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Chevrolet Cobalt

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  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    See if there is a lemon law in your state. You situation is unusual - you may have gotten a lemon. My mom's 2004 Cavalier has been rock solid, and the Cobalt is much better made.
  • ron_mron_m Posts: 188
    I really do not understand what the problem was with starting a forum that explicitly pertains to Cobalt-related issues--since many other vehicle forums on Edmunds have these.

    At any rate, I can identify with what you're going through with your Cobalt. I purchased a new Chevy TrailBlazer LTZ back in June of 2001 as a 2002 model. That SUV turned out to be the biggest lemon that I had ever witnessed. A/C problems, stereo head unit getting dangerously hot on trips, transmission failure at 9,000 miles of operation, water flooding the driver's side floorboard during heavy rainstorms, noisy relays, noise from the instrument panel, squeaking suspension components, excessive wind noise at highway speeds, rear door weather stripping wouldn't stay attached, bad piston slap at startup, really loud roar from the fan clutch resulting in temporary horsepower loss, flimsy front bumper fascia, etc., etc.

    Dealing with a problematic vehicle such as yours can be unbelievably frustrating. Especially if your dealer is either incompotent, dishonest, or both!

    I wish you the best of luck in getting your problems resolved. And thanks for letting us know about your problems. Posts such as yours will help the rest of us decide on whether or not we should even remotely consider buying one of these vehicles.

    Ron M.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Regarding your not understanding the reason a topic was closed, the issues the person wanted to discuss are being discussed here in this topic, so there was no need for the duplicate conversation. Additionally, it was created on the News & Views board, which is not where we talk about individual vehicle problems.

    If you have other questions or comments about discussion management, please feel free to email me, or the host who closed the discussion that you are questioning.

    Thanks!
  • ron_mron_m Posts: 188
    Understood. Thanks for the clarification Pat--and keep up the good work!

    Regards,

    Ron M.
  • Did you Lemon Law it? How did you resolve the problems? In Florida, you have to have it in the shop three times for the same problem then contact the manufacturer and if the problem happens for a fourth time GM steps in and tries to fix it. Or it has to be in the shop for 15 days then you can start the process. I have already reported the problems to GM and they have been very good about staying in touch to find out what is going on.

    My car now has some warning ligths flashing but nothing that is consistant. A huge variety of piddly things that I think will eventually drive me insane! Did GM take care of you? I asked the dealer where I purchased the car what I can do to get rid of it and he said the best thing that I could do is wait it out and Lemon Law it. Not very comforting.

    I paid cash for my car so I only have the minimum insurance on it so every time I take it to the dealer they give me a "loaner" which cost me 10.00 a day for the additional insurance.

    What did you do? Thank you for your feed back. Its very reassuring.
  • sleukemsleukem Posts: 22
    I was talking to my local Chevy dealer about purchasing a SS Cobalt. I expressed my concern about winter driving. They told me it wouldn't be a problem to put 17" snow tires on the factory 18" rims. I questioned this and they told me it would work.

    Is this right??????? If they are full of it, can I get snow tires for this car??? Many thanks for any responses
  • tazerelitazereli Posts: 241
    To even suggest such a thing is plain stupid on their part. No way will 17" tires fit 18" rims. That dealer must have Forrest Gump for a service manager. I'd advise you to avoid this dealer in the future unless you have no other choice. You should be able to get 18" snow tires for your stock rims. Or maybe a tire/wheel combo in 17" size. Try www.tirerack.com for possibilites. Great site with good research. Or find a local tire shop to do the work.

    Regards,
    Kyle
  • sleukemsleukem Posts: 22
    Thanks Kyle!!!

    I tried telling them it wouldn't work but they "assured" me it would!!! :mad:

    I checked tirerack. Would you recommend the 17" or 16" rim and snow tire??? They have both combinations and I was wondering what would work better.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    You might want to stop by and Ask Connor at the Tire Rack, which is a discussion featuring a Tire Rack rep on our Aftermarket & Accessories board.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Bridgestone Blizzak are supposed to be the best. I saw on their website that they have 17 and 18" tires available for cars. I read in a tire test once that they have an expected life of about 10,000 miles, which for the average driver is about two seasons. Continental also has winter tires.
  • tazerelitazereli Posts: 241
    I wasn't telling anything that you already didn't know. I dont have much experience with GM FWD products in the snow other than my brother in law's '96 Sunfire. I dont recall him having many problems.

    If I had my druthers, I'd seek out a 16" wheel combo. Narrower tires usually do better in the snow since they cut through rather than ride on top of the with a wider tire. Barring that, follow Pat's advice and post in the other forum that was mentioned. I have some experience after 4 years of installing/selling tires for Sears Auto back in my college days but haven't been up to speed much since 1998 when it comes to tires. Other than what I've ordered from the tire rack over the past 6 years. Good Luck! ;)

    Regards,
    Kyle
  • ron_mron_m Posts: 188
    frustrated8,

    Actually, no, I did not attempt to enforce the Lemon Law. I probably should have though. The regional GM rep was a hard nut to crack regarding a buyback. About the best I could get out of him without hiring an attorney was a "free 100,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty". Which to me wasn't a satisfactory solution, because I would still have had to spend way too much time taking the vehicle to the dealership--leading to lost time from work, having to drive crappy rental cars, etc. The whole experience was a major drain! This particular SUV did meet my state's Lemon Law criteria, because I had to take it in three different times for a faulty rear pinion seal that lead to fluid leaking on my then new, concrete driveway. And I am the one that had to end up diagnosing the problem, because the dealership said that they "positively cannot spot any leaks". :mad:

    Admittedly, part of the problems that I experienced were due to a lame dealership. I ended up taking it to a different dealership that was much more courteous in nature regarding the average employee's attitude towards customer service. However, their service techs' expertise wasn't really that much better than the first dealership's. If they corrected one issue, they would screw something else up in the process.

    For me, the ultimate resolution was that I traded it in on another brand of vehicle. It has been three years now since I traded, and I have yet to experience a single problem with the replacement vehicle. In fact, nothing even remotely resembling a mechanical, electrical or trim/finish issue has occurred thus far. I'd better knock on wood, but so far, so good! :D

    I'd start out by discussing your vehicle with the regional rep. Make sure you have formal, detailed documentation of all the problems that you have encountered thus far--dates included. Some states provide free Lemon Law legal representation. I'd pursue that through your home state and see what they can do for you there. I believe that you can also pursue a Lemon Law or buyback case through your attorney general's office. It's that way in my home state.

    Once again, best of luck to you. Please let us know how you come out on this deal.

    Regards,

    Ron M.
  • sleukemsleukem Posts: 22
    The dealership I was negotiating the deal with refused to sell me the car!!! :mad:

    I was all set to buy it when they told me I HAD to finance it through them or they couldn't sell me the car! I told them I already had financing. They said they would match the rate from my bank. I told them they would have to do better than that to make me give up my prearranged financing. They told me that they couldn't. They told me those were the terms and if I didn't like them I could buy the car somewhere else. I told them I would give my business to a dealership that wanted to sell cars!!!

    I know they wanted to make money on the financing since they aren't making anything on the car due to the employee discount. But NO ONE tells me where I have to finance my money!!!! :mad:
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    You said, in part:

    I know they wanted to make money on the financing since they aren't making anything on the car due to the employee discount.

    Not true - GM slipped another 5% discount to the dealer to make up for the below invoice pricing.

    Sometimes the F&I (finance and insurance) people are a separate department from sales. I would take the issue back to the sales manager next time. The last time I bought a car they offered to give me 5 days to refinance through my own company. Sometimes they want you to fill out a credit information in case your financing falls through. That much is reasonable. I have heard of people having to fill out finance applications when they were paying cash (certified check) for the same reason, in case the check didn't clear!
  • sleukemsleukem Posts: 22
    Not true - GM slipped another 5% discount to the dealer to make up for the below invoice pricing.

    I was not aware of this. Thank you for the information. I was going on what the sales manager told me. He told me the car was being sold at cost. The sales manager also told me that the dealership would not make anything on the car unless I financed through them. I had already filled out credit information the day before I went to buy the car but told them I was talking to my own bank. There was nothing said at that time about how I had to finance through them.

    It wasn't until I actually went to the dealership to buy the car that they said I had to finance through them or buy the car elsewhere. :mad:
  • richards38richards38 Posts: 606
    I'd go elsewhere--the dealer is a pig.

    Unless there's a special financing rate that beats your bank, it's best to deal with the people at the bank where you're known and where your auto loan might qualify you for better or less costly banking services generally.

    The Cobalt is so new that extra discounts at such an early stage show how hard it is to convince buyers that GM is making a competitive compact car now.

    The Cavalier stayed around so long and became so awful relative to competitors that GM has to undo the damage it did........Richard
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    What was so awful about the Cavalier? I have never owned one but have known many who have and they swear by them, not at them.

    Other than it's long between styling changes, the cars drive train was mechanically sound.
  • sleukemsleukem Posts: 22
    I am not trying to put words in richards38's mouth but I don't think he is saying the Cavalier is mechanically unsound. I think what he is trying to say is that GM did not keep the Cavalier within the same caliber as the competition.

    I can definitely attest to the Cavalier's mechanical soundness. I currently own a 2001 Cavalier with 123,000 miles. I bought it privately in 2001 with 4,000 miles on it. Outside of normal oil changes, I have put new tires, front brakes and replaced the thermostat. The car is still driving strong! :D
  • richards38richards38 Posts: 606
    Sleukem:
    You are correct and I didn't question the Cavalier's reliability at all. The last Cavalier I drove was a rented 2001 sedan that was less than a year old. It was decidedly inferior to the '91 Mazda Protege DX I owned at that time and didn't compare with a Toyota Corolla I'd rented back in '96, either.

    The Cavalier felt old and loose--maybe it was a good car for the money if priced low enough.

    I had a '85 Pontiac Sunbird when it was new, and it was similar to the Chevy Cavalier. I liked it except that when the air conditioning was turned on, it felt like it was heading straight uphill; that car was REALLY slow when using the A/C. It was adequately powered with the A/C off, but there was no passing power--just adequate acceleration.

    The newer Cavlier seemed to be improved in that respect but it lacked the solid feel of its competitors. The Cobalt (it's the same car as the Opel Astra) is a much better car from everything I've read about it. I haven't yet driven one.............Richard
  • im so upste that the cobalt didnt but more into it, i likw how exterior looks, and i like how it comes with the new accessories, however,

    it still doesnt compete that much, I can think of one car in particular that is better than the cobalt, that is the Dodge SRT-4 why would someone pay an extra couple thousand for a car that doesnt beat out a car that is a couple thousand less
    srt- HP kills, its Liters And when u hear a SRT-4 comming down the road, u knnow it, it is loud like a muscle car,, the cobalt is just a pretty little girl, i am very upset because i would rather have the cobalt but knowing that chevy had a chance to make it better than a Car that already existed b4 the cobalt is upsetting.

    now i want to feats my eyes on the 2006 Monte, or hell, even the SS malibu looks tight with a atpup/tap down shifter the only upside to the Cobalt is Looks handling, but the truth is, how r gonna really tell a difference in handling when u spend most of ur car life in traffic, cutting people off, your not going to be spinning in circles and going through cones, uggggg
    SS Malibu or SS monte cobalt ur hott but nothing there
    JJ
  • sorry for the spelling
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Just so you know for another time, you have 30 minutes to edit your post after posting - during that time you'll see an Edit link either to the right of or just below the post's title.

    Also, if you want to, you could use Check Spelling feature which is just to the right of the Post My Message box. (You don't have to, of course - perfect spelling is not required!!)

    :shades:
  • im so upset that the cobalt didn't but more into it, i like how exterior looks, and i like how it comes with the new accessories, however,

    it still doesn't compete that much, I can think of one car in particular that is better than the cobalt, that is the Dodge SRT-4 why would someone pay an extra couple thousand for a car that doesn't beat out a car that is a couple thousand less
    srt- HP kills, its Liters And when u hear a SRT-4 coming down the road, u know it, it is loud like a muscle car,, the cobalt is just a pretty little girl, i am very upset because i would rather have the cobalt but knowing that chevy had a chance to make it better than a Car that already existed b4 the cobalt is upsetting.

    now i want to feats my eyes on the 2006 Monte, or hell, even the SS malibu looks tight with a tap up/tap down shifter the only upside to the Cobalt is Looks handling, but the truth is, how r gonna really tell a difference in handling when u spend most of ur car life in traffic, cutting people off, your not going to be spinning in circles and going through cones, uggggg
    SS Malibu or SS monte

    cobalt ur hott but nothing there
    JJ
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    How are you going to tell a half second difference in acceleration times when you're spending most of your car life in traffic? When will you have time to burn out your clutch for a few top speed runs?
  • muffin man, you are right, there is really no point in buying these type of cars if u live in the washington dc area, new york, detroit, san fran, LA and wereever ele a big city lies.
    if you are smart you just go buy a powerful automatic, like the monte carlo, or wait for the SS malibu, or impala.

    also let me tel you all, there is no better company than chevy, u can match any car up with a chevy,, chevy has everything to high power to aveo. no company has put more out to satisfy.

    i cant stand the european vehicles, like the biggest rip is the Audi's, well anyway, off topic, point is ifur a city or suburb of city, the cobalt SS isnt that good of an idea. and personaly, i dont understand why you wouldnt just go for the SS in a cobalt if you bought one.
    also highway cars, i think the cobalt will have a tuff time on the highway, the best highway car is prob the monte and impala, i also have a 97 lumina LS and i am having trouble getting rid of that car for a cobalt i dont think it is better, i think the cobalt will loose its value like a hamburger on a grill
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    While Cobalt will not hold value like a Civic, it will be better than the Cavalier and may turn out to surprise you given it's a very good car. Assuming there are no major issues with Cobalt, I can see the demand in the used market being quite good for this car.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    In the July MotorTrend magazine, according to Intellichoice, the Cobalt is projected to be one of the top cars in resale value when grooped with 5 other cars in this class. The # 1 in depreciation was the Audi A4 1.8T, followed by Toyota Corolla XRS, Mazda 3S, Focus ZX4 ST, Cobalt LS, and surprisingly the Kia Spectra SX. All cars except the Kia were at least $19,000, with the Audi closer to $20,000. The Cobalt was also beat the Corolla, though slightly, in mpg.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    My 2005 Mazda3S hatch was about $2,000 cheaper than that. And mine was a hatch -- the sedans are cheaper.

    Meade
  • there is no power to this car or any type of car of its kind.

    why would people buy cars of this kind, i get that it is cool to suup them up and all, but it still is a small economic car. Hp does nothin with front whell drive right?

    Hp benifits the back wheel, so when it says 205 Hp everyone gets up about it, when really that is drag Hp as opposed to being pushed from the back.. i just dont understand why they have to be front wheel drive, why cant american cars be different and put everything like it used to be, fast.

    i have another issues with trucks, why are these forighn vehicle people making these fancy trucks, a true truck person would get a truck for it heavy dutiness or its speed such as srt 10 for dodge and extreme, whats with all this titan heated seats and gps crap,
    but anyway, im not bashing the cobalt i am just a little angry it didnt have more, i really wanted one of these a couple months ago, but it didnt boom like i thought it would, i thought it would be front cover motor trend or consumer report,
    they just say thank god for the optional side air bags or it would be crap at saftey test..
    but would people in this chat seriously get a SS cobalt over A SS monte carlo, im just wondering,? thats the only pickle i am in

    Im looking at rge SRT-4 the cobalt, or monte carlo ,

    also one more thing, is there a big diff in stick and auto as far as acc and speed, im guessing stick is twice as good with these small car.
    and if someone knows, whats the 0 to 60 for monte carlo SS
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    As you have probably seen young people like small cars, unlike the heavy Monte Carlo. The Monte Carlo is no doubt a sporty car with good ride, handling, comfort, and above average performance, but it is a large car. I too was looking at the Monte Carlo over a-year-ago, very nice. Though it gets 20 mpg city, and 30 mpg hwy, I want something that does a little better now. It's 0-60 is around 8 seconds from what I recall. The 2006 face lift is not enough in my opinion, though they upgraded the interior. 2007 supposedly will go back to rear-wheel-drive.

    The Cobalt SS and Neon SRT battled it out in Motor Trend magazine a couple of months ago. Because of their size, weight, these cars are much quicker than the Monte Carlo, base Mustang, and others. Both had quarter mile times of 14.2 seconds, which is flying, with respectable 0-60 as well. The Cobalt edged the Neon overall.

    Import/domestic sub-compact and compact cars are hot, especially out West. Honda has been the leader in this segment because of all the aftermarket parts available for bolt-on. It is not uncommon for people to spend $10,000-15,000 to soup-up their 4-cylinder engines. Why you ask? Because its their choice, and they think its cool. The Cobalts coming on strong with many companies starting to produce after market parts including GM, which has a special parts catalog for dress-up, and performance.

    As far as the foreign trucks go that is also a choice that people make. Marketing/commercials is what creates interest in these vehicles. Most people don't buy pickup trucks to carry things, or pull loads. It is a way of expressing themselves, trendy. People want trucks with the comfort of cars, go figure..

    As far as the Titan, you can have it. I personally only buy domestic, especially trucks. The Titan is having a hard time selling in the Midwest from where im from. I have only seen 5 on the road thus far since its release. I counted 5, and I am very observant. From what I hear, the Titan is not a very good truck and is falling apart or becoming a rattle trap very early into ownership.
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