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Subaru XT Turbo Forester

chassolchassol Posts: 95
edited March 20 in Subaru
Don't ask why cause I don't know, but the XT takes a new oil filter - "Bulletin No. PT120103
Oil Filter Please be advise that there is a new oil filter, part number 15208AA080, that applies to the 2004 MY Turbo Baja and MY Turbo Forester models. This new filter, 15208AA080, is smaller in size (68mm) than the current filter used on non-turbo models, part number 15208AA060 (80mm).

The current (larger) filter used on non-turbo models (15208AA060) should not be used on 2004 MY Turbo Baja or 2004 MY Turbo Forester.

The oil filter that should be used on 2004 MY Turbo Baja or 2004 MY Turbo Forester models is 15208AA080)."

As many times as they repeat this information I really think they mean it. My dealer ordered a case of them late last week. I was going to change oil and filter this weekend, but couldn't because I don't know the cross reference for the Fram or Purolator (checking both websites no help either).
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  • declansdaddeclansdad Posts: 118
    the oil filter from the WRX STi? Same engine; I would assume the same oil filter too. Just a thought.

    Michael
  • chassolchassol Posts: 95
    Parts manager at local Subaru dealer says this is NOT the same oil filter as that on the 2004 WRX STi - Go figure.............
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    Among the nearly sixty cars I've owned

    Wow. I bought my first car 44 years ago, and (not counting jointly-owned but mainly spouse cars) this XT is my ninth car. Four of those covered my four impetuous teen years; the other five spanned the remaining 40 years. And the lives of two of them were prematurely cut short by major rear-end collisions; otherwise, the number would be even lower.

    Owning them as long as I do, this is why it matters very much to me that a car meets my requirements as fully as possible.
  • lbhaleylbhaley Posts: 91
    I now have 461 miles on my black XT MT that I picked up Friday evening. Here are my impressions to date.

    It's a great car!

    The Black is very classy looking (when clean).
    I love the standard cloth interior. I looks great and feels much more upscale than my 98 S did.

    The first thing that I noticed was not the power but the smoothness. The entire drivetrain is much smoother than my 98 and the handling is noticeably better.

    The power is certainly there, although at first I was a little disappointed in the power delivery. I have owned several turbo cars over the years (the last being a 91 Eagle Talon Tsi) and I was expecting that 'kick in the back' sensation when the turbo comes in. It's just not there. Instead there is a strong, very smooth flow of power. I'm not sure I like the drive by wire throttle. The response to your right foot is not linear. The first 50% of the throttle produces 90% of the power, especially at highway speeds. That said, at one point on the highway I was cruising abot 75 and needed to pass and hit a hole up ahead. I floored it and not much seemed to be happining except I was passing very fast and had to apply a little brake to fit into the hole. I glanced at the speedo and I was doing just under 100! It's sneaky fast. Out of the toll booths I limited myself to 4500 rpm. I believe that the engine is just starting to get into it's best powerband at that rpm. In first and second gear the engine note turns into a growl as the revs increase. It sounds great. I have a feeling that last 2000 rmp are going to be FUN! Again I wish the throttle response was more linear, but that's my only complaint so far.

    It's a great highway cruiser. On cruise control it effortlessly gobbles up the miles. It is quieter than my 98 at speed, but still not as quiet as my wife's 2000 Passat V6.

    Overall I am very happy with the car. I can't wait to really wind it up through the gears.

    Jack, I will be very interested to see if your impressions of your MT XT are the same as mine. I look forward to your report. I will report again after mine is broken in and I can really 'see what she'll do'.

    I am going to post this message on the new Forester Turbo forum as well. Should we start using that instead of this one?

    -Les
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    ibhaley writes, "On cruise control it effortlessly gobbles up the miles."

    Shame on you. Doesn't the book say use of cruise control during break-in is verboten? If you're not careful, your dealer will come take your car away...

    " It is quieter than my 98 at speed, but still not as quiet as my wife's 2000 Passat V6."

    My boss has a 2003 Passat V-6 4motion automatic; it's very nice. But outside my price range and unavailable with manual transmission.

    "Overall I am very happy with the car. I can't wait to really wind it up through the gears."

    My long, gradual breakin is going to really test my self-discipline.

    "Jack, I will be very interested to see if your impressions of your MT XT are the same as mine. I look forward to your report. I will report again after mine is broken in and I can really 'see what she'll do'."

    Other than incidental observations, real tangible performance reports from me will be long in coming - probably not until late September. It'll take me that long to put 2000-2500 progressive break-in miles on before I will run hard. I probably won't even see positive boost on the gauge until September.

    "I am going to post this message on the new Forester Turbo forum as well. Should we start using that instead of this one?"

    Works for me!

    Keep those updates coming...

    - jack

    -Les
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    Here's a link to another 1st-drive report:

    http://www.mississauga.com/mi/wheels/story/1146025p-1365995c.html

    Nothing earth-shaking, but quite favorable.

    - jack
  • lbhaleylbhaley Posts: 91
    Jack says "Shame on you. Doesn't the book say use of cruise control during break-in is verboten? If you're not careful, your dealer will come take your car away..."

    Yes, I know that you should vary your speed often when breaking in a new car. Believe me, with the traffic and weather conditions that we encountered to and from Albany, it never was on cruise for more than a couple of miles. The owners manual says nothing about not using the cruise control during break in. I plan to keep it below 4500 rpm for the first 1000 miles. At that point I will change the oil and filter and gradually begin to increase the rpm over the next 500 miles. By 1500 miles I will begin to take it to 6000 on occasion. I seldom go all the way to red line as the last few hundred rpm are usually well beyond the HP peak and don't really accomplish much other than add unnecessary wear and tear. This is the way I have always broken in my cars and I have never had any engine/drivetrain problems or excessive oil consumption as a result of this break in method. I believe that the first few hundred miles are the most critical ones and after that it doesn't hurt to begin to 'exercise' the engine a little. The way you plan to do it certainly won't hurt it, but I wouldn't have the self control to wait that long.
    -Les
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    ibhaley fights back: "I seldom go all the way to red line as the last few hundred rpm are usually well beyond the HP peak and don't really accomplish much other than add unnecessary wear and tear."

    The only advantage of revving 900 rpm past the HP peak is that immediately after your next upshift, you're already farther up in the rising powerband in the next gear than you'd be if you shifted earlier. With the wider spacing of the automatic's 4 speeds, this probably provides the best acceleration times. But I'm with you - always asking a little less of a car than it's maximum capabilities is a surefire way to considerably extend its life.

    - jb
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,658
    The XT turbo is a low-boost turbo, unlike the WRX or STi turbos. It's not meant so much to give you a "turbo -kick-in-the-pants," but suggest more of a smooth big-bore V8 power type of delivery.

    Bob
  • swschradswschrad Posts: 2,171
    1) the good old "ADP" reason... new filter means no aftermarket stuff fits, so it's a year or so easily of dealer-sold parts for Additional Dealer Profit. this also includes cases of changing the threading/stud size Because They Can.

    2) could be size restriction, flow rate issues, or a filter element woven from nose hairs of unicorns is necessary for this particular engine and car combination, requring a new part number.

    I think you are supposed to boast about this, not grumble about this, but you can call Subaru and see if this is the case... ;)
  • chassolchassol Posts: 95
    The parts manager got them today and I went over and got two of them today, you never know what fits and where you may need one. Let me tell you these things are not only smaller diameter - they are short in length too. Also, these are Japanese imports not made by any filter maker (for Subaru) here in the USA. Make sure you let your parts manager know as this is a BRAND NEW not stocked before Subaru filter.

    You'll understand what I mean when you see one.

    Price is about $7.50 (each) plus tax.
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    Took delivery of my silver 5-speed a few hours ago. Tires were at 34 psi cold; dropped them to 31 all around. Engine seems noisier than the automatic version I drove earlier - not happy about that. There also seemed to be more road/tire noise even at just 31psi. This is not the fairly quiet car I remembered the automatic XT to be. Faint buzzy rattle somewhere in the right side of the dash won't be easy to find. There's a small flaw in the clearcoat on one door that looks almost like a door ding already, except that there's no dimple. I guess that'll have to be fogged or something.

    I'll undoubtedly adjust before long, but I can't say I like the clutch very much at all. It's not that it's too heavy - it feels light to me. I'm no doubt exaggerating, but it feels like about 10" of travel top to bottom - way too much - and the clutch doesn't even begin to engage until about 4 or 5" off the floor. Then it engages fairly abruptly. If you caught even a few too many revs while the clutch was coming up so far, lurch city. I like to drive smoothly, and this car will take serious concentration to do so, at least for awhile.

    Like the X 5-speed I drove, it's tough to find the right seat position. Far enough away for arms-straight driving position, and you can't depress the long-travel clutch all the way. Move the seat forward enough to do that, and both the steering wheel and throttle are too close. For me, it is going to be imperative to find a solution to that too-long clutch travel.

    It's nearly impossible to keep the revs under 3,000 (my objective for the first several hundred miles), especially in first. First is such a numerically low ratio that you're already past 3,000 barely across the intersection.

    As I hoped, dropping the steering wheel down as far as possible without bothering my legs or cutting off the top of the speedo/tach with the upper wheel rim does lower the boost gauge enough to see the entire fuel gauge. It still blocks the bottom of the temp gauge, but that's the cold end, so no problem. The boost gauge is entertaining as all getout - no need for a DVD player. It is genuinely astonishing to see (slight) positive boost at very light throttle and below 2,000 RPM. Makes me wonder whether the gauge needs recalibration!

    Even with the tires at only 31psi, the steering is way light, both at low speeds and high. Climb out of this into just about anything else, and the other vehicle's steering is going to feel truckish. I have no idea why Subaru would overboost the steering so much in a car that encourages driving with brio, when drivers will want lots of feedback during hard cornering.

    No doubt a few months from now, when I'm finally able to enjoy the full measure of my XT's performance, some of these issues will fade into the background. Until then, I'll be adjusting to the car a bit more than I anticipated.

    I can't say enough positive things (so far, at least) about my dealer, and particularly about the internet fleet sales rep through whom I arranged this purchase. Unbelievably low (zero) pressure, well informed, totally matter-of-fact, and (amazingly) didn't even ask one single time if I wanted an extended warranty! First time that's happened in the last six cars I've bought.

    - jb
  • krccrkkrccrk Posts: 36
    I also find the clutch very hard to use smoothly, especially when trying to accelerate quickly or go around corners. The saleman says they can lower the point at which the clutch engages. I will see when I take it back in to get the remaining options installed.

    The steering is really overboosted. The seat in my '01 was more comfortable and held me in place better when cornering. The XT doesn't lean in turns as much as the '01.

    It's easy to for me to keep the boost negative during in city driving. Doing so gets me about the same acceleration as my '01 forester. I'm at 5000 ft. altitude
    which may have some affect, but I would think it would cause an increase in boost (relative manifold pressure).

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,658
    I wouldn't be so concerned about keeping the break-in to 3000 rpm. I'd go with Subaru's recommendation of 4000 rpm. If you're that concerned, maybe try to keep under 3000 for the first 100 miles or so, and 3500 rpm for the second 100 miles. After that, I'd just follow what SOA says.

    Bob
  • chassolchassol Posts: 95
    Could you folks please advise the type of noise you get from going over the "tar strips" on the Interstate, not the ones on the side to wake you up if you are too close to the edge of the road, but the ones that are inbetween the concrete sections of the main highway.

    I'll explain this question later..........
  • lbhaleylbhaley Posts: 91
    I find it interesting to hear the complaints about the clutch and steering on the XT. I wonder if they vary that much from car to car or if it's the driver's point of reference (ie. what they are used to driving.) I have been driving a 98 Forester MT and my wife's 2000 Passat V6 MT for the last few years. Compared to my 98 the new XT much smoother, quieter, and handles better. The clutch feels about the same as the 98 (which I considered very good) and is much smoother than the Passat. The shifting is excellent, almost on par with the Passat which I consider one of the best manual shifts I have driven (if you exclude the grabby clutch). The steering does not feel over boosted to me. My car is extremely tight and rattle free. On our trip to Albany we drove over about 8 miles of grooved pavement. The vibration was constant and annoying but the car didn't exhibit any buzzes or rattles. I considered that an excellent test.
     
    A few other things I forgot to mention in my previous report:

    The tires WERE over inflated when I took delivery. They were all at 46 pounds. I dropped them to 30 and the ride and darty handling improved by a huge amount. The darty handling completely disappeared.

    I am not crazy about the auto climate control. It stays in AC mode too long and the fan speed stays annoyingly high. I found it easy to use the manual controls and set the temperature where I wanted it. By the way, the AC seems to sap a noticeable amount of the engine's power.

    I didn't do any actual mileage check but the car used almost a half tank of gas in 180 miles. That is about what the Passat uses for the same distance.

    I hope that everyone that is having small problems with their XTs get them resolved so they can enjoy what is a really great car!

    -Les
  • krccrkkrccrk Posts: 36
    My previous car was a 2001 forester 5-speed. I've never had any trouble using the clutch on it or my other 5 previous manual transmission cars. The clutch in my XT is by far the worse I have had. Hopefully it can be adjusted, it is more than a minor annoyance.

    My XT was also delivered with tires at over 40 pounds.

    I don't seem to get any air through the vents without the fan on, even on the highway with recirculate disabled.

    Ken
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    chassol asks, "Could you folks please advise the type of noise you get from going over the "tar strips" on the Interstate, not the ones on the side to wake you up if you are too close to the edge of the road, but the ones that are inbetween the concrete sections of the main highway."

    I won't be able to help you much on that. Although I've noticed very annoying examples of those when driving in certain other states (dunno how people put up with them), there aren't any examples in Oregon that I can think of. I can say that at 31psi, the XT soaks up road-edge warning dots well.

    Man, driving this car during break-in is a PITA. It's like riding a high-spirited quarterhorse that yearns to burst into full gallop and just hates being reined in. It's amazing now to climb hills on my commute that had our '91 Grand Caravan straining, and even our 3.5-liter 24-valve Concorde feeling like it would have to downshift once or even twice to accelerate. The XT just charges up as if Subaru has figured out how to defy gravity. And that's with light throttle!

    jb
  • ballisticballistic Posts: 1,687
    les observes, "I find it interesting to hear the complaints about the clutch and steering on the XT. I wonder if they vary that much from car to car or if it's the driver's point of reference (ie. what they are used to driving.)"

    It is fascinating to hear differing reactions. I forget who said that the XT's clutch was far too heavy. Mine is the lightest-pressure clutch pedal I've experienced since my 1957 36HP Beetle. People talk about the need for the Kartboy short-throw shifter which, by altering the lever lengths with respect to the pivot, cuts the travel while increasing the effort. I don't yet feel any need to modify my shifter, but I'd LOVE to see a similar mod for the XT's clutch; I'd gladly accept twice the effort for half the travel! I have no idea why such a long clutch-pedal travel is necessary. I really hope my dealer can at least adjust mine so the point where engagement begins is about half as far off the floor as now.

    "...and handles better."

    I haven't had any opportunity to push mine in curves yet, but I very much like its lively responsiveness in ordinary maneuvers. I'll defer judgement on whether the heavier nose demands a stiffer sway bar until I see whether understeer is really a problem or not.

    "The shifting is excellent..."

    As above, I doubt I'll spend the dough for the short-shift kit - but I do think I'd appreciate the crisper, more precise shift motions that the Kartboy hard bushing(s) are said to provide. The shifter on mine is a bit vague and imprecise. No doubt I'll get used to it, but we'll see after a few weeks.

    "The steering does not feel over boosted to me."

    We really differ on this
     My car is extremely tight and rattle free. On our trip to Albany we drove over about 8 miles of grooved pavement. The vibration was constant and annoying but the car didn't exhibit any buzzes or rattles. I considered that an excellent test.
     
    A few other things I forgot to mention in my previous report:

    The tires WERE over inflated when I took delivery. They were all at 46 pounds. I dropped them to 30 and the ride and darty handling improved by a huge amount. The darty handling completely disappeared.

    I am not crazy about the auto climate control. It stays in AC mode too long and the fan speed stays annoyingly high. I found it easy to use the manual controls and set the temperature where I wanted it. By the way, the AC seems to sap a noticeable amount of the engine's power.

    I didn't do any actual mileage check but the car used almost a half tank of gas in 180 miles. That is about what the Passat uses for the same distance.

    I hope that everyone that is having small problems
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