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Suzuki Verona

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  • bmcclainbmcclain Posts: 39
    Large size, handsome styling (best IMO), extensive warranty, the best IIHS test results in its price group. It was very comfortable at the auto show, and I could find only a few reasons to even consider buying a different midsize. Throw in the fact that all of this can be had for $15,000. The total package, not only features is value.

    I have yet to drive one, but from what I read, the driving aspects are favorable.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    You spend three days debating why the IIHS test is invalid, why its engineers and management are conspirators, then cite the offset as a reason to consider this car. Truly impressive. And compared against other cars in the $15000-$20000 range, there are better performers. Styling is subjective and a buying impetus for only the individual consumer.

    ~alpha
  • mopar67mopar67 Posts: 728
    Oddly, the dealer forgot to lock it:)

    No, I was not there to destroy, but rather to examine w/o a sales person covering me like a wet coat.

    I am 6-4 tall. I put my padded american rump in the driver seat and adjusted it backwards so I would have "room" to sit comfortably. Then I adjusted the tilt wheel and mirror as if I would do so in order to drive.
    I rotated the lumbar knob to give the seat a bit of "bulge" and the forward lumbar knob to drop the front of the seat down a bit to alleviate the slouch position that is so au courant with the younger generation.

    I then buckled the seatbelt. Then I looked at how far my knees where from the dash panels that were so cracked up in the IIS test. At no time(,matter of perception of course) did I feel my knees were too "close" to the lower dash panel.
    However I did notice that if one really slouched or allowed the seat to tip down in front, there could be a chance that your knees and legs would plow right into the lower dash. What is the liklihood of that happening? Who knows?

    BTW.....I do like this car and sans sunroof, I had enough headroom for my noggin along with the LL Bean hat.

    The engine bay however, is another story but that's for a later discussion.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    I often wonder why is there so much vitriolic!! Gee..This is the first suzuki mid size in the US and thats a fact. The verona is very different from the leganza. GMDAT makes it but under suzuki quality control. The engine is designed by porsche. My comparision about the accord and camry's first tests was correct. In my opinion this was Verona's first test and it came out adequetely well. The Car is definately a "best pick" material for the price you pay. This is from a user who also test drove a Camry and accord. No doubt the accord is voted the best car and the verona needs more improvement in the power category. BUt after having driven it I find it very smooth, comfortable,spacious and have no problems in driving in the city or highway. I have never felt a problem for accelaration and have always merged well with the traffic. As far as the accord and camry tests..though they were conducted in 70 and 80,.I merely wanted to point out that they too had defeciencies. The Verona is not a car to be "trampled" but rather defines an excellent value proposition. If I had more to spend, I would go for the Infiniti or Acura. But then I would not try to demean other cars so vehemently. I agree that all are entitled to their views. But that also means recognising the good points of a car too. I am sure with time Suzuki will pick up the test results as well as on road reports to make a more perfect Verona. As far as the crash is concerned though the tests will serve as a very good source of technical material, Safe driving practices as well as a host of other factors play a major role in crashes and the probability increases if safe driving practice is not followed properly. I would also like to know if any research institute has tied down the test results with real accident situations to establish a pattern between simulated tests and real life accidents.It would make intersting reading.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Research you have asked for:

    http://www.iihs.org/news_releases/2004/pr020504.htm

    If you have a subscription to the online WSJ, I believe you can also search and find an article or two there. (For those who dont read the WSJ, you'd be surprised just how much auto-industry related news and views can be found.)

    ~alpha
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    I'm just curious where you got the 5'8" size dummy from? It is my understanding the IIHS uses a 5'11"-6' dummy, to correlate to the height of the average size male. Another thing that wasn't mentioned here is the safe distance from the airbag. I believe the IIHS places the dummy so that it is at least 12" away from the airbag. Judging by the pictures, that looks about right. I think what you may be misjudging is the distance of the knees from the dash. We only have access to after crash photos. So we honestly don't know where the dummy is exactly placed. So you can't say they place the dummy's knees up against the dash and state it as fact. How do you know this without access to their testing documents or pictures of the dummy's position before the wreck? Since the dummy's size is constant, the dummy's position will be relatively the same between each car, but style differences can lead to great differences in the distance of the knees from the dash. For example: My 03 Tiburon has a lower dash that slants inwards so my knees are about 6" away from the dash even though I'm only 5'6". In my 03 Diamante and 84 VW GTI, my knees are more like 4" away because the knee bolster bulges outwards. These variations can greatly affect how the dummy looks after the crash. What happens during the crash can also greatly affect the dummies distance from the dash. Combine rearward movement of the dash, forward tipping of the seat, and any forward movement of the dummy, and it's not out of line to expect to see the dummy's knees near or touching the dash after the crash. In fact, the dummies knees come in contact with the dash on every car, which is seen by the paint left behind. But you can't infer the IIHS purposely puts the dummy too close to the dash and thus skews the test results by looking at a picture after the test and that is what got so many arguments started.

    All in all, the Verona did a lot better then the Leganza and was respectable in its safety. It's just not the safest new car on the road.
  • rwisemrwisem Posts: 96
    I've spent much of my 35 year insurance career involved with auto safety issues. The tests conducted by IIHS and the Feds are the best we have, BUT, I would not use them as predictors of real world results, which have a limitless number of variables.

    You can change the outcome of the tests by making minor changes in the dummy's feet position, let alone be of a different weight and height from the dummy.

    A particularly nasty injury people are experiencing is a shattered wrist from having their arm crossed over the air bag at time of impact. Keep your hands away from the center of the wheel and sit back as far as is comfortable to use the controls. This advice will make you far safer than choosing a car based on the unique test procedures we read about.
  • In three concise paragraphs you have cut through all the verbose nitpicking and said something relevant, believeable and useful.
  • tekrektekrek Posts: 18
    Now back to the truth. I’m about to have my 6000 mile tire rotation and my last tank of gas gave me an average 26.23 miles per gallon. My driving pattern over the 408 miles was 85% highway and 15% city. My guess is that the 20 mpg city and 27 mpg highway is right-on.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    I currently own a 2001 Mazda 626 ES-V/6 and average about 23 miles-per-gallon. It now has 62K on it. I am in industrial sales and do alot of driving. I was looking at the Verona and reports of sub 20 mpg was making me cross it off my "short list." I am attracked to the car because of it's "high value" content. You can get an "S" model here in So. Cal for about 14K!
    Thanks, again!
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Thanks for the nice info tekrek. I have around 1500 miles in severe ( city stop and go) conditions in a hilly and winding area. My MPG is around 17 and increasing. It seems the MPG increases after 3000 miles and optimises after that. The report by rwisem made interesting reading and only shows that corelating test results and actual situations is really a complex process involving to many variables.Chuck ...The Verona must be more attractive to you after the recent 1500 off. Its MPG is not the top of the block but the Car is really an excellent value for the price. Consider the saving over other cars ,having the same features, saving in depreciation amounts, and warentee after subtracting the minuses for possible lower resale, lower MPG, and Lower HP than other competing cars. Personally with a tight budget, I think I made a very good choice.
    Good Luck Chuck!
  • tekrektekrek Posts: 18
    Filled up today and got 27.11 mpg on the last tank full.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Any of you seen the new Advertisement of Verona?.What do you think?. I think that its good but the Older one was more classy. The Ad seems to move along Camry's lines.
    I do wish they think something more unique.
  • bmcclainbmcclain Posts: 39
    I read rwisem's post and I think it makes more since than I could in thousands of pages.

    I also follow his advice:
    "sit back as far as is comfortable to use the controls. This advice will make you far safer than choosing a car based on the unique test procedures we read about."

    Ingtonge18, I thought that a 5' 8" 181-lb dummy was used from reading about these tests, though I'm not certain on the height of it, so you are probably correct. If they place the dummy at least 12" away from the airbag, then perhaps they are going for a minimum distance test than an average position. This possibility makes since.

    How does the transmission in the Verona perform? The main reason why I don't want a Forenza is due to GM's unattentive torque converter. Does to Verona slip out of overdrive when the throttle is adjusted, and then lock back after a few seconds? I don't know if the Verona uses a GM transmission or not, but this could be a major deciding factor for me in a few years.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Bmclain...
    The verona tranny takes time to optimize. I have found that in a new car, the trans. actually adjusts based on the driving pattern and driver characteristics and " seems" slow to respond. In fact some have even trashed the trans for being 'confused" etc. Far from the Truth. After its initial break in of say 1000-2000 miles, the trans. performs very well and i have'nt noticed any slippages. On sudden burst of accelaration there is a millisecond delay in response to flooring the pedal but the car responds almost immediately. It may not be a fluid shift like the accord but there is no major shuffle. Once you know how the Car responds, you actually can hit the pedal with less force and there is a fluid shift with no jolt being felt at all. The ride as I said is real smooth even at 70 or 75 mph.
  • mopar67mopar67 Posts: 728
    There's more and more "driver adaptive" transmissions in the marketplace today than ever before.

    Chrysler was a big proponent of this and its true, the trans has to "learn" how you drive before it can optimize the shift quality and shift points.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The Verona's transmission has been criticized by Car and Driver, Edmunds.com, and most recently, Consumer Reports. To the end that the transmission "learns" behaviour, this is true, and that learned behaviour may not have been reflected in the Car and Driver and Edmunds.com tests. However, CR tests cars for at least 4000 miles, from what I remember...

    ~alpha
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Yay! The 2005 Suzuki Forenza Wagon will be offered with an advanced passenger weight-sensing airbag AND SIDE-IMPACT AIRBAGS!!! Hopefully, the other Suzuki models get them too for 05!
  • tekrektekrek Posts: 18
    Thanks for the heads up regarding the new Forenza Wagon rctennis3811. A Google search on the Forenza Wagon gave lots of sites discussing the new offering from Suzuki. It looks like a nice car. Have you had a chance to drive the Forenza? When I bought My Verona I wanted a vehicle with a little more room for my family. I did have plenty of time to inspect the Forenza and was impressed with it’s design, fit and finish.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Although I didnt have much time to spend at the vacant Suzuki display at the NY Auto Show, I did see a Verona S, and sat in it. The front seats, upon a cursory test, were comfy, and the fabric was plush but ugly. The step up to the LX is worth it, IMO, just for the fact of the auto climate control- the panel that houses the rotary knobs (pleasing in operation) does not match the rest of the dash plastics and looks cheap. The rear seat was nice, reasonably roomy, but seat contouring was just ok. I very much like the 3rd rear head restraint!

    ~alpha
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