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Chevrolet Cobalt

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  • jeigh1194jeigh1194 Posts: 6
    How do you know that? You work for GM?
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    No, I do not work for GM. That is the information I was given by a GM employee. Very credible.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    the Cobalt isn't an economy car anymore. That niche is for the Daewoo rebadged Aveo. The Cobalt is a "premium sport compact car" (GM's words, not mine)
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    If the price matches the name "premium sport compact car", then I believe there will be few who will buy a Cobalt. Certainly very few of the former Cavalier fans (and there were many --- just check the overall sales figures).
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    In the G6 press kit, it says it's not getting the 2.4L Ecotec until the 06 model year, and it will be automatic only, at least upon release. The same may be true for the Cobalt, I have to check that.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    Cobalt gets a manual in June of 05. Could be a 06, not sure though.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Big mistake, how can you even call yourself a sport anything without a manual tranny?

    The target audience is exactly the demographic that will care about tranny choices, too.

    They're just saying the Aveo is the cheapy car now, so Cobalt doesn't have to be. And they hope it'll appeal to the trendy Sport Compact crowd. Premium also means those people are willing to pay more for it.

    But after GM labeled its mininvans "Crossover Sport Vans" you know not to give one iota of credibility to the labels they assign.

    -juice
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    The budget Cavalier shoppers who can't afford buying the "premium sport compact" Cobalt can always buy an Aveo, which some people think is a much better car than the Cavalier, even though it is a rebadged and imported Daewoo.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Having seen both at NAIAS, the Detroit Auto Show, I cannot imagine ANYONE would think the Aveo was a better car than the Cavalier. Anyone at all.

    And the Cobalt appears to be worlds better than either.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "Having seen both at NAIAS, the Detroit Auto Show, I cannot imagine ANYONE would think the Aveo was a better car than the Cavalier. Anyone at all."

    Oh you've seen both! Consider changing your name to expertclineii, please. Just a bit of good-hearted chiding :)

    Seriously, though... have you driven a Cavalier recently? I have. Its pathetic. Its MSRP is only loosely based in reality. The ride is terrible, but the handling doesnt feel nimble, the cockpit materials would embarass Fisher Price, driving position is awful. The headrests (which dont lock) are VINYL even on models priced at $17K, offset and side impact scores are disastrous, the seats are thin, uncomfortable, and poorly shaped, the warranty is poor, I could go on. The only redeeming feature is the Ecotec- a good engine, fairly refined (not class leading) offering good acceleration and fuel economy.

    For the Cobalt to be anything but a home-run, comparatively, would be a downright shocker.

    ~alpha
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, I rented a Sunfire convertible and it was so bad that I swore off that rental company entirely. If I want a drop-top now, I use a company that only carries Sebrings, so I don't get stuck with another J car.

    There was lots of room for improvement, let's see how the Cobalt drives.

    -juice
  • jeigh1194jeigh1194 Posts: 6
    For myself, it's either the Chevy Cobalt SS with a manual tranny (fingers crossed).
    Or the Toyota Scion tC about to be released soon. That Scion tC is niiiiiiiiiice.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    My gut is telling me tC, but I'm going to have to drive them both.

    I think that the SS Supercharged is going to walk all over the tC supercharged, and that is pretty important in this segment.
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    My post of May 3, 2004 lamented the fact that "the underwhelming activity in this discussion group indicates such apathy that GM must juice-up the looks and/or interior, or something, if they hope to have a best seller (i.e. Cavalier) in the new Cobalt/Pursuit line!"

    My post of May 4, 2004 said "I have enjoyed every one of my Cavaliers and I had very little trouble with them. So I am not biased against Chevrolet in any sense. I just wish GM had gone for a bigger leap forward in styling".

    Now I see there has been a gap of 34 days between postings in this discussion (from May 12th to June 15th). I believe the apathy has been sufficiently proven.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    I actually meant to say my gut is telling me Cobalt. That's weird.
    I'm actually pretty excited to see the Cobalt out on the road, but there isn't really much more to talk about until it gets here.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Alternator, it's pretty normal at this stage for discussion to die down for a while (or, worse, to go completely off topic until the hosts put a stop to it).

    Besides, this car is not marketed towards enthusiasts. Wait and see. And remember, GM's primary goal is to raise its profit margin (or, rather, stop the loss margin) from the Cavalier...
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    at least this discussion is not veering off topic like some other discussions. And most discussions start to die down when there's a lack of information. The ones that keep on going either are off topic or they're talking about something only slightly related to what the discussion is actually about.
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    At the travelling GM Auto Show in Motion, the booklet indicates that the Cobalt LT is on display. Trying to get over to Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, MA this weekend.
    http://www.autoshowinmotion.com
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    When I went to the "vehicles gallery" in http://www.autoshowinmotion.com there was no Cobalt to be seen. Did I miss something? Maybe you should call someone and check before you travel to Foxboro.
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    I have the actual booklet given out at the show. A friend was there on Thursday, and dropped off a copy.

    Chevrolet Pavilion
    Stop by the Chevrolet Pavilion to check out the all-new Chevrolet line-up. Feature vehicles will include hot products such as the Cobalt LT Sedan, Equinox, SSR, Colorado Extreme, Aveo, Malibu Maxx and much more!

    But your right, still dosen't mean the car is there. A posted the link so any one that wanted to sign up for Foxboro, or the upcoming shows eleswhere, could check it out. Maybe someone will post back for sure to say its there. And I would be going to drive the GTO, GXP, and maybe a spin in the 325ia/ES330/C320. Cobalt and G6 sightings would just be a jump start on next years autoshows.
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    If you see Cobalt, let us know exactly what your impressions are. Interior still looks very Cavalier to me.
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    Here is an interesting interview of GM's Lori Queen (she is the new small car honcho at GM)

    http://www.autoweb.lycos.com/content/research/index.cfm?id=10714;- - TAWEB&action=ShowArticle&aid=139128

    She projects optimism, but the Cobalt images I've seen are not that encouraging IMO (I wish they were).
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    is encouraged by GM to be positive about the Cobalt in this preview :

    http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article- _id=8207

    but I'm not sure he is buying it.
  • tarquinitarquini Posts: 3
    I am not sure where you get the idea that the writer isn't "buying it", throughout the entire article he does state that he is trying to not over-do the praise or be over enthusiastic. But he does come off as very positive despite his caution with comments such as:

    "Now the post-drive synopsis: The Cobalt has been to charm school. That?s a fact, not an impression, so we can blurt it right out."

    and

    "But things are different this time."

    and

    " but the interior is a mini-Lexus in its shapes, tones, and textures. Chrome touches are back, in the bezels and door handles."

    and

    "So we?re cautiously optimistic."

    Then he concludes by stating that the fairly abysmal Saturn Ion might have been GM's low point and that the Cobalt might help turn back the red ink for this floundering domestic car company, in not so many words of course.

    Just my two cents.
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    Is "We’re cautiously optimistic" an endorsement? And is this statement encouraging: "The exterior is a yawner, one more 'universal small sedan'" ?

    tarquini, your expectations are just much higher than mine I believe!
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    I read that the 2005 ION will get a big re-do including big upgrades to the interior, front grill and some mechanicals. The new 2.4 will be an option also.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Move the guages to the driver's side, few people like that setup.

    -juice
  • tarquinitarquini Posts: 3
    First off that last sentence of yours makes very little sense in structure, I have very little to go off as to your actual meaning. Secondly, do you think the civic isn't a yawner of an exterior? Most high volume cars aren't extraordinarily distinctive.

    Personally, I am fairly hopeful that the car turns out to be everything GM is trying to make it out to be, and I will remain optimistic until the day I can test drive one and decide for myself. Dismissing even a long shot is nothing short of stupidity, and constantly putting down a product that isn't even completed is a little rude.
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    I have owned five Cavaliers in a row, and gotten good service from everyone of them. I'm not trying to shoot down the Cobalt. I'm just disappointed that nothing more has been done in the styling department (either exterior or interior), based on all the photos I have seen to date. That's just one man's opinion --- mine. Words like "stupidity" and "rude" do not belong in this discussion. I will not be contributing further to any discussion between the two of us. Let it go please.
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