Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Suzuki Verona

1111214161760

Comments

  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote "Since 93 Octane is cleaner fuel it prevented fuel injectors from being clogged."

    ==========================

    93 isn't "cleaner". In fact the addition of antiknock compounds can be said to make it dirtier. Cleaning agents are added to all grades of gasoline making them essentially the same in the "clean" department unless you factor in the antiknock additives.

    My own car did not suffer from carbon buildup, but I have run 87 octane from the beginning. I really don't know why the "Premium" gas caused the carbon buildup, but to me that is evidence that 93 is at best no cleaner than 87. If you perceive an improvement in performance, that may be enough to make it worth an additional 20 cents a gallon to you. But unless I could see proof that it does improve performance in a given car, I would not pay that "premium" (pardon the pun) for something I do not believe can help your car in any way.

    BTW, your car automatically adjusts for octane, which negates the difference between 87 and 93 unless your car does meet one of the criteria for needing the additional octane.
  • carrinocarrino Posts: 39
    Hello everyone.Where can we get accessories for the verona(car bras etc).I thought someone had put up the web site, but i can't find it.Also, did anyone get traction control? My dealer could not find a verona ex with traction control in new york. I really liked it in my saturn, and wish i had it in the verona
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Hi there,
    Nice to see you after a long time!. You can try web sites: www.foreigncars.com or www.autosport.com. I am still in the process of finding it. I dont think its difficult to get Traction control models in PA. It seems available here. I got an S model for budget reasons and am very happy with it. I dont know how TCS makes a diff. Can you tell me?.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Hey Pat is post #405 missing?.
    Thanks
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Well, we all have the ability to delete our own posts ... maybe someone posted something and then changed his or her mind ... it happens. :)
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Just today I drove my Verona S ( no track control or abs) on 3" snow. It drove very well. In fact its heavy structure kept it on the road and didnt slip at all. How do our other members feel about Verona on snow?. There was also ice formation of the road. The Verona has Kumho H rated tires on it.
  • The discussions on power fascinate me. In 1960 I drove my 1959 Nash Metropolitan from Washington State to Chicago. It had all of 52 horsepower. Never had a problem keeping up with traffic. Not much passing though, there were not that many cars on the roads. Time passed and in 1973 I took my 1972 AMC Gremlin to Germany where I used it the next 4 years. The Gremlin was a step up in power. It had 110 horsepower. It cruised easily at 90 MPH on the Autobahns and kept up with all except the fastest Mercedes and Porsches. I never felt a lack of power. Now, I have the Suzuki Verona. It topped out at 120 MPH, according to the January 2004 Car and Driver magazine. Will I lack for power? I don't think so. But that's just me. If you drive a lot in high speed, cut and thrust traffic where rapid acceleration--Right Now--is essential for your style of driving, then you may be happier with more power.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    I agree about the power discussion. A lot depends on what you want from the vehicle an how you are used to driving as well as the driving conditions faced by the driver. I have found Verona to be very competent in all situations in the area I drive. The space it affords for me and my family is excellent. My Kids tell me that they feel more space at the back and find the ride very smooth.
    How's your Verona doing Marvin?
  • The Verona has only 600 miles on it due to a spell of inclement weather. The engine seems to rev more easily now and is silky smooth on acceleration. No mechanical breakdowns have appeared. The ride is excellent. I am surprised at how comfortable the car is. Not all is golden. I can feel a slight engine tremor in the steering wheel at idle. This is odd because the inline six is well balanced and road tests remarked on engine smoothness. At anything above idle the tremor disappears. It is never strong, but is noticeable when I do not have gloves on. The radio reception is not as good as my 1994 Chevy Caprice, perhaps due to the built-in antenna, perhaps not. Gas mileage is 19 MPG in a mix of local and highway driving. It is not as good as I expected. Still, the car is new and it is too soon to determine normal mileage. The seat warmers struck me as a useless frill. Now, I think that they are great. The car as a whole is the best assembled of any that I have owned. If I could make just one change, it would be to give my wife power seat adjustment on her side.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Its good to know that Verona is doing well. Yes I too notice a very slight tremor at the wheel at idling..its barely perceptible. I find that the radio varies in reception..sometimes its great..depends on your location. I think rear window freeze affects the reception as soon as it gets heated the reception improves. My has 625 miles and I ride in the city mostly. I have yet to evaluate the exact mileage.The heating is excellent and I often have to turn it off!!.
    Smooth ride so far with no start problems. Still using Octane 93 gas and the car runs great. I got a confirmation from Suzuki headQ that we could use 87 Octane or Higher fuel.Keep posting your views folks!!
  • lil302000lil302000 Posts: 149
    7,000 miles on the car, getting close to the first trip to the dealer. The car is doing great. I did have some cold start hesitation early on but that has not happened since after 3,000 miles. We have had some very cold and snowy weather here, the car drives as good as any other FWD car I have owned in the snow and ice. Any take care and talk to you later.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Its good to learn that after 7000 miles Verona is doing excellent. What fuel do you use?. Octane 93 or 87?. Do you use any appliances off the 12V outlet or lighter socket?. If so what are your experiences?. How have your friends/relatives felt about your car?. What color do you have?. I have a monarch blue and find salt spray easily visible.My Car is doing very well.
  • I was looking on Daewoo Korea's website and it looks like the Magnus (Verona) offers side airbags in Korea. So who knows maybe in a few years they will put them in. The only thing that I don't really like about the Verona is that they don't offer any other interior color except grey. Every one of my cars has had grey leather and I want tan but they won't offer it.
  • lil302000lil302000 Posts: 149
    I use either mid grade or high octane gas, the car seems to run a little better on higher octane. I don't know if it is any better or not but for a few cents what the heck. I have not used the 12V outlet yet but I would have to agree with an early post on the subject, in that I would avoid plugging anything in that would put a heavy load on the system. By the same token I don't think charging a cell phone would cause any problems. Both mom and mom in law like the car two facts that they noticed is one my mom drives a Town car that is one year old and noted that there is less road noise in the cabin of the Verona than the Town car. Two my mother in law is considering trading in her Mustang for a Verona. When my mom took a ride in the Verona she made me drive the Town car to prove her point that the Town car was not as quiet. When we returned she then lodged her complaint to dad about a $16,000 car should not be as quiet as a $35,000 car. We chose the gold, not my first choice but it is very easy to keep clean and we have had to many red cars already, in all fairness the gold looks better than most of the other gold cars parked next to it. The gold used on the suzuki is a little darker than most of the other manufactures seem to use.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    There's a rumor that the Daewoo Magnus will get a bigger version of the 2.5L I6 engine for the 2005 model year. The Korean 05 is supposed to come out around August or September. It's rumored to be either at 2.8 or 3.0. Does anyone know if this is true and if it might come into the Verona? :)
  • Hi all!
    I've been reading this board for the last week or so and decided to check the car out for myself.
    I walked into the dealership and there was a White Verona EX in the showroom. I've never been a fan of white cars so it did not impress me upon first glance. The interior on the other hand had the feel of a luxury car(leather, wood grain, power driver seat, heated front seats, and I especially liked the glow of the instrument panel). I then took a Sapphire Gray Metallic Verona EX for a test drive(was not too fond of this color either). The car does lack power, but it is an extremely quiet and smooth ride. IMO this car looks best in a dark color, like Tuxedo Black Pearl or Garnet Red Metallic.
    Although it does not redefine the mid-size class, it fits in very nicely, especially because of the value. I would tell anyone interested in a mid-size sedan to give this car a look.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Hi..,
    I am happy that you took time to test ride the Verona and liked it. As far as the power is concerned..it has similar power curves to the 4 cylinder accord. I dont find it inadequete by any means...however some of the readers have felt it because of what is expected from a 6 cylinder engine. Because of the inline configuration the stroke of the cylinder is kept smaller and this creates more space inside. The Car does ride very smooth and that counts in a family based sedan. I have a monarch blue and that does look good..but it gets dirty quickly especially the salt stains in the current weather. I like the silver color and the red too.
    Its 670 miles on the Verona and there is no problem yet. Runs very well and no cold start.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The car weighs 400-500 lbs more than an Accord 4, which has better gearing (with 5 speeds in the auto) for quicker acceleration, and there in lies the problem. Not to say "I told you so", but if you recall, my argument was that prospective buyers would have to weigh the benefits of the Verona's features against the noticeable "lack of power" (isles' words, not mine).

    That said, if this car gets a power boost for 05, and some side impact protection options, this segment will be really on fire!! (The Altima is being updated, with the 2005 model bowing this spring, and the Camry will be updated for the 2005MY, available this fall....)

    ~alpha
  • carrinocarrino Posts: 39
    Hello again, just wondering if anyone knows the availability of parts for the verona,like brake pads, oil filters etc.I am looking on line and cannot find any site that carries verona parts.I bought brake pads for my wifes xl-7 from rock auto.com, and saved alot of money.
    My verona has 1574 miles,running great.I have the black...looks awsome when clean, but the salt and snow really show up and looks bad.Guess ill spend alot of time at the car wash..
  • I have the Titanium Silver Metallic and like the color very much. Does not show the road grime, dust and dirt too much. But them it sits in the garage about 5 days a week. I drove it yesterday -- first time in a week -- and I enjoy driving it better than my Chrysler Concorde. I continue to like that Verona....... I have not tried to locate any parts for the car. My guess is it will take a while to get the parts in the supply line as it has been on the market only for about 6 months, I think. At present I would think even the dealer would have to order certain parts.
    Enjoy your Verona.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    I agree with your observation alpha with some digress. The newer models coming out will evidentally cost more I presume and that tilts the equation again. There are other aspects too like the warantee. Your observations are relevant but I think for a first suzuki sedan in US its quite a good start.
    Carrino.... .have you tried www.foreignmotors.com?.
    Thanks
  • lil302000lil302000 Posts: 149
    In defense of alpha horsepower and track times are a priority in his buying decision, and thats ok it just is not the priority of those of us that bought the Verona. I think that in future model years you will see additions that will increase the performance of this car as there are little things that can be done without huge impact on price. A five speed transmission probably will be one those additions this should go a long way in utilizing the cars torque and they are becoming standard. Side airbags will be one of the non performance additions, we must remember that 40% of the cars put on the road in 03 were equipped with side impact airbags. This figure will be dramatically higher for 04. In terms of application side airbags is relatively young making it more expensive to deploy, this should not be the case next year. I don't think I would like to see the Verona go on the Atkins diet due to fact that I feel this would create a negative impact on the comfort bias suspension. This car has hints of the ride of yesterdays cars prior to us selling our souls to the tighter suspension Japanese ride and I would have to say that weight plays a part in it. Anyway thats just some of my thoughts I could be wrong I have been many times before, but 7000 miles and not a single problem thus far. We like this car and can only hope that it gives us 10 years of service without a single trip to the repair shop like our last one did.
  • I think Edmunds validated many of alpha's comments. They made it abundantly clear that to them the Verona is underpowered. Against lower-tier sedans like the Sonata and Optima, or even against smaller sedans like the Civic, 3, and Corolla the Verona might make sense. But match it up against the best in it's class and you get a last-place finish.
  • lil302000lil302000 Posts: 149
    Unfortunately Edmunds placed the Verona against other V-6 models that it is not intended to compete price or performance. I have yet to see it placed against the four cylinder models it is intended to compete with from Optima and Sonata. The Verona starts at an MSRP of $16,999 and are selling with incentives at $14,000 and below I say make it real and compare it to comparably equipped and priced automobiles in it's size class. As stated before if performance is your quest than the mid size family sedan is not your holy grail. It even becomes more clear that your performance dollars are wasted as you near $25,000 as you compare Neon SRT and Mitsu EVO. The WRX would fall into this fray if you don't mind spending $30,000.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    No. My opinion is certainly not the only one that matters. I think I'm very fair in my assessment of most vehicles. Some Verona types are the only ones however, that cant concede that thier car, just AS do ALL cars ... has some deficiencies. In my last post, I simply used the input of another TownHaller to illustrate that I feel prospective buyers will immediately notice the power deficiency. That's all. For those who dont place precedence on power, and dont require side airbags of some sort, the Verona offers a smooth ride, high features content, smooth styling, room, and a good warranty. How is that not a fair, objective view?

    ~alpha
  • lil302000lil302000 Posts: 149
    I noticed at test drive that the Verona was not a set you in your seat powerful car, but as alpha said it's feature, ride, smoothness,etc. was a selling point for us when we bought the car. As with most product produced there are give and takes when dealing with automobiles this is magnified. While this is not a car but I think it is an of example of give and take. My motorcycle comes stock with a 50 Horsepower V-twin and weighs in at 450 lbs. Equipped with the stock 15 tooth front sprocket it is quicker than most stock harleys rated at 100 horsepower weighing in at near 900 lbs. But it suffers at the top end and will be caught by the Harley. Here is the give and take, change to a 17 tooth sprocket and you take the speed at the line loosing quickness and gaining the speed at the top end reducing the RPMs at highway speed and relieving wear on the engine. This is one of the reasons I feel that a future five speed transmission will possibly drive the Verona past most of it's I-4 counter parts as it only has a second or two to make up.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    I agree lil302000 that Suzuki (or GMDAT) should add a 5-speed auto to the Verona. Even if they don't upgrade the engine, a 5-speed auto would help utilize the torque on the inline 6.

    What I'd like to see in an 05 Verona:

    -side airbags..PLEASE!!!
    -5 speed auto (maybe even with shiftronic)
    -sport model with 17" wheels
    -optional spoiler
    -optional upgraded stereo

    :)
  • lil302000lil302000 Posts: 149
    I know that one or two seconds over a quarter mile is notable in race terms. We know that Verona has top of class torque so that means even with the added weight the car is capable of being quicker than the other I-4 cars in it's class. So were is the torque? If I were betting man it's in the transmission. Why is it in the transmission? My guess would be in the use of a transmission that was ready to bring to market. But is the transmission bad? I dont think so it is smooth and shifts as good as any other transmission in it's class.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    I agree with lil302000 and RCtennis on all points. However I differ with Aplha's statement .."and thats the problem". The problem it is not for Verona drivers who seem to be satisfied. It may be problem with people wanting more power.... I dont agree with anonymous.Look at the strong points of Verona as observed by various owners in this forum. The accord is undoubtedly an excellent car..but it may also have some downpoints as every car does. What is also important is the value for the price you pay. As far as torque is concerned Verona is fine.The Car rides very ably and is a joy to ride.Anonymous..for your info the "low tier" cars have grabbed quite a slice of the market.
    Lil30200's observation on the test by edmunds is interesting.
  • Clearly an overabundance of power in cars today. Having 155hp and 177 ft-pounds of torque is not deficient by any means. One Verona owner measured the time in normal traffic flow to reach 60 miles per hour at 20+ (26?) seconds. I find it to be nearly the same in my situations. While some have, and are entitled to, unrealistic and skewed views on performance statistics, the overall majority prove overwhelmingly that a few seconds difference in 0-60 times is trivial.

    A quick visit to dictionary.com will also prove that the Verona is not deficient of power/performce. The person who makes such claims is known to exaggerate.

    deficiency: The quality or condition of being deficient; incompleteness or inadequacy

    adequate: Sufficient to satisfy a requirement or meet a need

    overabundant: Going or being beyond what is needed, desired, or appropriate

    0-60 times vary greatly for this car, and edmunds.com own test was off the mark compared to other publications. Car and Driver tested the Verona for 10.7 seconds. My Nubira does it in around 10 seconds (129hp, 136ft-lb). I have had no problem with acceleration (undeniably the status quo) or passing multiple cars on 2-lanes.

    I find it interesting that the Daewoo 2.5l inline six was rated at 180hp in 2001 as ULEV (from several sources). However, it is 155 hp today for some reason. Also, both the Verona and Forenza are available with side airbags elsewhere:
    http://www.media.suzuki.com/auto/04/forenza/photography/views/05_- forenza.jpg

    Visit for a lot of information concerning the design and engineering of the engine in the Verona:

    http://www.autoweb.com.au/start_10/showall_/id_DAE/doc_dae0202131- /cms/news/newsarticle.html
Sign In or Register to comment.