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Suzuki Verona

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  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    I don't know why they would scrap this automobile. Check MSN's auto section and Edmunds. Despite the stalling problems, overall comsumer satisfaction with this vehicle is quite high.

    Tom
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "don't know why they would scrap this automobile. Check MSN's auto section and Edmunds. Despite the stalling problems, overall comsumer satisfaction with this vehicle is quite high."

    -It goes back to my earlier post(s)people rationalize when they spend big money and make a bad purchasing decision.....it happens ALL THE TIME!!!!
  • hope2hope2 Posts: 8
    What do you mean half the lies you hear are not true. I think we all have our own opnion don't you. It's all a matter of what 'that' person has been through and no one really knows until they have been in 'that' persons shoes, Right? I know the crap Suzuki has put me through. And the feeling of having a car that has problems, and having no rights because im not able to prove it to a money powered attoney. The problem is that it is intermitten and comes and goes. And I have witneses that know of this. I don't like it any more then anyone else but its happening to me and I don't feel save in this car. And that is because of what I have had to deal with. I am sorry to burst anyones bubble, im not that kind of person but I have a opinon to and sad to say it, this is it. Please understand I hope others never have to go through this. If you love your verona then I am HAPPY for you very very much...
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "I know the crap Suzuki has put me through. And the feeling of having a car that has problems, and having no rights because im not able to prove it to a money powered attorney."

    I learned something very important on one of those T. V. news magazines recently....do not sign a form that includes Arbitration. Your best bet is in a court of law...and not an arbitration process that is stacked against the consumer. The only thing is that you will have to find a dealer that is willing to delete from their standard form.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    In this forum you will find positive and negative opinions. I had big ECM problems but they have been resolved. But there have been other minor quality problems. This is something Zuki has to work on..especially the parts and their vendor quality.As far as edmunds and msn auto are concerned there are positive as well as negative ones. You will find that the newer car owners give praise and the older ones either a more practical or realistic picture. Don't get me wrong , the Verona offers a lot for the buck, but it needs refinement, more power, smoother and better transmission to take on the best cars out there. The quality issues need sorting out too. For a new first big car by Zuki, the effort is very good barring the ECM fiasco. If you see the edmunds site the expert review rating to be 6.5 /10 (I may not agree to that)..the user rating is 8.25 lower than 9+ for other cars. Tom why is Zuki not advertising 2005 Verona..if you say that there is nothing wrong with the Verona? or an engine change or something like that is not on the cards?. Why is Verona not being pushed in front of showrooms or why are there fewer ad's in the papers or special competitions/prizes with the car? Why can't I see the Verona at my local malls?. I know I am asking a lot from a new company..but to compete with the big names this may be necessary.
    My feeling after 7800 miles on the Verona is - very smooth loaded car, very spacious,family car..but needs refinement in power,trans,quality of parts.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    I know what you mean chuck. Those Toyota buyers pump up the value of their Camery's when they realize what they could have saved if they had purchased a Verona.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Cool it Hope. First, half the lies you hear aren't true is absolutely true.

    Second, I was referring to all of the rumors that travel around the internet about what Suzuki is going to do with the Verona.

    I do not consider your reports of problems with your Verona to be a rumor at all. I am very confident that your problems are real. These are referred to as antidotal evidence.

    What you experienced is absolutely true for you. That alone does not maked the Verona a bad automobile. Nor does my experience.

    I am quite baffled by the failure of the ECM upgrade to solve the problems experienced by some owners. If I was you I would be looking into my states lemon laws. They seem very straight forward. Simply produce the required record of in- warranty repairs and inconvience and they must buy your car back. In Ohio, if the car company does not comply, and you need the use of an attorney, the car company pays legal fees. I would be checking the lemon law in your state.

    I would not get a lawyer involved until Suzuki rejects you claim. Why waste your money.

    I do wish you good luck.


    Tom
  • hope2hope2 Posts: 8
    Thanks Tom, Im cool, I did not mean to bite your head off. But Im stressed out man. I did go through the limon law thats what arbitration is for. But in Fl. You have to pay your attorney fees. And I cant do that. I have had my ECM replaced 3 times and it reprogramed 1 by my dealer. But suks attorney said they did it just to please me. Tell me would you do all that unless you thought there might be a problem, I know I would not, because it makes you look bad. They know there is a problem and don't want to deal with it. I just wanted my car fixed. But when I brought it back to the tec. said that suzuki said that he was not to fix it anymore. And this was before I decided to persue the lemon law. The owner of the delership was the one who said I should go through with the lemon law. He new all I was going through, I had the car up there every week almost for something. And now I hear that there is a recall on the brake lights, that is a safty issue. So I will be going back. They still have not fix the doors on my car. I could deal with some of this, But come on this is getting a bit silly. I just want the new car I am paying for. Im not rich but I am still a customer right. HOPE will drive on anyway, what choice do I have. Love to all the people......
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Rasup, That was a good post. I agree with everything you said!
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Hope,

    I understand your stress. Florida has a Lemon law. Contact the Attorney General's Office. Follow the proceedure outlined by the lemon law. They only have 4 tries to fix a reoccuring problem. Sounds like you are there.

    The way I read the law, you send Suzuki a certified letter stating that they have had three unsuccessful tries at repiring you car. This starts a clock for them to have one more try. Failure and its all over.

    If they still fight you, get a lawyer. You have done what the law requires. If the lawyer agrees that you have complied with the law, they know that they will be paid. It is in the Florida law.

    Don't give up.

    Tom
  • hope2hope2 Posts: 8
    I have done everything there is to do for the lemon law and I went, I did it all thinking I was theright one in all this but Suzukis attorny twisted everything. Im not good with all this. And I have given up, I can't deal with this again it was such a long process that I can't do it again.I felt as if I was revolving my life around all this mess. And I want to be happy and so I supose I will just blast my radio loud and if it stalls......Then they will have a bad lawsuit huh.. But thanks for the input,I have learned my lesson. I am going to be more picky next time with a new car. I think I will try to trade this bad baby off or something. don't know?
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Hope,

    Contact a lawyer. The law specifies that, if you are right, and Suzuki does not buy the car back, then they (Suzuki) must pay for your legal fees.
    You might find a lawyer that will look at your claim for free. They might figure that its worth a few minutes of free legal advice for a chance at charging Suzuki the legal fees.

    Whatever it is, it should not be a lot of money. It beats driving a car that you don't feel safe in.

    Tom
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Easterbay

    I am glad to see that the lemon law worked for you. I don't know which state you are in. Most state's lemon laws are very simular. They give the dealer a certain number of tries to fix a given problem. If they cannot fix the stalling problem in 3 or 4 tries, the lemon law applies.

    How hard can it be to document that the car was returned the required number of times for the same problem. If Suzuki does not honor your claim, go to a lawyer. The laws generally require that the car company pay legal fees, if the consumer has abided by the law.

    Was Suzuki cooperative in your case?

    As far as hubcaps are concerned, both Walmart and Kmart have decent hubcaps for cheap. I got a set for my wife's Camry. She lost a hubcap. You really cannot tell them from stock. I think that I have $15 in them. I couldn't afford one new stock hubcap for $15.

    Tom
  • Hi this is sunshine...Thanks guys to all who responded to my first post. You guys are great.

    Anyway, I wanted to clarify, that I do feel awful for all of you that are enduring hardships with the zuki dealers etc..I just wanted to point out to others that there are alot of cars that have major recalls not just the verona. As I mentioned, my jetta 1.8 T had many. I would go in for a routine maintenance and VW would tell me they found a recall item to fix.

    Anyway, I realize that some of you are having problems outside of Zuki just fixing a recalled item..your cars are being fixed then they still do not work..that is ca-ca, and zuki should step up to the plate if they know what is good for them. By them not fixing your car problem, it will make PR bad for them. NO ONE WILL WANT TO BUY THEIR CARS. The owners of Suzuki should be ashamed!

    Anyway, Good luck to you all...I will keep you all posted on how my Verona does. So far so good..well that is to be expected, I have only had the car for less than a week hahahahah..I must say though that the "drive" of the car is nice. I did drive a 1.8 T Jetta for a while, and of course, if I compared this car the 1.8 Turbo, then I would not be happy, but comparing it to the typical 6 cyl vehicle that I have driven in the past, this car drives very nice. Seems like the steering wheel turns as if has a silky substance inside..very smooth...I do like this car, and the looks are great. It's a very sexy car. I have a black verona EX with silver door handles. I call her black beauty.

    Thank you to all who have posted the good and the bad...this keeps us all in the loop. Sorry about my first posting if I came off insensitive to some of you that are having major problems...I think I was a little emotional durig my first post, since I had just bought the car and then read all the bad things that were happening to the car......After I got out of the shock of seeing all the bad side of Suzuki, I DO NOW SOO MUCH APPRECIATE THE POSTS THAT SHOW THE BAD SIDE...THIS WAY I WILL HAVE A HEADS UP OF ALL THINGS TO LOOK FOR if I start to have problems with my car...

    God bless you all...thanks again...good luck to all of you who are happy with your Veronas, and good luck to all who are going through all the lemonlaw BS...It really sucks that zuki is making you go this far to replace a car that is obviously a dud. They should not make you go through attorneys and all that BS! Zuki needs to realize that when cars are made, some of the cars they make are going to be duds..this is the same for any item you purchase at a store etc...there are going to be duds, and most retailers will replace something that is a dud...I think it sucks that if one of their veronas turned out to be a dud, that they dont step up to the plate and replace that car without making the consumer have to waste all their time getting attorneys, losing sleep, etc......grrrr...people are soo mean...mean people suck...I will pray for you guys, and pray that you win your cases...

    bye

    Sunshine from parkland
  • hope2hope2 Posts: 8
    Thanks sunshine for your PRAYERS, they are well needed. And im so glad you love your Verona, I wish I still felt the same. I have lost all......respect for Suzuki. I really hate this. But I know that Suzuki is just trying to cover there backend. It just suck for me. I am the customer right? I have tons of papers that show all the times I have had to go to the dealer, It's CRAZY.... Im just going to stop talking all this as of today...I want to focus on my life and not all this depressing stuff. Im wrong any way I go with this. And im so tired I can't stand it any more...But God is still in control and not Suzuki....thanks to all for your understanding peace out...
  • kctom-

    Those Wal-Mart caps may look OK but they are miserable junk. I am in the business and believe me, freeway shoulders all over the Northeast are covered with Wal-Mart hubcaps. I bet you lose one by the end of the year, at best. If you need Camry caps, check eBay. You can get a new OEM set for under $40. The distributors in the south replace the factory wheels with (cheap junk) alloys to gouge the customer, and the new wheel covers end up on eBay.

    -Andrew L
  • Hi, another Tom from K.C. here. Liberty actually. My wife and I are seriously considering a 2005 Verona. We have test driven the 2004 and I know you are very happy with your 2004. Would it be possible, if it is not too much to ask, for you to show us your car and give us a ride? We certainly don't want to drive your car but a look in person would be very nice. My email address is public. Please email me.

    Thanks very much,

    TheOtherTominKC
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    I got mine at K-Mart, if that makes any difference. They snapped on real tight. You do need to be careful when removing them. If you use something narrow like a screwdriver, do it gingerly. Otherwise the plastic cracks.

    They have been on the car maybe 6 months now, no problems. That's better than my Eclipse. The clip on those were easily damaged. Once damaged, the hub cap would not stay on. I have one safety wired on. I definitely prefer the KMart to factory Mitsu. I just can't find cheaps caps for a 16" wheel.

    Tom
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    I am sorry Tom, but I don't sell cars. Try a dealer, they would be happy to let you drive one.

    Tom
  • Hi,

    How many of you are using fully synthetic oil in your Veronas? I just changed mine to the new Mobil 1 Extended Performance Synthetic Oil. The results are incredible. The car is running cooler than usual, and I am now getting 22MPG City, before I was only getting 19.7 MPG. The car also feels as though there are a few more horses under the hood, as I can take off of the stop lights much faster. The engine overall runs alot smoother. I would like to hear your opinions on this oil, and Whether or not tou have it in your car.

    Thanks,

    Peter
    Chicagoland (Naperville)
  • Hi,

    Just an FYI, Autozone now carries the oil filter for the Verona. It is made by STP and the model number is S-2903. It is only 2.99 versus the $7 that the dealer charges for it.

    Happy oil changing,

    Peter
  • All companies should take the smart approach and use hubcaps that are secured with lug nuts.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Tom,

    I notice that Keystone Suzuki, in Mission, has a used 2004. Why not see if they will let you drive it. Dealers are usually less sensitive about putting a few miles on a used vehicle then a new one.

    Tom F
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Peter,
    This is great news. I have been considering using Syn-Oil. The only downside is that I have lower miles per month as my office is near home. I change oil every 3 months never-the less as I have more stop and go situations. My dealer told me that the only down side is that once you have put in synth. you can't back track to regular oil. Also I want to know if this will be a negative factor when you want to sell the Car in future (the buyer would have to be informed that he would need to add Synth.). I have also added STP fuel injector/system cleaner. The car runs with more power. I have 7800 miles and the Car runs fine. I have to go to the dealer to fit my driver-side window motor as this was faulty. This is under warantee. I may switch to synth. later. If so how often do you have to change?. How much extra do you spend on Oil?. I usually do it at the dealer 7 quarts at $22.0 incl labor.
    I had asked the forum as to why there are no Ad's on the Verona anymore. I personally don't like the new Suzuki ad..it seems incoherant and loud.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "My dealer told me that the only down side is that once you have put in synth. you can't back track to regular oil."

    That is SIMPLY NOT TRUE. You can even mix regular oil with Synthetic if you have to. Of course you would lose the benefits of synthetic oil. This is yet another case of a dealer not knowing what they are talking about.....
    FROM A COMPETITIVE WEBSITE>>>>>

    "Many of those manufacturers used to advise against mixing synthetics with regular oils until they found that they were denying themselves of much of their markets by doing so. Now these synthetics are made so that they can be mixed without any trouble............." But they advise against doing so....."
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    I think that you answered your own question rasup, about the Veroan ad's. A given ad is targeted for a specific demographic. In fact an entire ad campaign usually targets a specific group. This presents a coherent image for an advertiser. By your response, you can see that someone that is attracted to the Verona is not in the demographic that Suzuki is after, at this time.

    This is just my perspective but I see the Verona as a Buick for the person who would never own a Buick. It's roomy, comfortable to drive, feature laden, and conservatively, but tastefully styled. It's also a lot cheaper than a Buick. Even the high torque engine is reminiscent of the Buicks of the past with their big V8's. It's a great cruisen car. No one bought a Buick to set a speed record.

    This could be a winner. There is a big aging population that has grown up driving imports. That's me. I drove a Mitsu Eclipse 5 speed for 14 years. Fun car. Anyone want it, it's setting in my drive. Let's make a deal. But I am ready for my Buick, I just didn't want to admit it, and I didn't want to pay for it and I don't like GM cars.

    I am considering synthetic oil. I don't believe that there are any problems associated with a synthetic. I have heard that there is a noticeable, if small, improvement in gas mileage and engine performance on synthetics. I figure that I change my oil about every 3500-4000 miles now. I will up it to the factory remonended 7500 miles. I figure I will about break even.

    Tom

    Cruisen in KC
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Tom,
    I agree on the demographic targetting, but this does not answer why there are no verons ads. Does that mean that there are no demographics for the Verona?. Or is there something else?. It seems that the ads are like putting more fuel into the fire (an analogy) - it seems that more ads on the forenza would increase focus on the sales which are increasing. But I thought ads also boosted sagging sales and Verona is selling 19% less than last year. Comments Tom?.
  • GM Announced they will start building Chevy Epica's in China to help with the GM brand and Image in China. See www.autonews.com for the story. You can't read the entire story without buying the story, but you can get the jest of it. Must not be too bad of a car if they want it to represent them (GM) in China. Epica is the identical car to the Verona.
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    Comparing on the Daewoo website in Korea, the Verona is the Magnus classic, and the Epica is the Magnus Eagle. The Epica shares with the Magnus Eagle nicer rear lights.
  • pciro2180pciro2180 Posts: 43
    Hi guys,

    Chuck is right, you can mix the two oils together, but it would be the same as using a synthetic blend motor oil. Synthetic blend is the two of them put together. As far as the price, I went to Walmart and was able to get the # 1 rated Mobil 1 Extended Peromance that is 15,000 guanteed between oil changes. I paid only 23.00 for 5 Qts, and after the extra two quarts were bought and I bought the oil filter at Autozone, the total cost was about 40.00. It is not hard to change the oil on this car, although you really can't reach the filter from under the car, it is much easier i have found to let the car down off the jack and then change the filter from the top because the filter is that high up on the motor. I did alot of research on this oil, I have the resources because I work at the Citgo Refinery in Lemont, Illinois, and found out that the Mobil 1 is the best oil. For 40.00 and 15,000 miles or 1 year whichever comes first, you can't beat that deal. All of my friends have had improved performance in their cars with the syn oil. One Dodge Dakota 4X4,one GMC Sierra, and one Nissan Sentra. Any more questions, let me know.
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