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Suzuki Verona

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  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Its 7500 miles on my 2004 Verona. The Car runs fine. There are some things I have noted and I think zuki needs to improve. If you idle the car for a long period eg. when you have to keep the car running when working out in 20 F temp (for the heater),the adaptive fuzzy computer goes nuts and tries to rev up the engine. Fortunately a ride fixes that. Also when someone else drives it ( different style) the Computer again gets confused and takes a while to get OK. Also I do wish Zuki gets more QC into the parts... My brake rotors were replaced being out of round, the headlight started to allow moisture condensation and that was also replaced. My driver window switch went bad and that is being replaced..thank God for the warantee!!!. I have an S model with standard wheels. The wheel Caps are so poorly painted that they rust. I had to get them painted twice.

    Other than that no major problems. Zuki is announcing a recall....for 37000 2004 Veronas. They have a defective brake light switch that may drain your battery in 3 hours. You should get a notice..I guess. The 2005 Verona has shown a 19% drop in sales as compared to last Jan. Zuki has however increased overall sales with the Forenza doing well. There is silence as far as the Verona Ad is concerned..Are they overhauling the Car?..New Engine/trans?. I dont like the adaptive trans. if it uses fuzzy and gets confused.

    Your comments members????
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Rasup,

    I guess if you have an "S" model you probably paid about $15,000.00 give or take. You have had WAY TOO MANY PROBELMS for spending that kind of money. I believe that the best kind of warranty is....one that you do not have to use! It's inconvenient to have one's car fixed no matter who is paying for it!
  • <<There is silence as far as the Verona Ad is concerned..Are they overhauling the Car?..New Engine/trans?. I dont like the adaptive trans. if it uses fuzzy and gets confused. Your comments members????>>

     

    I just did a quick search on information from GMDAT and here is what has been released in the Korean Herald:

     

    "The Magnus, GM Daewoo's midsize sedan, will have a successor around the end of this year. The car, code-named V-250, will be reborn with a bolder, more prestigious image."

     

    As most people know, the Verona is basically a rebadged Daewoo Magnus. If this car is going to be replaced then I'll bet the Verona will be as well. So right now Suzuki is just laying low and waiting for the new vehicle to be produced. No sense throwing good money after bad as far as Suzuki is concerned. The Forenza is a hit and the Verona is a miss.
  • hope2hope2 Posts: 8
    Hi. I have had a lot of problems to. My car is idling bad and trys to stall. It has stalled once. I am very disappointed with Suzuki, They are not owning up to these problems, They say that theirs nothing wrong with this car. But, there just covering there buts. This is big ,there are so many complaints on the verona it unreal. And stalling can be dangerous. Its sad that this all worked out like this I would love to say all is great, but far from it.
  • nace818nace818 Posts: 140
    Hope, How many miles did you have on it before the rough idle and stalling? From the beginning? I don't want to jinx myself, but I have 13,000 miles and have never had a problem. It purrs like a kitten. I can't say i drive it easy either. I have a 60 mile commute from Baton Rouge to New Orleans and I drive anywhere from 80 to 100 mph when I can get away with it,and the car seems like it wants to go even faster. I love it.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Yes, it seems by these posts that the dealers don't even know what is wrong or how to fix it. I will tell you what I would do. In regards to the stalling issue; if it was me I would write a letter to both Suzuki America and the dealer. Please send it certified mail. I would politely but firmly say that if the car stalls and it causes an accident, then the liabilty will be on their shoulders! Short of getting a Lawyer involved (then nobody wins) I would also study the lemon law in your particular state and see what recourse you have. We know of at least one person on this Bulletin Board who got a NEW VERONA by going in to the "lemon law" process. Hope this helps!
  • hope2hope2 Posts: 8
    I have done all that. I am going to arbitration soon and I am very nerves because suzuki has there big attorneys ,ya know! But I plan to give it to them! I am so upset about all this it has keep me up at night. I dont feel save in this car and Suzuki is still allowing me to drive it, I have no choice. It sucks. You better hope you have no problems with yours because if you do, you will be put through hell and back by all the lies and papers Suzuki can throw at you. Im glad for all those who have got a good one, but bewhere, Dont hold your breath, cut your radio off and listen to it when you slow down and when you crank it in the morning. Dont take less, when you are paying someone for more. This is serious and Suzuki needs to fess up. I have mounds of proof that this car has issues. But Suzuki test the car for a few minutes and says there nothing wrong. I drive it every day I think I should know.Well we shall see. If I dont win Im going to the NEWS with this. Peace out. WEll thats a nice thought anyway.
  • hope2hope2 Posts: 8
    Yes I have that problem and I have had a ecm put in three times and and it was ok! for a day or so, and then back to its crap car self. I have had it re programed too, and not a help. Let me tell you, Suzuki has had there chances and I dont think this problem is fixable in some of these cars. Why? I have no clue. I know its a crime that they dont know how to fix this issue. And there are so many people who are going through this issue, it stinks.
  • dkuhajdadkuhajda Posts: 487
    The consumer is never bound by the arbitration. You need to go to them with all your paperwork, registration fees, payments made, rental cars, etc and simply ask for a full refund under the lemon law for the car.

    You should check with your states attorney generals web site for the specifics of the lemon laws in your state. Most times all that is required is to provide them with a certified letter (the information on where to send it is in the back of the owners manual), and wait for the response. Since you are going to arbitration, simply ask them for the refund in writing and have copies of the documentation to give them. also will help to have copies of the information from your states lemon law.

    Hiring an attorney is premature at this point in most states. In most states unless and until the automaker does not comply with the lemon law buyback request (assuming the car definitely falls under your states lemon law), you cannot recover attorney fees from them until that time.
  • nace818nace818 Posts: 140
    Well fellow Verona owners, it is very depressing reading some of these messages even though I may have gotten a "good one". I bought late in the 2004 model year. Is it possible that Suzuki may have gotten the problem fixed by then?
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    You know Verona owners and others...when the Leganza first came out it was unknown. However, they have proved to be quote reliable in the real world. This leads me to the following:
    1) So when the Verona was thought out and designed by Daewoo, it was suppossed to have an different transmission. The same company who made the tranny for the Leganza I think.
    2) The motor was designed for the Verona by a guy who used to work at either Porsche or Mercedes. And it widely known that it could put out much more horsepower that what the ECM allows. So, if the cars tranny and motor controls (ECM) were not changed (by GM), would it have been every bit as reliable as the old Leganza? It certainly leads one to think. Because all of the issues have been around the ECM and the transmissions.
  • As an owner of a Chevy Epica for over 10 months, which is the same as the Verona,made by Daewoo I can say I have had no Gripes or problems with the car [ fingers crossed ]and I know several other owners and they have had no problems either with transmission, or engine, and I drive in some mountaines and trying roads. As for service our local GM dealer I have no complaints what so ever. But going through these threads I sometimes wonder how these dealers ever stay in business.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    I just purchased a new 2004 Verona. So far I am very pleased. It only has about 500 miles on it. I got a fantastic deal. It's everything that I expected. The engine runs well, very smooth, no EFI problems. The power is more than adequate and the high torque output makes it a very smooth car to drive.

    Low RPM's deliver plenty of power. This is something six cylinders can do better than 4. Power comes from burning fuel. It takes fewer RPM's to burn the same amount of fuel with a 6 then it does with a 4. But the engine is probably better compare to a 4 banger otherwise, but hey so does the price.

    I have had it for a little over 2 weeks. I drive it daily. I have found no fit and finish problems yet. Everything says quality. Everything works.

    Both myself and a co-worker drive Suzuki Verona's. He has more miles on his than I do. So far so good. We are both very pleased and believe that it is one of the best buys out there.

    I paid $15,000 for this car. It's an EX version. I don't know if I can get into a decent Corolla for that amount of money.

    I am still waiting for fuel mileage figures. For mixed, primarily expressway (12 miles each way) I got 20 mpg on the first tank. The second tank did 23. With just a little more improvement, I will be quite satisfied. We will see. Also the tranney is still learning me. Mileage improves as mechanical parts break-in on a new automobile.

    As best as I can tell, the last EFI update, which was in October, must have solved the stalling problem. I haven't experienced any of it, despite driving in a cool to cold environment. My co-worker reported that his problems disappeared after the new upgrade. I do not know why the upgrade is not working for others. My Verona is an early production model, Oct 03.

    There is much speculation here about Verona's future, based on currect Suzuki promotional activities. Remember that automobile manufacturers work with a significant lead time. Marketing decisions visible now were developed long before the last EFI upgrade was installed in many cars and much before any field data could possible reveal it's effectiveness. The idea that Suzuki will replaced the Verona with a new model, next model year, based on problems encountered so far seems very unlikely. No auto manufacturer works with that short a lead time.

    My guess is, that given the problems of the Verona as they stood at this time last year, Suzuki reduced 2005 production numbers. The lack of clearence sales at Suzuki dealers despite large inventories of 2004 models, tells me that Suzuki doesn't believe that it's sitting on a looser. They do not act like the value of their Veronas is in jeapardy.

    I you have stumbled on this discussion group in your search for new car purchase, remember that there will always be a higher number of disatisfied customers than satisfied on discussion groups like this. I just hop the I won't be one of them soon. So far so good.

    Tom
    Here in KC
  • I am glad you are enjoying your new Verona. I agree that following these discussion groups can sometimes give you a false, and even negative, impression. I bought my Verona EX in October, 03, and now have over 17,000 miles on it. I paid 19k and have never regretted it. I was looking at a Corolla at the time but when I saw the ads about the Verona I decided to check it out. Dollar for dollar, there is not comparison, even if you pay 19k. You can pay 19k for a Corolla but you end up with a whole lot less car.

    Shortly after my purchase, I did take the car in for some recall issue(so minor I don't even recall what it was-it certainly had no noticeable affect on the car.) Otherwise, I have only had it in the shop for oil changes. I have not had the EFI upgrade since I am not having any problems with stalling or rough idle on start up. On cold nights, we can get down into single digits in my part of the country but the Verona always starts easily and runs smoothly. In mixed driving during these winter months, I am getting 22-23mpg. The car is as tight as it was when new and everything works as it should. I am still amazed at how smooth and quiet it is. Having bought a variety of new cars over the last 40 years, the Verona has got to be one of the best overall experiences I have had.

    My only complaint is this. I wish you could buy one painted bright red. My last car, a Passat GLX, was bright red and was very easy to find in a parking lot. It seems like the Koreans and Japanese save bright red paint for their sports cars. I wish they would change their minds and make red available on other models.

    Otherwise, I suspect I will be happily driving my titanium silver Verona for many years, unless I can't find it at the mall some day. Then maybe I will have to look to buy something bright red.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Don't misunderstand---I am glad that there are some happy owners out there. But KCtom, you took a GREAT Chance in buying one of these automobiles. The discount alone you received should have been a red flag. It's very curious that many report here on this Bulletin Board that the dealers are not putting the Verona on the front lines on their lots. They are clearly not selling. The Forenza is doing MUCH better. The dealers also do not have any 05's in any great numbers. The reason the dealers don't have any are either they are not selling or the factory has cut back on the production. Either way, this does not look good as has been discussed here. As much as I like the looks of the Verona-there is no way I would buy one. Well, maybe at a $10,000,00 discount I would take a chance.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    First Chuck, all life is a crap shoot.

    The primary complaint against this car concerns stalling. Anyone who knows anything about an automobile knows that this is a relively simple software/hardware bug in the EFI. For some reason, the EFI is trying to run the engine too lean. This means too little fuel to air ratio. I guess you had to drive and maintain one of them old cars with a carburetor to understand. Peolpe who do not understand this, avoid the car like the plague allowing me to get a great automobile for a steal of a price.

    I believe that I have explained why the factory may have reduced the 2005 production run, if in fact, they did.

    For some reason I having problems with this logic that I shouldn't buy a car because others aren't buying it. You're like the person who doesn't buy stock during bear makets then goes wild during the bull runs and then wonders why they don't make money in the market. If you want a good buy, you have got to be ahead of the market.

    As far as dealers are concerned, I have notice a lack of a fire sale mentality. They a sitting on a pile of new 2004 Verona's that are not geting any newer. You would think that they would want to sell these as rapidly as they could. But they don't advertise them at all. They must believe, or Suzuki must believe, that the problems are solved and drastic measures are not neded.

    I get the distinct feeling from your post that you are upset with me for doing something that you would not do. Why would you tell me that I just took a big chance? Ain't going to do me any good to know this now. Are you scolding me? "Shame shame, you took a chance. You bought a car when the criteria that I use should have told any rational person that they shouldn't have purchased it."

    Oh well! I will just go back to cruising comfortably in my new Verona with it's heated leather seats and automatic temperature control and feel this terrible guilt feeling knowing that others paid more for their cars because they let fear and not logic rule their lives. It's a tough life.

    Tom
    Still here in KC
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "As far as dealers are concerned, I have notice a lack of a fire sale mentality. They a sitting on a pile of new 2004 Verona's that are not geting any newer. You would think that they would want to sell these as rapidly as they could. But they don't advertise them at all. They must believe, or Suzuki must believe, that the problems are solved and drastic measures are not needed."

    If they are "sitting" on these cars and there are no-problems, why are they all sitting on the back of their lots? Why aren't they advertised. It seems to me if you want to sell something...anything for that matter you would want it right there in front for all to see, and advertise the heck out of out. Nope, I think Suzuki has a major porblem on their hands and have yet to figure out a solution. BTW, I do go back to the cars of "yesteryear" and those lousy carburetors....
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Evergreen,

    So far, that's exactly the way that I feel. It's a great car. I think that the 6 cy engine is a great idea. I didn't want a 4 banger. They rev so high just to pull away from a stop light. I didn't like the V6. I am not a lead-footed driver weaving in and out of trafic. Also, I have heard the horror stories about changing plugs. This little in-line 6 is great.

    I was and still am impressed by the overall positive consumer reviews that the Verona has received. It is only .5 point behind the Camry even considering all of the problems that new owners experienced. I really believe that his stalling problem is behing them. Like I said, it's not brain surgery to reprogram an EFI. Obviously this car hit the road before it was ready. My gut feeling is that this is GM's fault. That behemoth of an organization cannot do anything fast IMO.

    I didn't realize that GM was involved in this car so heavily. Me and GM cars don't get along. Maybe there is little enough GM blood in it that this won't be a problem.

    I have a problem with red cars. I cannot help but calling them "Hello Officer Red." So I got the burgandy colored Verona. I think that they call it pearl red. It's puuuuuuurdy.

    Two questions. How long does it take for the transmission to fully learn the driver? I don't really have a complaint about the shifting, but it could be better. Also, have you had any experiences with multi-driver situations. Does this confuse the computer?

    Tom

    Here in KC
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Well Chuck I don't know what to tell you. I guess by your reasoning, all that Suzuki would need to do is to move those Veronas to the front of the lot and raise the prices and you would buy one tomorrow.

    Tom
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "Well Chuck I don't know what to tell you. I guess by your reasoning, all that Suzuki would need to do is to move those Veronas to the front of the lot and raise the prices and you would buy one tomorrow."

    Nope, even though I think they are beautiful cars, that ECM issue would keep me from buying one. It's really something how we rationalize our purchases. One of the posters said something to the effect-"Well I really don't have any complaints about how the transmission shifts-but it could be better". I think what this statement really means is-"Well- I really don't like the shifting pattern (there goes that darn ECM again!) but I guess I will have to put up with it!" Oh well....
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