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2005 Kia Spectra/Cerato

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    Forenza? That is the Daewoo Lacetti badged to be a Suzuki Forenza, selling for around $12,500 pretty well equipped, and it is also the car Daewoo designed mostly with new gear to replace thier Nubira model. Is it poor gas mileage you don't like, cheap interior, or what? I may have read your report on it before but I can't remember your reasoning on it. Did you see it at an auto show somewhere recently? Looks-wise it seems fine to me but I haven't gone to any specific threads to read about what people are digging or complaining about Forenza on.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    That's what this board seems to be turning into lately... and we actually have a "Low-End Sedans" board to compare all these cars!

    I think the 3 is an excellent small car, especially in 3s guise. But when a person could spend $4000 less compared to the 3i sedan and get a sedan or hatchback with power everything, moonroof, ABS/traction, leather, Kenwood MP3 stereo, alloys w/Michelins, SABs, a great balance of ride and handling, the best seat adjuster in the industry (per C/D), proven "above average" reliability (per CR), and a longer warranty to boot, with only 10 horses less than the 3, I think that's a compelling bargain. As for IIHS ratings, we'll have to wait until they release the scores for the 3 and for the '04 Elantra--I suspect they'll do that at the same time, since they usually release test results of like-class cars together.

    I just got back from an out of town trip where Hertz gave me a Corolla. I could not wait to get out of that car! The seating position is terrible, the HVAC knobs feel cheap, and the ride, though smooth, is too bouncy for my taste. And I missed the little niceties like map lights, sunglasses holder, and a softly padded center arm rest. Compared to the new Spectra, the Spectra is the better car overall IMO. The ride is better, the interior styling a little bolder (same boring color palette as the Corolla though), brakes far superior (4-wheel discs vs. the groaning of the Corolla's brakes), standard side curtains, peppier engine, and more room inside. Much better driving position too (although not as good as the Elantra's). A better looking car also, IMO--more flair than the Corolla's "don't offend anyone" lines. Once Kia gets their quality reputation up a notch, Toyota should be worried. They already have Hyundai breathing down their necks on quality and reliability, now Kia is starting to make some fine cars.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    ive posted a response to recent comments in the board which you correctly recognize should contain this discussion.

    ~alpha
  • jimjpsjimjps Posts: 146
    I think we have to wait until someone drives a new Spectra5. I drove the Mazda3 Hatch and it is very good indeed, probably even the current benchmark, but not perfect. The gearing is one problem, revving too fast on the highway, and the styling is a personal thing, I think it will not look that good in a few years, and why didn't they give it traction control like the Spectra5 and you have to really pay if you want SAC. It may very well be in another league but I am going to wait and drive the Spectra5.
  • orangelebaronorangelebaron Posts: 435
    The Elantra had some changes and did better in the NHTSA tests for 2004. It got 5 stars for the frontal. The Mazda 3 got 4 stars which is disappointing because Volvo supposedly helped out with design and with all the technology that is available today, the HIC numbers should have been as low as Honda and Toyota's numbers.
    Anyway...the 3 is a great car to drive... but after the initial excitement is over you will realize it is not perfect. The drivers bottom cushion has no angle adjustment and when you raise the seat, it sort of feels like it's tipping you forward. The tires will cost you an arm to replace and the 3 is not available with normal wheels/tires unless you get the base model i sedan. According to the maintenance forum, people are having not-so-minor problems already.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    Actually the '04 Elantra got the same NHTSA scores in terms of stars that it got for the '01 model.

    As for the 3's seat height adjuster, for one thing it is optional on the 3i. The other thing is that Kia made a big mistake IMO and did the same thing with the new Spectra that Mazda did with the 3--went with a single-lever seat height adjuster instead of the dual-knob arrangement that they used on the previous models (the Protege for Mazda). Why they went with an inferior design on these new models, which has the drawback you mentioned, is beyond me--unless it's a cost-cutting move. But if Hyundai/Kia can afford to use the dual-knob adjuster on inexpensive cars like the Accent and Rio, I can't see where cost would be much of an issue. The 3's driving position is tolerable for me, but the new Spectra's is not--which is too bad for me because otherwise it's a fine small car.
  • psrockpsrock Posts: 2
    Actually yugoboy, it's noy propaganda. I sold Kias for 2 years and I can tell you they have a long way to go. Are they on the right track track?? Absolutely; light years ahead of most domestic competition already. Initial quality is definitely on par with Japanese brands. Long term is awful right now. Vans start to thunder over small bumps,and the whole Van rattles after around 20,000 miles.
    Rios and Spectras depreciate like a bat out of hell. Sorentos get God Awful gas mileage, and have a serious problem shifting into 4x4 on a slope. Better than some, yes. Better than Toyota or Honda??? Not even in the same league
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,677
    Correct, correct... it's difficult to discuss an upcoming vehicle when there's not a bunch of new info coming out, but let's do try and stay focuse on the new Kias rather than delving into comparisons. Thanks for the helpful info, backy.

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  • orangelebaronorangelebaron Posts: 435
    Backy... I just looked at the Kia website and the features for the new spectra do say "8 way adjustable seat."
    http://www.kiaspectra.com/site.html

    Also I looked again at the NHTSA site and compared the 2001 Elantra with the 2004. The 2001 had a driver's side HIC of about 482 and the 2004 was about 308 bringing the rating up from 4 stars to 5.
    http://www.nhtsa.com/NCAP/Cars/1694.html
    http://www.nhtsa.com/NCAP/Cars/2814.html

    We still need to see if IIHS will test the 2004, because their test is more realistic.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    On the Elantra's crash tests, we were both wrong. Both the 2001 and 2004 models got two five-star ratings and two four-star ratings; that is why I said they had the same ratings. But I didn't look carefully enough. The 2001 car got four stars on the driver's side and five stars on the passenger side. The 2004 got five stars on the driver's side but four stars on the passenger side. I think that's curious since there were no obvious deign changes on the passenger side to account for it.

    As for the "8-way" adjustable seat, let's do some counting:

    1. Seat slides fore and aft.
    2. Seatback reclines.
    3. Seat cushion height adjusts in a single arc, using a single control.
    4. Lumbar support adjusts.
    5. Headrest adjusts up and down.

    I'm not sure how they get 8. In fact, I'm not sure how Hyundai gets 8 even though they have an additional adjustment (total of 6). Maybe they both count "fore and aft" or "up and down" separately? ;-)

    I happened to check some of Kia's comparison data to other cars on the Spectra site, and based on the inaccuracies there (e.g. Elantra does not have an audio system standard, Mazda3s does not have power locks or mirrors standard) I don't know how much I can trust their other data.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    There's a $2000 rebate and a $1000 "conquest" rebate on the new Spectra now. With negotiated discounts, one could pick up a Spectra EX for the low $10s + T&L!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    WOW. What happened? Not enough advertising? I haven't seen any new Spectra ads. Even if you don't negotiate, a loaded Spectra EX that stickers for around 16 grand (I looked at the options pricing list, wrote down every option, added it up on a calculator and arrived at approximately $16K) is just $13K! A Civic can't beat that!
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    Ok I got a chance to see this car in person finally. It was not at the dealership but I saw one in a parking lot. It had the optional 15" alloys. Overall it looked pretty nice. I'm guessing the wheels in the Edmunds first drive pictures are the steel wheels that come standard on LX and EX right? Those don't look half bad either. I peeked through the window to look at the interior. I was really surprised how higher quality it looks compared to pictures. I still don't like the empty holes where buttons would go but other than that it looks to have nice quality materials in it. This car is a great value and getting one between $10k to $12k with the 5/10 year warranty is amazing.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    I don't think it's lack of advertising; I've seen lots of Spectra ads lately. I think the main problem is that the new Spectra has a negative history to overcome. People don't know how good the new Spectra is yet. So until it builds up a positive reputation, Kia will need to draw buyers in with rebates, as they did with the old Spectra. The other thing working against Kia is that Hyundai offers big rebates on the Elantra, which is pretty comparable to the Spectra except for the side air curtains. So Kia will need to match those rebates. A good deal for buyers while it lasts.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    shouldn't they rename it Cerato then?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Are you sure theres a $2000 rebate? Kia's website, autosite.com, and carsdirect.com all show a $1000 base rebate. On top of that, some customers may be eligible for the $1000 conquest rebate.

    But whered the $2000 base rebate come from?

    ~alpha
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    What is a Conquest rebate?
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    but I'm guessing that a conquest rebate would be when the dealer can sell a Kia to you and it's the first Kia you've ever bought, or the last car you bought was not a Kia. Kinda gimmicky but go with it because it saves you $1000! I wouldn't hesitate buying one of these new Spectra's a bit-but you all know how I feel about Kia, too! Absolutely great deal on a small car IMO!

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Is a bit more specified than you mention, iluvmysephia. If you go on Kia's website, theres a description of the program (its not called "conquest" but something similar). You have to own/lease one of the specified vehicles in your household to be eligible for the rebate. For example, if I wanted an All-New Spectra, I would be eligible, because I currently have a Nissan Sentra. But, if I wanted a Sedona, the Sentra ownership wouldnt qualify me- Id need to have a Quest or competiting minivan.

    Hope that helps
    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    I've seen dealers in my town advertising a $2000 rebate plus $1000 "conquest" rebate. Sometimes rebates are regional.
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