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Chevrolet Cobalt

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  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    ...is 3 years/36 months bumper-to-bumper and 5 / 60 on the powertrain.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Saw the Cobalt coupe for the first time. Not bad looking on the outside. Looks like hard plastic and cheap looking parts inside. Had a shift knob that looked like a toy part, probably worth 50 cents. The asking price is around $16K, I would value it around $14K if you want something with a larger engine than say a Corolla,Civic or Elantra. If the extra HP is no big deal, it looks like a poor comparison to any of the other three mentioned. And there is the PT, which can be had for around $14. Sorry, but I don't see the value here. Not the worse buy under $14K in the car world, but at $16K it has to be way overpriced.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Go look and feel all the hard plastic in a Corolla. Newsflash : hard plastic is the norm in small cars. The car is fairly priced and incentives will likely bring it down to your $14K value level anyway.
  • I bought a 1997 cavalier almost 3 years for $1,400 and vowed to stay with it forever. But when the Cobalt was released I did my research, and am going this weekend to finalize a sale for a new black 5 Speed Cobalt with power everything for $11,750. For that money, power, and "upgrade", hard to beat it.
  • My cousin just bought a Sedan Cobalt. It came power everything with a sunroof for 17,000 and she got it for 15,000. I got to drive it, and I love it. The parts do not look "plastic." They look new. It is comparable to the Honda Civic in size. You would be amazed that a german shepard, a baby, myself, and my three hundred pound six foot father could fit so comfortably inside. I loved this car so much that I am going to purchase one soon.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Hopefully word on this car spreads. Many import owners will think Cavalier update rather than all new competitive car.

    Nice to hear from owners and magazines that Chevy FINALLY has a good compact.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Enjoy the new car(s) Sounds like you are really sold and selling on these new compacts from Chevy. Driving is fun and if it is in the car you like, that's a beautiful thing. Good to see enthusiasm for cars these days. Was a time when I thought people lost interest in cars and driving. Vanman1, and others here on Edmund's boards seem to be revved up again. Too bad there are not more driving clubs. I do some driving with a Miata club, and see some Corvettes on the road so some groups actually drive the cars. PT Cruiser clubs look interesting. I assume there is no chance of a Cobalt driving club. I bet there are Internet chat clubs though. Have fun!
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    I will bet you anything you will see some Solstice clubs pop up real soon.

    Cobalt, who knows...
  • dave37dave37 Posts: 3
    Came by your post and thought you might like more Cobalt info. I researched the Cobalt hard. I bought my son a black LS Coupe: sunroof, Pioneer sound system, sport package, 4speed auto w/overdrive. $18,900 sticker. You can get into a coupe or sedan, manual tran with the basics for $14,190. The 2.2 is alittle flat at mid-range RPM's, however, this little car can make the pass when you push on it. The interior is simple and stylish. The headliner good, It has a mode type information center: coolant temp, outside temp, mileage, mpg, two trip settings etc. The pioneer sound is very good. plays MP3,s too. ( simple files only ) Gas mileage is supposed to be around 32mpg with the auto. He's got 320 miles on it and it's at 26mpg now. My research revealed people complaining of the following: Gas gauge not going to full when filled - it does, give it a couple of minutes. Steering not returning to center - haven't seen that but, it does seem to favor the left slightly. Stereo failing into "Locked" mode. I did read in the manual this is a safety feature - if someone tries to remove the radio it locks itself. Chevy dealer can reset if this happens. If you would like more info, I'll post again.
  • gmhellmangmhellman Posts: 121
    I live in the Upper Penninsula of MI. We had our central UP car show at the Superior Dome in Marquette. I drove a two door cobalt and it was fantastic. The fit and finish was impecable and the car already had 3,500 miles from multiple test drives at the dealership. Our roads suck up here so that speaks volumes regarding quality. I have seen people break tie rods on potholes at 25mph. Extremely brisk of line for a four cylinder, but still flat in the mid-range even with a stick, but I think it may be even flatter with the auto. I did notice that it was a little soft in at center. Radio excellent. This was a fully loaded two door. I own a 99 GA with the same ecotec 4 and this is 5hp more and definitley lighter...ie faster. The model I drove with it's options....sport package, sunroof, pioneer stereo was 15,200 on road ttl included. The dealer is a good friend of mine. He tells me all the dirt. What is a good car and what is a bad car. He said that this is way better built than the new malibu. Just my humble experience.
  • gmhellmangmhellman Posts: 121
    I like the spoiler on the performance package versus the wing on the SS. Is the wing even really functional at that height? I mean who is going to be winding up their SS at a speed where the need the spoiler? Do the wing and the spoiler use the same holes? Could the wing be removed and a spoiler from the performance package be put in it's place. It is hard to tell from the pictures. Any thoughts?
  • dave37dave37 Posts: 3
    Tell the truth. You can research any pricing you want on the net, dealer friend or not: Frei Chevrolet in Marquette has basic a Cobalt coupe with $1,575.00 worth of options and $565.00 destination charges that stickers for $15,765.00. That does not include ttl. No one is going to get into the Coupe for $15,200 with the options you listed. Not without putting down some good cash.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Yes, and wind is functional at that height. May help keep the trunk lid down after grocery shopping ;-) Maybe the backs of these cars have lift at say 120 MPH... I am not gonna test it to see. Could also serve as a lunch tray at tail gate parties. Looks sporty, and keeps ya up with the neighbors kids custom cars. A wing also gives those that don't like'em something to [non-permissible content removed] about, so they are happy!
    It is truly useful in many ways. Really, people ought to lighten up and just do some fun stuff with cars. That is unless the wind is so big it slows down the car, or blocks out the sun, or worse raises the front wheels off the ground - oh the horrors! They won't sell many SS models give the price being up there with Acura and such. Heck, you could buy a RWD Stang for that much too. The Cobalt is something you get for $14K, drive the heck out of, and enjoy it for what it is.

    Loren
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    "The Cobalt is something you get for $14K, drive the heck out of, and enjoy it for what it is"

    Totally disagree. Having tested the car I will tell you it's as good as any of the best small cars out there in terms of performance, build and refinement.

    This is no Cavalier!!
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Think there was a question about this about 20+ posts back.

    http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/environment/news_issues/news/oillife_monitor_041603.ht- ml

    The system looks at overall driving pattern, not just miles driven. Somewhere (couldn't find it this time) there's another web page that has animation showing how the process works.
  • gmhellmangmhellman Posts: 121
    When I mentioned the 15,200 on the road ttl. It was just an estimate. I am sure that was rough numbers, not including the interest from any loan. I noticed your math and the destination charge removed equals just about the qoute I was given. I went to high school with this guy and his dad owns the dealership...we have dinner monthly. I am sure that he is willing to wave the destination charge and probably cover my ttl. Our area runs on three major business/companies. 1) Northern Michigan University 2) Marquette General Hospital and 3) The mines up the road in Negaunee and Ishpeming. None of these businesses are doing well and therefore people are not buying many new cars. They are motivated to sell them....even if they have to do some by covering destination charges and ttl. I am telling the truth...also we had a large car show (No I am not comparing us to the big car shows) and it is very competitive locally. (Dealerships from 2 cities compete and often do the most sales at the car show and right after....they want to make sales in front of hundreds of people to give the impression that the customer must buy now because the cars are "moving".)I know that you can look up invoices and prices online. Do you really think I would post a fictional price when obvously many of these people are informed and passionate about this topic? Please don't treat me like a juvenile...I am not. I just really like this car and was posting a deal that I had offered to me to help others negotiate price.
  • ericf1ericf1 Posts: 54
    My local Chevy dealer will give me a price for an automatic base coupe w/ABS+Side Airbags for ~$14,500. I can live without the power windows, etc.

    But, I can get a automatic 5-Door Elantra GLS LOADED for the same price. Power everything, keyless entry, better stereo, etc.

    Hmm. Which to chose?
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
  • prdmprdm Posts: 145
    The car we ordered from the factory on March 2 was just delivered to the dealer in CT today - much faster than anticipated. Pick it up on Fri or Sat.
  • occupant1occupant1 Posts: 408
    From my "comparator" research here on Edmunds, I've pretty much determined that a basic Cobalt compares well to the Corolla CE and Civic DX/VP sedans. It's cheaper, more powerful, more spacious (except front headroom), and has better warranties. The only downside is fuel economy, the Civic/Corolla each get 38mpg on the highway, which is significantly higher than the Cobalt's number. Car is for my s/o. I would be happier to see her in an Elantra, though, for the lower price, the certain features (cassette instead of CD, std power windows and locks,) and the 10yr/100K warranty on the powertrain.

    Anyone have a lot of miles on their Cobalts yet? Like 15-20K? Anyone doing courier work or something? S/O is going to be traveling all over the southern US with this thing and will probably put 40-50K a year on it.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Only the Corolla, with side air bags, and the Cobalt, with side air bags, pass the IIHS.org side impact crash tests; both cars have strong enough bodies to withstand a side impact by a small pickup or small SUV.

    The Corolla has an excellent repair record. The Cobalt has a much stronger, quieter engine.

    "Real world" gas mileage is likely to be closer than the numbers indicate. I got 32 mpg on road trips with a Cavalier with the same 2.2 Ecotec engine and a stick shift. Automatics, regardless of brand, are always significantly lower (subtract 3-5 mpg).

    It's worth searching out side impact airbags. It's worth ordering a lightly equipped model with side air bags, and Chevy does orders better than Toyota.

    If you are putting 40-50k a year on it, residual value after 3-5 years isn't that different although it will favor the Corolla.

    I'd rather have the longer Cobalt warranty. That and the ability to order one the way I wanted would tip me to the Cobalt. I would buy from a great dealer, though, one that will back me up on the inevitable minor warranty matters that will pop up during the first 30k miles.

    Finally, I'd rather have my SO in an American car, than an import, driving over the Southern US. There is still some residual dislike of imported cars once you are outside the coasts.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    You will also more easily find service for a Chevy than a Hyundai in a small town. GM dealers are everywhere!

    Power comes with a price, the extra ponies do suck a bit more gas.

    Crash test scores on the Cobalt are top notch. If safety is a concern, the Cobalt is the best choice.
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 545
    That article on the GM Oil Life System was really interesting. GM has certainly not trumpeted this seemingly worthwhile feature. I've always taken the middle road (half-way between 3,000 and 7,500 mile).
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    I have the GM Oil Life System in my Grand Prix. Works great, I always follow it. I don't know of any other car makers that even have such a feature.
  • dave37dave37 Posts: 3
    Sorry. I did not mean to imply that you are juvenile. Trolls do get mean sometimes. I would only like to say the Cobalt you described is approx $19,391.00, including ttl. If the dealer that made you the offer you posted still has the car and you still love it, he is willing to drop approx $4,191.00 to get you in it for $15,200.00. You should go make that deal right away and have fun with your new Cobalt. Even if you do not need a car, that's a huge deal.
  • Does anyone know where I can find a link to a Chevrolet Cobalt SEDAN First Drive/Full Test on edmunds.com? I've already read the SS coupe test. I'm glad that Chevy has finally hit a success. I see a lot of potential for the Cobalt. It can now compete with class leaders like Toyota Corolla, Ford Focus, Mazda 3, Honda Civic. The Cavalier should have been replaced or redesigned back in 2000, not in 2005. The Cavalier model had been there since 1995! Ten years!
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    The true value is in fact what they are able to sell the car for. You will find that GM and Ford will price somewhere around $3k to $5k over what they actually intend to get for their products. Honda usually comes down a few hundred, to maybe a grand, unless something is really not moving well for them. Toyota usually comes down $1k to as much as $2k, unless it is a real expensive car. May be possible to do a little better on fleet pricing. Anyway, the point is the selling price sticker on GM and Ford is way over what I would ever expect to pay. I own a Corolla and it is far superior to the Olds Achieva. There is no comparison to how the interior held up, no water leaks, no 8 to 10 trips to the dealer to fix this and that. The steering does not go flaky light when up to speed on freeways, it is not leaking water on the floor board, paint is not coming off the bumpers, plastic parts are not popping off, and the car looks newer at 7 yrs of age than the Olds did at 4 yrs of age. The Achieva had more HP, so it was faster. A Cobalt may be faster than some other cars, and maybe an advantage here or there, but I would not put it in the same class Japanese cars. It is just a beast of a different nature. It could even be more fun to drive. I am sure there are some advantages to Chevy, but over the years I have come to accept the differences between cheap and value - what is fun and what is practical and inexpensive to own in the long run. Honda HX can get between 44 and 48MPG with ease on the freeway. Heck, my Corolla with an automatic got over 40 MPG one time. As they age, the figure may be 36 to 38 MPG - still awesome.
    Loren
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    There is a full Car and Driver test this month on the newstands. In about a month it will be available on the online edition. The report is glowing. I am happy for Chevy. Given the side crash tests at IIHS.org, the Cobalt would be on my short list of small cars worth buying, until the new Honda Civic comes out (and we see how it crash tests)and until the 06' Jetta is tested. Now if only GM would run with the good IIHS PR (public relations) and make side curtain airbags standard (they are an available option). I think they have their heart in the right place - for years the Cavalier had standard ABS - but right now the studies indicate ABS doesn't save nearly as many lives as side curtain air bags (not side torso airbags, which don't improve your odds that much).

    If GM won't make them standard, I hope they get them on at least 25% of the lightly optioned, less expensive Cobalts out there so working moms have a safer choice in a small car. They are only about a $300 option.
  • gmhellmangmhellman Posts: 121
    Sorry to get aggressive, that is what the dealer told me...I did some investigation and the car had been a car that was test driven for a month by a gm employee....He only put 1500 miles on it. Apparently he is a high level engineer and they get 3 months behind the wheel of every new production car as part of their contract. He unfortunately was gone on vacation for two months of his period. So the miles were very low and that is where the huge discount came in. He did not receive that info until I went back and questioned the price of the car. So really we were both right. He also said that he really shouldn't have included the tax in his ttl he just threw that term around w/o defining it. But really it is still a good deal. I am trying to swing the payment but we just had a baby and my wife is not back to work yet/attempting to transfer to a new office. No love lost dave37
  • Thanks for replying.

    I already checked the Car and Driver review, and the report was good. I'm surprised edmunds.com hasn't done a first/drive full test on the Cobalt sedan. It's March of 2005 already. Here they are doing tests on 2006 models, Infiniti M45/M35 Lexus G2300/400 Honda Ridgeline, Mitsubishi Evolution, BMW 3 series. Did they forget about the poor Cobalt? Of the cars I mentioned, the Cobalt is the mos boring, yet it will appeal to most Americans who needs inexpensive transportation. I hope Chevrolet brings out an SS version of the sedan to compete with the Mazda 3. The Cobalt is such a huge improvement over the aging Cavalier,they should have released it a long time ago. Watch out Corolla, Civic, and Focus! Chevrolet is back!!!
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