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Chevrolet Cobalt

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  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,767
    Are you talking about the brand new Civic or the last gen? The last gen was very much vanilla. I even think that the 96-2000 design was better looking.

    The styling on the new Civic is definately love it or hate it, but it definately looks new and doesn't look anything like a Corolla.

    I'm not crazy about the design myself but I give them credit for the agressive, futuristic styling whereas the Cobalt just looks like an updated Cavalier. The Cobalt easily could have been a 1995 instead of a 2005.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I am talking about the new Civic, the long wait, the boring look-a-like Japanese car. I agree with the write-ups I have read thus far, another Corolla like car with a different badge. Not an ugly car, but one that does not stand out. As I stated before, in my opinion the plain Cobalt has better styling.
  • With the red tag specials, as in future pricing on GM cars, the Cobalt should be somewhere in the $12K to $15K range, so that ain't so bad a deal. But $22K for little GM car??? Heck, I would not pay more than $20K for an Impala.

    I totally agree with you about it not making sense at over $20k. No car of this size is worth that.

    I think the Cobalt SS Sedan is sharp looking, but even with red tag pricing it'd be about $19k. I don't understand how someone can justify optioning a compact car well into mid-size prices. For instance, $20k will buy you a Cobalt SS 4-door with every option, a Malibu 2LT with everything but sunroof and leather or an Impala LS with ABS.

    I'd rather have more car with less options.
  • With the red tag specials, as in future pricing on GM cars, the Cobalt should be somewhere in the $12K to $15K range, so that ain't so bad a deal. But $22K for little GM car??? Heck, I would not pay more than $20K for an Impala.

    I totally agree with you about it not making sense at over $20k. No car of this size is worth that.

    I think the Cobalt SS Sedan is sharp looking, but even with red tag pricing it'd be about $19k. I don't understand how someone can justify optioning a compact car well into mid-size prices. For instance, $20k will buy you a Cobalt SS 4-door with every option, a Malibu 2LT with everything but sunroof and leather or an Impala LS with ABS.

    I'd rather have more car with less options.


    Ah, the beauty of choices - I think it's great to have 3 totally different cars (size/features/etc) at one price. I think a loaded Cobalt SS sedan at $20K is a good buy - think of it as an A4 for $15K less with similar size/features/performance (it's interior isn't as nice, but it's reliability is better and with $15K I'll get a used Solstice in a few years). Besides, the average cost of a new car is something like $27K.
  • I took an extended, and unsupervised, test drive in a Cobalt SS on saturday - and you can not compare the driving experience to anything available in that price range. Definitely not the Mustang V6, which has a completely different feel. In my opinion, the Cobalt SS is the top performering FWD coupe (have to qualify this somehow) in its price range.

    Notes:
    A) The SRT-4 is out of production, right? (even though the SS is the better all around car, it's hard to argue with the raw acceleration of the Dodge)
    B) I have not driven and am not including the officially unreleased 2006+ Civic Si.
    C) I am including the Acura RSX-S in the cars that are outclassed by the Cobalt SS
    D) The available Recaros are amazing!
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Speed Channel had test drives of the new Si. If ya like FWD cars, and want something for sport at around $20K or under, it may indeed be the Civic Si. With 197HP, the engine sings. Add a blower and get around 295HP. Game over.

    Personally, in the price range I would consider an Acura RSX next year, if looking for FWD. And since I don't live in snow country, my first choice in $20K on up cars would be RWD.
    As for the Cobalt - good econo car in the less than $15K class.

    Another option for HP per dollar may be a used 2002 Camaro SS.

    loren
  • avemanaveman Posts: 122
    A point was made about the Civic Si regarding noise. on a road trip, they mentioned that they wished the car would shut up after a while. Some may find the power band of the Cobalt SS more to their liking.
  • I own a 2006 ION 3 manual with the 2.4 L engine. The MSRP was a little below $16,000---much lower priced than a comparable Cobalt SS.
  • I wonder how '06 sales are going for the ION? The prices are pretty dang good this year with GM's new pricing structure. Particularly if you can refrain from ordering too many options. The ION2 effectively competes against cars like the Kia Rio, Chevy Aveo, Suzuki Forenza and Hyundai Accent. That is by no means an insult, just to say that with an ION2 with few options you can get a lot more car for the same money as those Korean imports. It's also cheaper than cars like the Kia Spectra, Hyundai Elantra, GM's own Chevy Cobalt and a lot of others in the lower end of the subcompact class, while offering as many features and good performance.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I see a lot of IONs areound these days. I would think the car is selling pretty well these days from what I see. The 06 is much improved over the first year.
  • bporter1bporter1 Posts: 229
    I actually see the older ION's on the road more often than the newer ones (ie 05's and 06's). Anyway, a well equipped ION3 is actually cheaper than a comparable Cobalt, Civic, Corolla etc. The only thing that is a negative for me, is the side impact ratings. Where the Cobalt, Corolla, and new Civic did pretty good in the side impact ratings , the ION did poor. Other than that the car is pretty decent.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    The Ion actually did better in the NHTSA side impact test than the Cobalt, until Cobalt redesigned the interior panel.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Was it the interior design, or the edition of the side air bags. I saw on Dateline NBC that both the Corolla and Cobalt models that didn't have the optional side air bags performed poorly, but those that did performed acceptable, which was the top rating for the compact car class.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    There are two different US testing organizations - the Insurance Institute, funded by insurance companies, at www.iihs.org, and the US government agency, the National Highway and Traffic Safety bureau, which publishes tests at www.safercar.gov .

    If you read the actual test for the 2005 at safercar.gov, it states that the side crash results changed during the model year cycle due to a change in the door padding.

    I didn't see Dateline, but they were probably talking about the more severe iihs.org side crash test (since neither car did poorly in the government test). In the iihs tests, no car (regardless of brand or model) passes without side curtain airbags. (Side "curtain" airbags - there were a couple of models that barely passed with ONLY side curtain air bags, but NO cars passed with side TORSO - the more common type until recently - airbags. Combo side airbags seem to work fine, you just can't do well without the head protection, since the IIHS test hits a pickup size sled into the side of the test vehicle, and in some tests the dummy head actually makes contact with the intruding pickup.)
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
    Cobalt. No one has posted since Dec.16th. I thought by now someone would have something to say!!!!!!!
  • Anyone seen Cobalt sales figures YTD? Just wondering.
  • As of 11/05 the Cobalt had sold 195,839. Sure it'll hit the 200k mark. Not too shabby.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Though a different car, it's down a bit from where the Cavaliar left off. It probably will be one of the top 10 sellers though.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,767
    They were selling Cavs for about $9,995 at the end. At that price, you could move anything. They sell a few less cars but for a respectable price, they're better off.
  • I am having the same problem with the brake light coming on has yours been fixed? If so what did they do to fix it.
  • avemanaveman Posts: 122
    I was glad to see a new article in the Inside Line section about inteiors. I almost cringe when I here people complain about the hard plastic in their cars. To my knowledge, the plainer the plastic the better. The softer plastic has toxic chemicals in it that give of harmful poision gases. Instead of people demanding safe plastics in their cars,many people are actually crying out for the most dangerous types of plastic. It was good that GM was not mentioned as a company that had the higher levels of toxicity from their interiors.
    I would much rather breath cleaner air in my car than have soft touch surfaces that are not as safe. Toxic gases are really bad for you, and I would like car makers to do a better job of selling people on plainer but safer surfaces in their cars.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    There is a selector switch for outside air / recirculate air. Just use outside air, or open a window on your new car. I have always done this, and I assume many-many more people realized that new car smell as something bad, and opened up their vents, or windows. Not rocket science to understand.

    The hard plastic may or not work out OK. I really don't know. My PT seems to have hard plastic on the dash, and so far no squeaks. I guess if it doesn't squeak, looks OK and lasts over the years, harder plastic is something to live with. The Cobalt hard plastic looks cheap to me, but if other like, so be it.

    Loren
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Plastic is plastic. No such thing as cheap when it comes to plastic. Plastics have been around for decades in cars and now within the last 10-15 years, suddenly, auto writers for some reason like to include this in their review even though it has no merit.
  • ron_mron_m Posts: 188
    Plastic is plastic. No such thing as cheap when it comes to plastic. Plastics have been around for decades in cars and now within the last 10-15 years, suddenly, auto writers for some reason like to include this in their review even though it has no merit.

    No, plastic is not just plastic. There are nylons, PBTs, filled and unfilled, etc. Glass reinforced plastics have very different mechanical properties than unfilled plastics. Some plastics have an elongation at break value of only 5% while others have up to 150% and even greater in certain cases. The amount of strain that certain types of plastics can withstand is dramatically different than others. You can take an interior part and mold it in two different types of plastics using identical design geometry and the strain values will be identical when the parts are constrained the same and deflected/loaded identically. However, even though the strain values are the same, one will break before the other due to the plastic's flexural modulus, flexural strength and elongation at break properties. So no, plastic is NOT just plastic. You may think so from a cosmetic appearance standpoint at some distance from the eye, but when it comes to strength and performance there can be tremendous differences in plastics.

    Ron M.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I meant from an appearance stand point. My 1992 Chevy truck has excellent plastic material that has just started to fade by the top of the door panel but other than that it is just plastic. I could re-dye it if I was picky but the truck is over 10-years-old and it isn't a big deal.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Nope, there are cheap looking plastic parts, and then there are better looking and feeling plastic parts. I guess if you are thinking GM, parts is parts. But then again, how are they going these days?

    My guess is that some day GM won't be selling econo cars at all; at least in the USA. China will be the market for those cars. In USA Korea and Japan makes will dominate the econo scene, with possibly a couple of Fords thrown in there. GM will be Cadillac, GMC trucks, Corvette, and perhaps a couple of special looking cars, as does Chrysler.

    Loren
  • More problems seem to be surfacing...wondering if anyone else has heard of or is having these problems...when I have the fan on level 1 when I first start the car, it makes a terrible noise...but goes away when I turn the fan up...usually goes away on 1 after the car warms up. Also having huge problems with getting the key out of the ignition...sometimes takes quite awhile to get it out...called the dealership yesterday and turning the steering wheel didn't work, nor did restarting the car and taking it out of park and back into park (I tried that one on my own every other time and it never works). Unfortunately, I live an hour away from my preferred dealership when I'm at school so it's a huge inconvenience to take it in...so much for buying a new car to avoid dealing with car problems throughout the rest of school...also wondering if anyone has suggestions on GM/Chevrolet dealerships in Grand Rapids, MI area? :mad:
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Just out of curiosity, please look at the label on the door jamb and post the "build date" of your car. I am wondering if it is one of the "early" '05's.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    GM or any other American manufacture will never go away from economy cars when they have some of the best on the market; additionally, GM will not be dropping brands to satisfy someone who thinks otherwise. GM will rebound from the current downfall and prosper in the near future.

    It will take people like yourself to change the way they are thinking and get over their perception of quality way of thinking. GM has had comparible quality for many years but the problem is there is more competition to chose from and people are killing the jobs and American auto industry by buying foreign vehicles. All this way of thinking because of things that happened decades ago. Consumers seem to like the status symbol of a foreign car for some reason and like to use the quality issue as their reason because they really don't have a clue.
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