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Buick LaCrosse

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  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    If you order the car you get the same incentives that one gets if buying off of the lot(rebates, financing, etc.). However, the incentives that are applicable when you order the car MAY NOT be the same incentives when you actually pick-up(buy) the car. For example, you order the car on the 15th of March but the car does not come in until the middle of April. The incentives could have changed from March to April. You get the incentives applicable in April in this case and NOT the incentives applicable in March.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    It is possible to disconnect OnStar from cables, power, etc. Or even to remove it completely. I had read that it is enough to disconnect it from antenna to make it not operational.

    Personally, I did not remove yet the gizmo form the Regal I bought recently. OnStar is in the trunk, attached by two big bolts to the rear left wheel arc. Removing them, most probably, involves removing rear wheel liner, than put it back. Had not time to do it, and the winter weather is not inviting. However, I am planning to do it in spring.

    Some people even sell removed OnStars on e-bay.
  • brood1213brood1213 Posts: 27
    All Cars today have a computer that with a court order can tell how fast you were going when airbags deployed. Onstar cannot track you without you calling them first to ask for directions. IF you want to use the stolen car feature you must have a police report to activate the tracking. It was the federal goverment who said cell phone carriers no longer had to carry the analog signal. So GM had to develop the digital system for Onstar to work.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    And you can believe that the tracking cannot work without your consent if you wish. It isn't true.

    GM was YEARS behind in adding digital capability for OnStar.

    But lets go on and talk about the LaCrosse...
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Are you still talking about the audio system in the LaCrosse? Given you are the only one complaining about it, I can only assume you were sitting in a defective car.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    You are starting to sound a little paranoid John.

    Are you one of those guys that hang out at the grassy knoll in Dallas?

    ;-)
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Or does John have a job such that he might have already read that decision and know of countless other unpublished decisions? Just wondering....

    Thanks priggly, for pointing out what I probably shouldn't here...

    --john who can speak ironically when he needs to be furtive...
  • robw64robw64 Posts: 76
    I've recently begun the investigation process of buying a new LaCrosse or Ford 500. By using GM BuyPower, Orange Buick GMC in Orlando offered an internet price $4,000 below MSRP on a CXS. I would recommend trying the BuyPower website and selecting a couple of the vehicles currently in their inventory. Good Luck!
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Nothing new in that article. Government has lots of ways of tracking people and since 9/11 that's only become worse. OnStar is no different than a cell phone really other than the better ability to find your car. Luckily up here, we do not have black government helicopters, we don't even have military helicopters that are less than 30 years old. LOL.
  • brood1213brood1213 Posts: 27
    Why would GM want to know where you are at?

    Maybe if you were at a chrysler/ford dealership they would secretly call the nearest GM dealer and tell them you were looking at competitive make???????
  • bigunit67bigunit67 Posts: 62
    Jumping back to the discussions on page 56 or so, I went to the St. Louis auto show the first part of February. I'm sure it's not much different than the auto shows elsewhere around the country...just not as many of the "what-if" vehicles.

    Anyway, being a Regal GS owner, I checked out the Buick floor-space and found...tumbleweeds. They had very few onlookers checking out what they had to offer, unfortunately. The Rainier SUV was getting a few cruise-bys and "butt-on-seat" comparisons, but that was about it. The LaCrosse did get a few folks to check it out, but nobody was lingering for very long. The auto show was a Thursday - Sunday event and I was there all day Saturday, so that is as wide a cross section of people as any day would offer, I'd say. Maybe more younger people but also more "older" people not having to be at work, also.

    At the Toyota site, though, they were drawing a comparative crowd around the new Avalon. I had to wait in line for several minutes to get my quality time behind the wheel. When you're talking upper 20's - mid 30's price for a full-sized car packing a 280 HP/260 Torque engine, hwy mileage estimates ranging up to the low 30's, and Toyota quality (whether real or imagined)....it's hard to pony up nearly that same amount for the top of the line LaCrosse.

    I'm not knocking what I don't own, trust me. I've had my Regal for 4 years now and am mostly satisfied with it. I've talked with two guys I know that have bought the LaCrosse and they both feel it's a quality car. That isn't my point. But I'd think most folks would look at the LaCrosse as evolutionary versus revolutionary (something that Buick could use, judging by the latest sales numbers for the brand).

    (Personal Rant Section) It's just sad that GM has to pigeon-hole a brand in so many way. Buick can't go out and build a hot, top of the line car because we don't want to take away from Pontiac or Cadillac sales totals and we have to maintain a certain pecking order. Maybe shaking up the order once in a while would do the company good. It's ironic to see a 1987 Buick Regal Grand National on sale in my home town for $15,000 and see people checking it out each time I drive by. Yes, I've slobbered over it a few times myself.

    It's not a business unit's only standard for success, but I wonder if there is anything that Buick is putting on showroom floors in 2005 that will be similarly fawned over come 2023???
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Unfortunately Buick has a poor image with the under 50 crowd and I'm not convinced that Tiger Woods does much for the brand. Nobody thinks Buicks are poor quality, they just think they are old people cars and it takes a LONG time to change that. Olds started down that road but GM cut the trip short. Hopefully Buick will continue down this more modern car path. The Rendezvous is quite popular with young families and the LaCrosse could be a great Camry fighter if GM would really take aim and stop saying it's a Lexus fighter. Only in CSX form would it be close to a Lexus fighter and 60-70% of sales will be 3800 powered CX and CXLs. Marketing should be aimed at Camry buyers.
  • lindseylindsey Posts: 41
    fredvh: Thanks for the incentive information. I hate to pose that type of question to the salesman. I like to have as much or more information than the salesman, if possible.
  • lindseylindsey Posts: 41
    robw64: Thanks for the reply. Is the $4,000 below MSRP exclusive of the incentives? I often find that salesmen talk about big discounts, but without saying so they are including the incentives. If that is exclusive of incentives, I might have to give Orange Buick a ring.
  • brood1213brood1213 Posts: 27
    One answer I think that would attract younger generation is the Velite. That is s very sharp convertible.
  • I agree with the above post that thinks the LaCrosse should be marketed to compete with the Camry rather than the Lexus.

    We looked at the LaCrosse as an alternative to an Acura TL or Lexus ES330. Even in top form, we came away underwhelmed, mostly due to the lack of the following available options:
    -- Navigation -- although many think it's a "toy", we've come to enjoy greatly the nav in our 01 Lexus RX300. GM makes it optional in cars like its Trailblazer, so I am mystified at this misstep.
    -- Gauges -- An 05 Corolla LE now comes standard with Optitron gauges. While I will admit that LaCrosse has the nicest gauges I've seen in a Buick, they don't convey an image of anything more than "OK."

    The different equipment levels has me puzzled, too. Acura is highly successful with a 'one level of equipment' platform. It's the car plus optional Nav, and that's about it. A TL is a TL is a TL. I think a LaCrosse should be the same...fully loaded, for $27K including an in-dash nav.

    But hey, we're only government workers who happens to be in the age (38 and 42) and income bracket that Buick aims to attract.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I think the coming Lucerne may be more of a Lexus / Acura fighter than the LaCrosse. It seems from pictures to have a nicer interior. I may look at a base CXS to replace my Intrigue in a few years though. Like you, I'm not rich and with kids and an eventual move to a bigger house, the Buick will suit our needs just fine. It's near luxury feel is pretty good value, especially when the incentives really hit in late summer.
  • brood1213brood1213 Posts: 27
    Look at the pictures of the Lucerene and the new DTS. The controls are exactly the same from the pictures. They would be built side by side.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,370
    What pictures are youi talking about? Links?
  • brood1213brood1213 Posts: 27
    Go to www.gm.com

    General Motors main site
    You would see The company
    It would drop down click on auto show
    Click on Chicago
    Then the menu
    you would see a picture of the DTS Steering wheel and the Lucerne's which look the same.
    Open those up and look at the interior and the place of the controls look like the same car
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,370
    Thanks for the link info.
  • cboy_24cboy_24 Posts: 6
    Recieved a price quote of $17,500 (after discounts and rebates) for a CX model. Seems like a pretty good price. Is there much of a difference between the CX and CXL?
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    That seems like a very good price. No sidebags however if that is important to you. CXL adds leather seats, a rear split folding rear seat, driver info center, power driver lumbar support(NICE), theft alarm, lighted vanity mirrors, aluminum wheels, and a leather steering wheel. Some of these are available as options on the CX. What options are on the CX and what is the MSRP?
  • cboy_24cboy_24 Posts: 6
    The MSRP is $23,625. The only option on the quote is the power driver lumbar support. The only other option that I would really like to have is the sidebags. The salesman is also checking to see if I am eligible for another $1,000 discount for customer loyalty.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Hi cboy. Can you break it down so I can see how we get from the MSRP of 23,625 to his price of 17,500? Thanks
  • cboy_24cboy_24 Posts: 6
    He started with MSRP of $23,625 and discounted it down to $22,198. Then there were about $5,000 of rebates. There are a couple of incentives for $1,500 (end 3/31) and a car show rebate of $500 (end 3/16). We have $1,500 GM points and an additional bonus of $1,000 (end 3/31). I don't know where his other $500 comes from. Also, I think I can only use $1,000 of GM points.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    I only thought that there was a single $1500 rebate on the LaCrosse. The dealer told you that there were TWO separate $1500 rebates?
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    Do you get any GM employee pricing?
  • cboy_24cboy_24 Posts: 6
    Sorry for the confusion. There is only one $1500 rebate
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