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Cadillac DTS

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  • The Lexus and the Avalon have far better resale value than any Cadillac but you can certainly avoid a big hit the first year by doing what I do and buying a year old "certified" Cadillac. My '03 cost $27k in January of '04 with 29k miles. It now has 55k and has needed nothing in the way of serious repairs. It came with a 6 year 100k 0 deductible warranty as well so it will be covered until October of 2008 (as long as I don't exceed 100k). My next one will have less mileage on it when I buy it but the '03 still looks brand new inside and out and drives like a new car as well. I agree with you on the Avalon. I found it comfortable to drive in the suburbs (I'm 5'10" so leg room was ok) but felt light on the road and the wind and road noise was annoying after awhile. The car magazines stress that this is a full size car but it isn't.
  • I liked the comment on the "German Chevrolet". In Europe there are many Mercedes taxis and I understand that they produce (or used to produce) less expensive models that you can't get over here .
  • beardiebeardie Posts: 44
    I have the exact same thought re. a CPO Cadillac DTS. I've questioned a few dealers re. this and reluctantly they have to admit that if you get a CPO model 1 year old with limited milage, you're actually getting a better warranty than with a brand new car.My plan is to try to find a low milage 2007 in about 5 months.I know a lot of people are afraid of program cars, but I bought a Grand Prix program car for my daughter in 2002, and it's been trouble free! I guess there's a few different ways to go instead of putting down 40 big ones!
  • Enjoyed your post very much! I own recent models of Cadillac Deville and Lincoln Town Car. I enjoy them both. They have plenty of power and are very comfortable cars. The Lincoln is more quiet with softer suspension and the Deville may have a little more power. My Deville is the second I have owned, so far I have had no major problems with either of my Cadillacs and have only owned the Lincoln for several months. As long as my American cars continue to provide the reliablilty as they have to this point I will not be buying a foreign car. The cars I own simply look better to me than any foreign luxury car I have seen. I also like the Chrysler 300C and SRT and may replace my Latest Deville with one of them. I owned a Chrysler LHS and while not a direct competitor to the Cadillac or Town Car it was a very pleasing experience.

    In my opinion the reason many Americans replaced their American cars with Japanese models was reliability factors and poor dealership service issues in the past. The Americans realize that they must do better in these areas and are. It is just a matter of if they do enough in time to save the American makers.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The problem is not the ground clearance, but the FWD frontend overhang. FWD's have too much overhang, and with the air dams to reduce the drag coefficient, the front end easily hits the ground on steeper driveways. The RWD sigma cars have much less frontend overhang.
  • Back in '04 the '03 program cars I looked at were all base models. Mine was an ex-Alamo rental car. A few months ago I looked at two 15,000 mile certified used '06 DTS's at a Fort Worth dealership and both had the Luxury II package along with a sun roof. You might also find a loaded lease return. I plan on getting at least the Luxury II package on the '07 I get in '08. The warranty IS better than a new one on a certified Cadillac but not on the other GM certified cars. They just tack three months onto the 36/36,000 mile warranty. With the 100,000 mile powertrain warranty on '07's "certification" which used to cost $1000 may cost less. I'm sure that some dealerships roll this fee into the sales price but if I wanted the '03 "certified" I had to pay an extra thousand dollars. I understand that in '06 this has gone up to $1500. It is still lots cheaper than buying a 6 year/100k mile GMPP on a new car.
  • guestguest Posts: 774
    I have the same thought re. a CPO car. My hope is to get an 07 in March. Hopefully, there'll be some around by then. I also got the $1000 price to certify a vehicle.Personally, I think it's negotiable. It's not a set price, but one set by the dealer. If they want to move the vehicle, I'm sure they'll be flexible with the certifying price. I saw an 06 the other day at a local dealer with 5,000mi on it. I tell you, you could not tell this vehicle was not brand new. It's amazing how they can detail these to look brand new. I'm hoping to find a Lux ll also, as I want the stability control on it which is standard on the Lux 11.The only thing I worry about is that most of the new re-sales are silver or some other very common color. I love the blue chip or chrimson(red). Guess I'll have to start looking early. Nowadays, with the computer, the whole country is a possibility, as far as finding a desired car is concerned.
  • Different people value a car's features personally. I'm 6-6 so the tremendous leg room of the 06 DTS was important. My wife and I play a lot of golf. Two sets of clubs and two two suiter suitcases still leaves room to spare in the DTS's almost 19 cubic foot trunk. Try that in a 2006 Lexsus GS430 at 12.8 cubic feet or an Avalon at 14.8. I turned down an Infinti M35X because of the small trunk plus the passenger seat had far fewer adjustments than the driver's, something you might hear about on a long trip (and something the testers never test). The DTS is very quiet, plenty of power and I never come close to testing its lateral grip on twisty roads so that is a minor consideration.The DTS is a wonderful turnpike cruiser for long trips.
  • eg98eg98 Posts: 9
    My sentiments exactly -- purchasing a lightly-used NorAm vehicle is the sweet-spot. When my Aurora gives up the ghost I will be looking for a low-mileage DTS. The low resale value of these vehicles is exactly what I love about them! ;)
  • beardiebeardie Posts: 44
    Couldn't agree with you more. As mentioned, I'm 6'1" and have a great deal of difficulty getting comfortable in my Lexus ES330. People constantly complain about the quality of domestic brands, but read some of the Honda, Toyota etc. boards and you'll see that some have their fair share of problems too. Taking 10K off a one year old luxury car seems quite appealing, and I don't see where Caddie owners are suffering that many more problems to warrant the extra big bucks.My daughter, looking for an SUV, wanted the Pilot. No big discounts available, would have run about 32K+. I found a similarly equipped Merc Mountaineer(new 06), where the dealer took $9600 off MSRP.$23,900 equipped well, with leather, stability, etc. etc. I said you have to be nuts not to go for it. I know they're worse on gas, but that's a heck of a lot of gas to make up for $9600. It's not just the gas issue. It's the perception that domestics are worse. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I don't see it!
  • I'll get either silver or beige so I don't have a problem with color. I'll also search throughout the country for a low mileage '07 in '08. It is relatively cheap to fly most anywhere and drive it back. Hopefully my dealer in Ft. Worth will get one in with enough notice. It is only a 6 hour drive from Clovis NM.
  • My '03 Deville has required virtually nothing in the way of mechanical repairs. The radio skipped on CDs occasionally so the dealer replaced it. I had a slight wind noise along the vertical edge of the right rear passenger window and the dealer replaced a large frame piece that contained the rear quarter window ($900 if I'd been paying for the job). The dealer said that if I had had the complaint on a Chevrolet GM would have done nothing except check the weatherstripping. I have a friend with an '03 CTS that he drives all over the country and it has required nothing in the way of warranty repairs (it too was a Certified Cadillac). My '06 Impala now has 8000 miles on it and has not had any problems. I don't think there is anything wrong with domestic cars. My experience with Japanese cars (and I've owned a few -my wife has an '05 Odyssey) is that the silly periodic 'checks" cost a fortune .I just get oil changes every 3k miles on the Odyssey and ignore the service "recommendations". Apparentely the foreigners like to "tinker" with their cars. I just like to drive them and change the oil on schedule.
  • merckxmerckx Posts: 565
    I'm debating which of the two to buy for my wife. I think the DTS is a very good-looking sedan, but my wife worries that it might be a little too big to be fully manuverable and parkable. Do many here feel the car's size gets in the way of fully enjoying it?
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    I've had both and see no difference. I just got the STS after checking out both. For me I couldn't fit the DTS in my garage due to having a Honda Goldwing motorcycle that sits in the front of the garage. The STS gives me about 18" to spare where the DTS would have been right on top of the bike. I'll say one thing for my STS with nav. package is it sure is a big step up from my 99 STS. I got the V6 and am very happy with the power. This car does it all. With a 600+ page owners manual and a 200 page Navagation manual there is a steep learning curve. Of course most of it once you set it up for you and the wife you can forget about it. The STS is more sporty and you won't see as many but the quality on mine is outstanding. It is built in Lansing, Mi. where Lansing has alway enjoyed a reputation for building excellent quality vehicles. Either one will give you years of happyness so to me it's a win win deal. :blush:
  • pflyerpflyer Posts: 25
    Lived in Clovis in the mid 80's. Air Force. Look on eBay and Autotrader. You can find same model year cars for almost half off (or close). Several sellers with 100% feedback always have DTS's in their eBay stores. Best wishes.
  • lanzzlanzz Posts: 75
    Merc - I think the STS is definitely a more manageable package in terms of size. Also, the handling of the STS is better in good weather. I opted for the DTS because I wanted front wheel drive for winter driving, and also, I felt the seat comfort in front and in the rear was better in the DTS. The DTS is a little wide for moving in and out of traffic here in NYC, but you get used to it. The power folding mirrors help out if you need to squeeze through a tight spot, and the front and rear parking sensors really help in judging where the front and back of the car are when parking.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    If you were worried about snow why not the STS4 all wheel drive?
  • lanzzlanzz Posts: 75
    Wanted a V8, and getting into an STS4 V8 was simply more than I wanted to spend. Even with the GMS discount that is offered by my employer, the difference in price was significant.

    Also, the STS4 comes with performance-biased tires - lots of people on a Cadillac forum have mentioned that even the AWD STS4 needs snow tires. Cannot deal with the hassle of buying a second set of tires, doing the changeover, and storing the other set.
  • The local dealer has a certified DTS with the Luxury II package and sunroof so apparentely (unlike 2003) these program cars -ex-rental cars and lease terminations -are coming in with some optional equipment. In the past they were pretty much base models. This is the way to go. It is nice to get a $46,000 car with a 100k protection plan for $32,000.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    I have a STS4 and my 07 came with Energy LX4 tires so maybe Cadillac heard the cries and changed the type of tires that are used on the all wheel drive. Of course mine being the V6 may be the reason for the type of tires as the V6 don't need performance tires.
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