exterior color
    (53U) Amber Bronze Metallic exterior color
    CX12216 All-Wheel Drive model
    (T56) Rear spoiler
    (LX9) 3.5L 3500 V6 SFI engine
    New Features:
    (14U) Light Amethyst Metallic exterior color
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    (35U) Polar Blue Metallic exterior color
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    (51U) Gold Mist Metallic exterior color
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    (81U) Medium Brown Metallic exterior color - not available at start of production
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    (P04) 17" aluminum wheels
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    (P23) 17" 5-spoke, Bright Chrome clad aluminum wheels
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    Dual-zone manual air conditioning on 2LT and 3LT models
    Deluxe floor mats on 2LT and 3LT models
    (LGD) 3.9L 3900 V6 SFI FlexFuel engine, capable of running on unleaded or up to 85% ethanol - interim availability
    Changes:
    (LZ9) 3.9L 3900 V6 SFI engine is now standard on all models
    DVD removed from LS models, remains only on LT models

    2007 Buick Terraza
    Deletions:
    All-Wheel Drive model 4X12216
    (LX9) Engine, 3.5L 3500 V6 SFI
    (FE4) Suspension, 4-wheel independent, Sport
    (FE5) Suspension, 4-wheel independent
    Exterior Color (15U) Cashmere Metallic
    Exterior Color (38U) Emerald Green Metallic
    Exterior Color (53U) Sandstone Metallic
    (N85) Wheels, 17" 10-spoke aluminum
    New Features:
    Exterior Color (14U) Light Quartz Metallic
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    Exterior Color (35U) Polar Blue Metallic
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    Exterior Color (51U) Gold Mist Metallic
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    Introduction of new CX base contented vehicle (1SA)
    (FE3) Suspension, Ride and Handling, includes (G67) automatic level control on 1SB and 1SD
    (FE1) Suspension, Ride and Handling.
    (UE1) OnStar with Directions and Connections plan including Turn-By-Turn navigation
    (N85) Wheels, 17" (43.2 cm) 8-spoke aluminum
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    Changes:
    (LZ9) 3.9L 3900 V6 SFI engine is now the standard engine
    CX 1SB trim level is now referred to as CX Plus
    (VEH) Regular Production Accessory, overhead storage consoles are no longer an RPA, now factory installed
    Overhead bins inserts for first aid kit, CD/DVD storage and sunglasses holder are now only available through GM Accessories
    (15U) Sandstone Metallic exterior color
    (38U) Emerald Jewel Metallic exterior color
    (53U) Amber Bronze Metallic exterior color
    CX12216 All-Wheel Drive model
    (T56) Rear spoiler
    (LX9) 3.5L 3500 V6 SFI engine
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    After the new price increase for the SV6, it has officially been taken out of the running for the Escape's replacement. GM increased the base price to $29,955.00 for the SV6. With our current budget, we are NOT going to spend more than $28k for a vehicle. It was nice talking with all of you and hope all works out well with any problems that arrise.

    Odie
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I wonder why they would be deleting the independent rear suspension from the Terraza.

    Also the only selling point I see in the base Uplander is the standard DVD so now I guess there will be less people buying base Uplanders.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Interesting changes. Will the 3.9L be going into the RWB models also? What kind of mileage penalty do you pay for the 3.9?

    I am surprised they are getting rid of the AWD option, I see a lot of AWD vans in the Toronto area.
  • I really am surprised about the AWD thing. It is a big selling point in minivans. With gas prices as they are, many people were willing to buy these CSV's with the all wheel drive as a substitute for the SUV. I know that was a big thing for us. Also, the DVD thing will not help. I remember the sales pitch we received while shopping for our Uplander. The very FIRST thing the sales guy mentioned was that it had a DVD even in the base model. Now what will be their big selling point? I guess I don't understand how eliminating the two features that I thought, in my humble opinion, were the best ones on the vehicle will make it any sweeter. Oh, and I am glad you are felling so blessed, Jerry. It is wonderful that we have been able to impact your life in such a positive and uplifting way. The very fact that you were so deeply moved that you took the time to post about it for all of Edmunds to see...I now know that all of the trials I went through this past year were worth it just so I could continue to bless you and others like you. What type of vehicle are you ordering now? I very sincerely wish you and all of the rest of you here on this forum the best of luck in all of your endeavors; those involving your vehicles AND in every other aspect of your lives.
  • Consumer reports gave all the GM minivans the same bad review. Bad is putting it midly. I test drove a 2006 Buick CXL 3.5L and liked it. With my GM points the dealer has come down to 24K from 32K +Tax, Title etc.(USD) for a new minvan with 900 miles on it. Just wondering if there is any real justification for the bad review and bad reliability rating. Are people generally happy with the Minivan? I find it strange that they have so many on the lot and are willing to come off 6K from the sticker plus I will get 2K in GM points off. Seems too good to be true. Should I wait for the 2007? Will they be more reliable and fix the issue that I have read with the 2006? Any usefull input would be appreciated.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I think it's just that the reliability on these have not been at Honda/Toyota levels and they lack some of the features buyers demand in the minivan market- things like a fold flat third row seat and a five speed automatic.

    If you don't mind giving up those 2 the GM vans can be a very good deal though.

    I'd say take it. There is no way you can get an Odyssey EX-L or Sienna XLE for $24K.
  • I think I will consider leasing one. That way if it is a lemon, I will not be stuck holding it past warranty. Anyone know the residual value for a 3 or 4 year lease with 12K or 15K per year?
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Leasing sounds good but I don't know how well these vans are holding their value.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    The GM minivans are not "bad" vehicles that will leave you stranded on the street. But the other manufactures (minus Ford) have really improved their minivans over the past few years. GM (and Ford) simply tried to get away with upgrading existing, mediocre vans. And they both are paying the price with low sales.

    I would test drive a few minivans and come back to the Terraza, that deal will still be there. The important thing to remember you have to buy the best vehicle that fits your family needs. Magazine reviews, online forums, etc. are nice tools but it is ultimately your decision. I cna give you my opinion but I'm not paying for your vehicle and you don't know me from Adam.

    like I mention earlier, take some more test drives, get some more quotes and then make your decision. You are asking the right questions but I think you know the answers as well.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    If you do lease, do not lease for longer than the bumper to bumper warranty.

    I believe there is a leasing forum here on Edmunds. Lots of knowledgable folks on that board.
  • If the residual value is 50% of 29,000 or 14,500 after 4 years and I got the van for 24K then I would have to pay 9500/48 + interest on 24K at 6%. I did some research and could not find the residual value though. Saw some web sites that said it is typically 58 to 50% of TMV.
  • I strongly disagree with one person's comment concerning “GM vans are not up to the level of Honda or Toyota.” I rented a 2006 Chevy Uplander LT with the 3.5L, a 2006 Toyota Sienna LE, and have carefully examined a 2006 Honda Odyssey EX. We also now own a 2006 Chevy Uplander 2LT with the 3900 engine.

    Many people make a big issue about how the Sienna and Odyssey have seats that fold into the floor. The problem is that these seats are rather uncomfortable, and have excessive spinal flexion positioning. The back seats also have minimal leg room, which did not impress our 2 middle-school aged boys. They also result in a van that sits too low to the ground, in my opinion, making the van less functional during camping trips and snowy situations. The Sienna that we drove “moaned” loudly during acceleration, had excessively sensitive steering, and had an annoying stutter at highway speeds (transmission problems? A/C compressor clutch issues?). It was a bit noisy as well…forget about hearing the people in the back seat. The conversation mirror was clever but rather cheap, and was consistent with many of the other controls and features. If you look at the open forum websites for the Toyota and Honda, these vehicles (especially Honda Odyssey) are having some less than cosmetic problems (transmission problems, among them). The GM minivans have solid power trains, and most of the 2005 problems have been corrected for the 2006 model year. After renting the Toyota Sienna, we were ready to turn it back in…no one was impressed with it.

    Although the Toyota and Sienna try to make their vehicles look more “modern,” in reality they do not have the luxurious ride or feel of the Uplander and its cousins. The stark, annoying blue night-time lighting on the Sienna instrument cluster is a good example of how Toyota is more glitter than guts. The lack of a spare tire on the Odyssey and Sienna did not make much sense to me either. We were so impressed with the Uplander that we had rented that we recently ordered/purchased one with the 3900 engine. It is very quiet, silky-smooth, and comfortable, and the 3900 has plenty of low end torque. We are getting 30 mpg on flat surfaces on the highway at 55 mph, 26 mpg at 65 mpg. This is better than the real mileage that Sienna and Odyssey are actually getting (they do not get their EPA numbers, but the GM's do). The seats in the Uplander are a cut above the rest, with captain’s chairs that provide proper spinal positioning. I have gone over the van with a fine tooth comb and have found the initial quality to be very good. It was built at the Doraville, GA plant in February. I have not found any significant flaws yet. The 3900 engine does not have the “flickering light” issue that occurred in the 2005’s with the 3.5L engine. We have not experienced any of the other problems that people have published in this forum for the 2005 model year (so far).

    One recommendation: buy the GM van with the 3900 engine, not the 3.5L engine. It makes a HUGE difference. Vans with this engine are not being discounted much and may be hard to find, so you may have to do a factory order to get it configured the way you want it. We received ours in about 4 weeks.

    I found the reviews by the mass media to be fairly worthless for my van search. Their preferences do not line up with mine. You may find the same to be true for you as well.
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