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Chevrolet Cobalt

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  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Chevy has done evil with the SS S/C coupe. When it was unveiled in LA, and at Detroit, they said that it was making 220 HP and it could make more with the exhaust tweaks they were working on. Well guess what, it makes 205HP, same as the Redline. Lies!
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    ..but it does have a better interior.
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    Looked at GM Media site for the LA & Detroit Auto Shows press releases and they both say that the SS Supercharged horsepower rating would be released later.
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    With all the photos already on the web, the underwhelming activity in this discussion group indicates such apathy that GM must juice-up the looks and/or interior, or something, if they hope to have a best seller (i.e. Cavalier) in the new Cobalt/Pursuit line!
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Er, I don't agree.

    There is NO news on this car and hasn't been for months. There is a similar dearth of activity on other cars to be introduced this fall, such as the Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego.

    Hold your horses.

    Wait to diss the car until you have at least had the opportunity to see PRODUCTION models.

    I saw the prototypes at the Detroit Auto Show (NAIAS) and was much impressed. This ain't no Cavalier.
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    Surely the 84 pictures at http://www.wieck.com/public, and the many other pictures at http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt, are pretty indicative of what the 2005 Cobalt will look like. I see a Mazda3 front end (including the bulging hood I dislike in the Mazda3) attached to a Cavalier rear two-thirds. Others may well see something quite different. And, strange me, I have never seen very much wrong with Cavaliers. But my point is -- where is the enthusiasm within this discussion group? My last six cars have been: 1984 Cavalier hatchback, '87 Cavalier hatchback, '89 Cavalier coupe, '92 Cavalier coupe, '96 Cavalier coupe (which I still own) and a 2002 Mazda Protege. I have enjoyed every one of my Cavaliers and I had very little trouble with them. So I am not biased against Chevrolet in any sense. I just wish GM had gone for a bigger leap forward in styling.
  • jeigh1194jeigh1194 Posts: 6
    From what I've read of the specs for each trim of the Cobalt, Chevrolet is doing the ol' tease again.
    The LS and base models offer the manual transmission. But the SS model seems to be only offered with an automatic. For crying out loud why???
    If you want performance with the manual tranny then you'll have to step up to the supercharged model. Which doesn't really appeal to me because it'll probably require premium gas. Hello? Defeats the purpose of buying an 'economy' car.
    Why the hell isn't Chevrolet offering the SS model with a manual Getrag transmission like all the other trims?
    This pisses me off.
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    Do the math. Premium isn't the killer you may think. In our area it is $.10 more then regular. If you drove 18,000 per year and got 24 MPG, you would buy 750 gallons of gas. 750 gallons times the $.10 difference is $75 per year or $6.25 per month. Adjust the calcualtion for your needs, but I wouldn't rule out a car just on the need for premium.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    The manual in the SS models is due in June 05.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's really dumb, the press will test automatics and call them slow. By the time it does come out they will have lost people's attention.

    -juice
  • jeigh1194jeigh1194 Posts: 6
    How do you know that? You work for GM?
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    No, I do not work for GM. That is the information I was given by a GM employee. Very credible.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    the Cobalt isn't an economy car anymore. That niche is for the Daewoo rebadged Aveo. The Cobalt is a "premium sport compact car" (GM's words, not mine)
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    If the price matches the name "premium sport compact car", then I believe there will be few who will buy a Cobalt. Certainly very few of the former Cavalier fans (and there were many --- just check the overall sales figures).
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    In the G6 press kit, it says it's not getting the 2.4L Ecotec until the 06 model year, and it will be automatic only, at least upon release. The same may be true for the Cobalt, I have to check that.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    Cobalt gets a manual in June of 05. Could be a 06, not sure though.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Big mistake, how can you even call yourself a sport anything without a manual tranny?

    The target audience is exactly the demographic that will care about tranny choices, too.

    They're just saying the Aveo is the cheapy car now, so Cobalt doesn't have to be. And they hope it'll appeal to the trendy Sport Compact crowd. Premium also means those people are willing to pay more for it.

    But after GM labeled its mininvans "Crossover Sport Vans" you know not to give one iota of credibility to the labels they assign.

    -juice
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    The budget Cavalier shoppers who can't afford buying the "premium sport compact" Cobalt can always buy an Aveo, which some people think is a much better car than the Cavalier, even though it is a rebadged and imported Daewoo.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Having seen both at NAIAS, the Detroit Auto Show, I cannot imagine ANYONE would think the Aveo was a better car than the Cavalier. Anyone at all.

    And the Cobalt appears to be worlds better than either.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "Having seen both at NAIAS, the Detroit Auto Show, I cannot imagine ANYONE would think the Aveo was a better car than the Cavalier. Anyone at all."

    Oh you've seen both! Consider changing your name to expertclineii, please. Just a bit of good-hearted chiding :)

    Seriously, though... have you driven a Cavalier recently? I have. Its pathetic. Its MSRP is only loosely based in reality. The ride is terrible, but the handling doesnt feel nimble, the cockpit materials would embarass Fisher Price, driving position is awful. The headrests (which dont lock) are VINYL even on models priced at $17K, offset and side impact scores are disastrous, the seats are thin, uncomfortable, and poorly shaped, the warranty is poor, I could go on. The only redeeming feature is the Ecotec- a good engine, fairly refined (not class leading) offering good acceleration and fuel economy.

    For the Cobalt to be anything but a home-run, comparatively, would be a downright shocker.

    ~alpha
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