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Chevy Uplander/Pontiac Montana SV6/Saturn Relay/Buick Terraza

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  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    8-passenger seating would help. No markups- Saturn advantage over Buick and chevrolet. Probably less inventory however.
  • http://media.gm.com a Sept 8th release

    Buick Terraza
    Chevrolet Uplander
    Saturn RELAY
    Pontiac Montana SV6
  • I kind of like Relay and Terraza, but Uplander? We already have a Freelander and an Outlander. What's next, Inlander, Overlander and Wonderlander? Montana SV6 also sounds like a superficial name for a vehicle that probably shouldn't be in the lineup at all. Just give Pontiac a decent midsize crossover (even a restyled and renamed Aztek would probably do the trick) and let the other divisions have the minivan market.

    If GM can just fix the safety issues (see iihs.org) with its vans, that will be a big step forward. They are a pretty good value as is, except for that major flaw.

    -Andrew L
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    The Relay and Terraza sound fine to me, but the Uplander sounds too much like Freelander and Outlander. Next up, we'll have a Pontiac Downlander! Montana SV6 sounds hashed together in a desperate attempt to find a name.
  • The Montana SV6 name may just be a transition. The new Grand Am replacement will be called the G6, so perhaps a year later the van will be just SV6 (Sport Van 6 cylinder).

    And in the iihs funded "injury, collision, and theft losses" reports (available at their site) for 9/00, 9/01, and 9/02 have a GM van in one of the top two spots 5 out of 6 times. (9/00 Pontiac #2, 9/01 Pontiac #1-Olds #2, 9/02 Olds #1-Pontiac #2) The reports ranks them as "substantially better then average". We can only hope the new generations will feature the same real world performance.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    What we can hope for is a minivan that is as good or better than the Sienna. Now that's something!
  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    ....I agree, they're sure doing the *lander thing to death.(& don't forget the Crosslander and Highlander too!) Saturn & Pontiac versions look the best to me (Buick will probably be out of our price range). Sure would be great to have some pics.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    If the van proves to be flying off lots Sienna Style, then the Saturn will be the best deal. No markups or shady dealers. If the vans flunk, the Uplander might be the ones with the rebates and therefore the best value.
  • Does anybody know what the powertrain will be for the next generation GM minivan? I suspect, knowing GM, that they will slide the "new" 3.5 liter pushrod V6 from the Malibu into the next generation van, thus perpetuating their death grip on the past. Is there any chance the Honda 3.5 V6 could find a new home? Will it have a five speed automatic?

    Logic - nice jab at Toyota. How much would you like to bet that the current Sienna is miles ahead of whatever it is GM manages to cobble together over the next few months?
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    The High Feature 3.6 might make it into the Buick Terraza. Otherwise, expect the 3.5 Pushrod if it'll fit and if not the Saturn 3.0L tuned for more HP. If they go with the Honda engine, Honda will have to upgrade the Odyssey and Pilot engine to make sure it doesn't dilute the value of both of their crown jewels.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    They'll probably use the TL's engine in the next Odyssey. It does make 270 HP!
  • I've been waiting for any news on the next gm vans, so last week's announcement is welcome. Even if it doesn't have the sales lead, Sienna is the best van out there right now and gm needs to match or surpass it on every level. Safety has to be #1 followed by convenience features. Remote starting (ala malibu) should be avail. and they better have 8 pass. seating with a split third row seat. I can't believe that Ford and Nissan missed the boat on that.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    A ha! Where GM can get a jump over a Sienna!!!!!
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    is a feature you can buy anywhere for about a 100 bucks. Ford offers it on the Windstar, too... So GM should look for something else to be a top leader :-) LOL!

    "I can't believe that Ford and Nissan missed the boat on that..."

    My question is to Nissan only, b/c they designed a brand new van, with even more convenience and safety features than Sienna, ie. reverse mirror tilt, power adjustable pedals, second row folding seat, etc. So it's hard to understand how they missed the split rear bench. But Ford, on the other hand, are just updating the Windstar, and I'm almost sure that in the new 2006 or 2007 model minivan they will update this problem... Yeah, I know, it will be a little late by then...
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Where GM can get an advantage is offering a good quality, feature laden, reliable product at a price $2000 lower than the Sienna with out rebates. That's how you'll win import customers like me. (I'm on my 3rd Honda getting ready for a 4th)
  • JChan -

    The problem with reliability for GM is that it will take years of successful cars before we believe that GMs can match Honda and Toyota. Additionally, so long as GM still sells dogs like the Astro and Cavalier, it taints their entire product line.

    - SFD
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    are on the market.

    The Astro is so popular with small contractors - it is rwd and has tremendous tow and load capacity for its size - GM can not afford to dump it without something to take its place.

    A car based, fwd mini-van will never be able to tow 5,200 pounds like the Astro or carry as much inside either.
  • GM won't get rid of the Astro due steady demand. They have a unique product that nobody has challenged (now that the Aerostar is gone - long gone).

    What bothers me is that GM has failed to make any significant changes to this vehicle in the past ten years. They may actually be able to sell a few more of these for family applications if they would make the interior more flexible and the dash more appealing. I like the Astro, but I wish GM would make some long overdue investments.

    When will we get our first peek at the new vans - any idea?
  • First Peek? The press release the same day as the van name release was about the Grand AM replacement the G6. It said the G6 would debut at the Detroit Auto Show in January. Since the van press release didn't make any simular statements, one may assume they would not be on display at Detroit (although it makes the most sense). The next big auto show that GM uses is Chicago which I beleive is in March. SO if not Detroit, it would have to be Chicago. (I'm not ignoring LA, but since it is almost the same time as Detroit, I don't think LA would get the debut).
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    at NAIAS. More likely, the mini-van prototypes will debut at the Chicago Auto Show in February or New York in March.

    Saturn usual new product cycle is usually a few months ahead of main line GM brands. I wonder if the Relay will be available first (say around late July 04), with the other brands launching later in 04 or early 05.

    With fewer Saturn outlets, a Saturn first launch will allow the Doraville factory to ease up production. (of course doing so would also allow larger competitors to grab more sales)

    I wonder if maybe GM could use the Colorado/Canyon platform to affordably make an Astro replacement? Towing capacity would have to be increased.
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