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Buick LaCrosse

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  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    the lacrosse reminds me of a taurus too. but my post was somehow deleted!
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    I have not driven a LaCrosse, but all the reviews I have read comment on how very quiet this car is.

    As for the looks, I see some Taurus, some Jag and some Buick in it. It's ok, not spectacular. The inside of the car is much better than yurakm suggests though.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    Sure, everything concerning look and feel is very personal and subjective. Thousands and thousands of families are buying Aztec and like it very much. Some people like chrome; I do not like it. The same with fake wood. I just share my impressions.

    I did like the interior of La Crosse on pictures. After seeing it in reality on dealer lot (through window), I was disappointed by the plastic "wood". So much that I did not want even to test drive it.

    This is not an abstract discussion for me. I am replacing my 98 Malibu currently. My wife and I expect to drive the new car the next 10 years or so, and we do not like to be unhappy with the car every day for so long.

    We decided instead to buy an ex-demo 2004 Regal. Already signed all preliminary papers, and will receive it next week, November 30, 2004.
  • I drove a CXS on 11/27. Interior is somewhat smaller that what I thought. I am 6-0 and my head just touches in the rear. Fit in the front is fine, but no extra room to wiggle around on a long trip. Interior trim is nice, modern and well laid out.

    The 3.6L VVT engine is very nice. Punch the gas and the car scoots to 90 real quick. The car is very quite on the highway.

    In comparison, I drove the Pontiac G6 with a 3.5L on the exact same route. The G6 has much higher road noise and the engine never has the power it needs. The Buick CXS brakes and steering were much better, although with more body lean.

    The main selling points of the Buick LaCrosse CXS are the 3.6L engine and the hushness of the cabin.

    Figuring in a $2k cash back and invoice - $25k, not a bad deal. However, if the Ford 500 could get an engine like the 3.6L VVT, then the 500 would be my first choice.

    However, a used Cadillac CTS with the 3.6 might be a good compromise.

    The LaCrosse is the only Buick sedan I would buy. IMO, the 3.8L is just too old and not worth consideration.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "Figuring in a $2k cash back and invoice - $25k, not a bad deal."

    But, thats with no options, correct? The MSRP on the CXS is $29K.... I'd definitely add Stabilitrak and Side Curtain airbags.

    ~alpha
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    How did you come up with $2000 cash back? I only saw a $1000 rebate.
  • CXS with my options (PEC, U3l, AY1, R13) is $28k (invoice) - $2k cashback.

    Currently there is a $1k cashback. I really think in 6 months this will be $2k. This car is over priced by at least $2k. I may be speculating, but if there is $1k out of the gate, then $2k is going to happen.

    I would never pay $30k for this car, $26k maybe.

    If I had to pay $30k, I would get the new 2006 Avalon when dealers start dickering in late 2005.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    Anyone know if the nine speakers in the optional Concert Sound III system are brand name, e.g. Bose or Boston Acoustics, etc., or are they merely Delco paper cone speakers? How does the system sound if you've heard it? Is it really an audiophile system?

    Thanks.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    frasierdog, by the time that GM offers 2k back on this car, the price will have increased more than 1k. Mark my words...
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Not necessarily true. The Malibu hasnt really seen a significant price increase at list, despite incentives that hit $3500 cash back.

    It seems to me that GM built incentives into the pricing of this vehicle- compared to similar competitors, I agree that it seems at least $2000 overpriced. Sure, they will probably offset added incentive spending by increases at MSRP, but I dont think that by the time an additional $1000 rebate rolls around (to $2000 total), that the MSRP will be up $1000.

    GM started this whole thing, and now it seems they cant get out of the trap. Its a shame. Take a look at cars like Toyota's Camry. Now in its 4th model year, and nationwide, incentives range from $500 to $1000 cash OR low but not zero % financing options. And Honda's Accord only offers incentives at MY end, in its 3rd year.

    Very interesting piece on incentives, by Jed Connelly, Nissan's Senior VP of Sales and Marketing
    “Much Ado About Nothing Down – The Hidden Costs of Incentive Marketing”

    http://www.nissannews.com

    (Sorry, I cant post a direct link- to view the article, click on Corporate>Speeches>2004 Speeches>2004 California Auto Show Keynote Address [Oct. 27, 04])

    ~alpha
  • johnclineii, The CXS may go up $1k very well indeed. But I do not think it is worth any more than $26k, it is simply too small.

    The LaCrosse could never be an executive's car with that small of a back seat. At least in a Camry you can put 2 adults in the back seat.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Excellent Artice !! Thanks.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Took a look at an Allure this weekend at my dealer. They had a nice red CXS in the front. I was impressed with the car's look and the price was reasonable, listing with leather and On Star for about the same as my Intrigue GL did 5 years ago.

    I would need to drive one as I am always suspect of Buick "handling" but if it's similar to my Intrigue I could see buying one to replace it in a couple of years.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I'm a bit surprised, I didn't they would like a Buick of any kind. Guess my initial like of this car is not unfounded.
  • I have ordered the CXS with side curtain aribags and the stabiltrak options. Cashmere metalic paint on outside and neutral leather with black accents oninside - like the Volvo S60 sports. No chrome package as I prefer the real Euro look which avoids the USA tinsel effect. See Mercedes, BMW for examples.

    Had considered and tested Honda Accord V6, Toyota Camry, Volvo S40 and S60. Allure met and exceeded all comers. Being made in GM Oshawa plant also a plus as it is second best plant inworld for quality of build. Also had great dealer support in Toronto with 2 test drives, both without sales rep on board and second drive lasting over an hour. Even had totop up the tank!

    Allure looks great(more like a Jag than anything else), rides great, handles great, and easy to park with excellent viz fore, aft,and to sides. Interior is indeed extremely quiet, seats are comfortable and secure in hi G turns and fit and finish is super - indeed Lexus level all round. Being quite tall, the telescoping steering wheel is much welcomed.

    Is there a drawback? Only one is the mandatory OnStar in the base price - but that was more than offset by a very fair discount off MSRP - about 9%. What with a RIM Blackberry at hand and CMA Plus membership, I doubt OnStar will get much use, if any.

    Can't wait to turn in my '98 Buick Regal a week from now. I expect within a year the LaCrosse/Allure will rank ahead of Accord and Camry in Edmond's user ratings. One last hope is that GM doesn't destroy resale value on this Buick by discounting it to fleet sales and car rental companies in the USA. Like Lexus, Buick will need to learn how to protect and preserve resale value of this most comparable car. Bob Lutz, are you listening?
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    coopergerry, did you get to listen to the Concert Sound III audio system?

    If so, how good did it sound?
  • Yes I did and it is noticably much better than Concert Sound II in my Regal - thanks to the Quiet Tuning feature plus auto volume adjustment with rising speed in the CXS. This is with the 6 speaker system so not much need in my view for the 9 speaker option.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    Corgrats Coopergerry. Which dealer in TO did you buy from?

    I also hope GM does not dump this car into fleets. My GP resale has been hurt by this I'm sure. I think GM should give the rental companies and fleets Malibu Classics and Impalas.
  • November sales - 3713.
  • Bought it at Brennan Pontiac Buick on Bayview just north of Eglinton. Sales rep was pleasant, knowledgeable, responsive.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    Congratulations!
  • Most modern DOHC V6 engines are teamed with 5 or even 6 speed automatic, so it is a bit surprising that GM chose a 4 speed instead of 5 or 6. Considering the fact that the Cadillac CTS has a 5 speed auto, they could have used that tranny for the Lacrosse. But overall the car looks promising and if reliability can match overall performance and refinement then the Lacrosse should do well.

    Couldn't GM find a better name for the car? Lacrosse sounds too French. :)
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Come to Ontario and you can buy an Allure instead.

    ;-)
  • "Considering the fact that the Cadillac CTS has a 5 speed auto, they could have used that tranny for the Lacrosse." The Cadillac CTS is a rear drive platform, and it's transmission wouldn't be a 'drop in' application for a fwd auto. GM and Ford are presently jointly developing a 6 speed for fwd applications that hopefully will be available for the '06 model year. The 6 speed Ford offers for their Five Hundred is sourced from Japan (Asin, or Aisin, I believe is the name of the manufacturer). So if you're looking for a reason to put off your LaCrosse/Allure purchase, this might be one.
  • Now that sounds more alluring. :D
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    I like Allure better. Not sure why.

    Congrats coopergerry! I used to work not far from there back in the early 90's (Eglinton and Laird). I had my car serviced there once or twice.

    Let us know how you like the car.
  • Please how much did you pay in Toronto? for the Allure.
    I am thinking of buying one(I have $3000 Gm points) but dread the rigmorale of bargaining.It's a shame that Costco does not sell cars in Canada like in the US.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    Has anyone seen the new TV ads? I have to say the CXS model looks really nice in the commercials. I think this is one of the better looking midsize sedans. It's plain, but not plain like the 500 or Camry. Hopefully they will make 18" wheels available in later years.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    try http://www.carcostcanada.com

    You pay a little and get the invoice cost and go from there. At least you know where a dealer can go.
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