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Suzuki Verona

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  • Tom,

    I read your post that the Verona is only .5 behind the Camry. May I ask where you read that? That sounds encouraging! :)

    -Tom (Also in K.C.)
  • Hi everyone,

    By the way, I agree with Tom on all of this hoopla about Suzuki not trying to sell these. I don't know where Chuck is from, but I have 3 Dealers in my area alone, and I know one of the service managers and at all three of these dealers, there is not one Verona sitting in the back of the lot, as a matter of fact, these cars are selling very good in the Chicago market, I see them on the road every morning. Anyways, I went to the Chicago Auto Show and I talked with one of the parts analyst people from the Suzuki office in Woodale, Illinois, and asked him a couple of questions. First, I asked him if they are planning on getting rid of these cars in 2006. He said that the Verona is selling very well, as well as the Forenza. He said the difference in the amount you see on the road is because of the price difference, and the Forenza is liked much more by people in their teens to early twenties, because they like the smaller cars like the civic and focus, and most are in college and cannot afford to spend the 17,000 for the Verona. The Verona is aimed more as the family vehicle, even though I think it is a sporty family car. The Second question was about the feeling of the engine kinda cutting out at 45 MPH. This is not a big deal, my car does it every once in a while, but all cars can do something wierd at certain times. He told me that that is the Fuzzy logic transmission on the car, it learned upon your driving style, whether you jack rabbit, or start normal off of a stop light, to shift at the 45MPH point or a little earlier, depending on which you do coming off of a light. 3rd question is about some of the people here, inculding myself, that were having problems with the car sounding like it was knocking when reducing from high speeds. He said they found that the dealers were putting 10w-40 in the cars instead of the 5w-30 that is supposed to be in the car. As you know, at high speeds and hot temp in the engine, the 10w-30 thins out and likes to drain back to the oil pan instead of staying up near the lifters. I did my own oil change and found that this took car of the problem. If you go to the dealer for an oil change, ask them to use 5w-30 in your car. we talked for nearly a half hour about the car, and I found out all of this, when the dealer won't tell you jack because they really have no clue.

    Hope this Helps

    Peter:)
  • I purchased a 2004 Chevrolet Epica (which is an almost-identical twin to the Verona) early June 2004. The car was great - it had all the features we were looking for. Furthermore, the car (called the Daewoo Magnus in Korea) is actually a high-class sedan that has been in production for several years in Korea.

    Almost immediately, we ran into problems with our car stalling. In the beginning, the car only stalled when we were stopped at a red light or a stop sign, but on the odd occasion, it would stall while we were actually accelerating in the middle of a freeway.

    We took the car in about 9-10 times at a local dealership where we got the car from, but the problem wouldn't get fixed. The ECM Valve is the issue, they said. They replaced it and it still didn't work. They tried all sorts of things and I think I may have driven my car about 5 times over the next several months while they were working on my car to find a problem.

    I should say that the dealership did give it its best shot. GM was the company that wasn't quite so co-operative.

    That's when I called GM directly and vented my concerns and even hinted at the possibility of a lawsuit. I didn't think it was right for GM to put me in a car that could put my life at risk.

    On September 2004, GM agreed to buy back our faulty Epica and got me a brand new model. It has stalled once, but after they did the "lean fuel" recall, it has not stalled since and it has been a wonderful car.
  • My problems so far:
    Bought the car in July 2004.
    Dealer stopped selling Suzuki in November.
    Recall was performed on Ecm.
    The only running problem has been, the car sometimes acts like it is stalling or surging between 45-55 mph. (transmission?)
    Check engine light came on at 8200 miles, 2 weeks ago. Drove 100 miles to nearest dealer to find oxygen sensor bad. Reset light and ordered part. Light is still off, but will have to drive another 100 miles each way to have the sensor changed.
    I am pretty happy with the Verona, the worst issue to me is the dealer in Chattanooga losing it's franchise and now having to drive to Atlanta.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "Almost immediately, we ran into problems with our car stalling. In the beginning, the car only stalled when we were stopped at a red light or a stop sign, but on the odd occasion, it would stall while we were actually accelerating in the middle of a freeway."

    There is no excuse for a car to stall while merging on to a FREEWAY. I am glad they bought back your car and got you another. This just proves my point. If GM knew what was wrong and how to fix it, they would not have purchased your car back from you. I maintain they have these issues and don't know what they are. We know one thing for sure-the dealers just can't seem to fix them-and that is not good news. You are now the SECOND PERSON I know of on this board who got a buy back! These cars ARE NOT SELLING in Southern California.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Tom

    I saw that on MSN's auto WEB site. I used the 2004 figures for the Verona. They do not yet have any comments on the 2005. I guess that everyone is very happy with their 2005's.

    I like sites like this. Contributors get one shot. Here problems can seem exagerated because those unhappy will be the bulk of the contributers, many times over and over. This is not to say that there is anything wrong with that. That is what this site is for.

    Tom
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    -"Well I really don't have any complaints about how the transmission shifts-but it could be better". I think what this statement really means is-"Well- I really don't like the shifting pattern (there goes that darn ECM again!) but I guess I will have to put up with it!" Oh well....

    Charlie,

    When did you become a mind reader. I made that statement and I did not mean that. I am a realistic person and did not expect a perfect Automobile. I perfection is your criterea, maybe you should buy a Rolls.

    Tom
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    "Leading the way, American Suzuki enjoyed a near 30% sales increase over last September, due to the strength of their new car models, the Forenza and Verona. The strong month put Suzuki 25% ahead of 2003 sales to date."

    http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=24306

    Another example of fact over fiction.

    Tom F
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Tom,
    No one has ever said the Suzuki isn't selling cars. It would seem that common sense would surmise that their sales would have to be up, simply because they have more models to sell. However, the link you provided does indeed say sales are up-but does not mention the breakdown. Their sales would be up if their product mix was 90% Forenza and 10% Verona. What "PR" is Suzuki going to put out? Something like-" Our sales are up last year on the sales of the Forenza which appears to be a good car, and we are selling a few units of the Verona which we have had numerous problems with, especially when you consider the weak sales volume!" Yes, if it's in print it must be true!!!
  • Hello all. I just bought my Verona less than 24 hours ago. I researched many cars for months before deciding to trade in my car for the Verona. Verona seemed to be the best buy for the money. I got a great deal. I bought a wrap 100,000 mile bumper/bumper-YES BUMPER/BUMPER-not just power train. It’s only available for Verona's with less than 10,000 miles-I advise anyone who drives 30,000 miles per year for their profession, to get this warranty. It's well worth it if the price of the car is knocked down a bit..use your negotiating skills..smiles..

    By the way, make sure if you buy one of these warranties, that they are giving you the ZERO deductible bumper-bumper 100,000 and not the $100.00 deductible one-YOU HAVE TO "ASK" for the zero deductible one if they are making you a deal that includes the wrap warranty. For example, when you are making a deal and then the dealer says "How about if I give you this price PLUS a wrap bumper/ bumper 100,000 mile warranty at no charge?" If a dealer does this, make sure that if you decide to take them up on this, that you say "Yes, but this must INCLUDE the zero deductible plan." Also you need to make sure that financing department (the place you go to do all your paper work, and solidifying of the deal) puts a zero deductible on your invoice as well!! I ended up paying 300 $ more for my warranty because I didn't clarify the type of coverage I said "yes" to in the beginning-I didn’t realize there was a 100 $ deductible vs. Zero deductible option till too later. Oh one more thing..in order to utilize your zero deductible plan, you have to go to the dealer from which you bought the car. So remember this when you buy a warranty such as that.

    Anyway, as I was saying, I spent months researching and debating whether or not to get a newer car with barely any miles-"Cause you never buy brand new"-well not "usually" although I see alot of you have bought new and gotten great deals on your Verona's...smiles....Anyway, usually buying a car that's one year old with low low miles is better on your pocket book.

    So as I was saying, I compared "used" with less than 9,000 miles, but with all the bells and whistles (Suzuki EX- leather, heated seats, sunroof, woodgrain,I6, etc..), or a higher end car with more miles with same options and similar price range (there is no way to get a higher end car with all the options of the Suzuki unless you get a higher end car that's older with high mileage ie: Audi, Lexus, VW Passat etc...)-

    So I decided on getting "more for less" by buying the Verona. It had approx 9.1 on the customer reviews scale, and the reviews that I read in the beginning were all positive but ONE. I also read a "drive" review that Edmunds posted on this site that told about the drive of the vehicle etc...it was all POSITIVE...I was soooooo happy last night when I drove home in my new budget luxury car!!!!!!

    Well....I get online this morning and begin looking up some other specs on the Verona,(due to being soo excited,) which led me to decide to DIVE back into the customer reviews to read all the other positive reviews, because now I can relate to them since I actually have my car now.

    AND THEN I checked out the forum (this place)..........

    I was mortified, horrified, however you want to put it! I cried after reading all the NEGATIVE feed back!!!!!!!! Where were all this Negative reviews in the "customer reviews" section of the site for the Verona EX? They are not there! What’s up with the approx 9.1 customer rating, which is high?? According this forum, the customer review rate should be somewhere around a 3!

    So here I sat sobbing, stomach hurting, etc...Then a bright Positive reality came to mind that I wanted to share with the rest of you who have bought this car.......

    Yes Suzuki Verona has some problems with recalls, BUT let me tell you, my 2002 Jetta 1.8 Turbo had PLENTY of recalls, and they are have a rep of being the top of the line "German made" cars. There were lots of recalls on it. The dealer would always catch them when I took my car in for service (oil changes etc...) They would simply give me a loaner car for the day or the week, fix the recalled item at no charge and then I was on my happy way. The important thing is that the loaner car was available so I could get to my customers when I had to work...

    Anyway, I know that Suzuki will be the same way. They will have recalls, give us a loaner car, and then we will be on our merry way! OH, and IF YOU HAVEN'T BOUGHT A SUZUKI YET, THEN MAKE SURE THE DEALER YOU BUY IT FROM OFFERS "free" SERVICE LOANERS..THIS WAY, YOU WILL NOT BE "CAR-LESS" IF YOU NEED TO HAVE A WARRANTIED OR RECALLED PART FIXED, OR A SCHEDULED MAINTENENCE DONE ON YOUR CAR.

    Think of it this way....Does anyone ever shop at discount grocery stores ie: Market Place? I didn't use to 'til I was told about them by a friend. I am glad I started shopping there, cause, shopping there cut my grocery bill in half...I went from spending 300 dollars a grocery run, to spending around 130-150. I saved $1800.00 per year on groceries! There is a catch though...you have to check expiration dates on lunch meats, salad dressings and a few other things you buy, cause some things are out of date, so you just put it back grab one with a regular date. It is a hassle, but the time it takes me to check the dates, and pick up a product with a desired exp date, on the small amount of items, doesn't compare to the value I am getting out of saving 1,800 dollars per year in groceries.

    In closing, yes, there are recalls, and bugs, but even the high end cars have this going on. So we are getting a better price and do not have to sacrifice our bells and whistles... we are getting our leather, power moon roof, heated seats, wood grain, I6, and a fabulous warranty etc...All a value with out having to fork out our kidney to pay for it.


    SO MY FINAL SAY ON THE SUZUKI VERONA EX IS THIS....

    SUZUKI VERONA EX ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!! I give it a 10!

    Congrats to all who own and love this car!!!!

    Mine is the shiny black one. What color is your EX?

    Sincerely,

    Sunshine

    Parkland Washington....
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "I was mortified, horrified, however you want to "put it! I cried after reading all the NEGATIVE feed back!!!!!!!! Where were all this Negative reviews in the "customer reviews" section of the site for the Verona EX? They are not there! What’s up with the approx 9.1 customer rating, which is high?? According this forum, the customer review rate should be somewhere around a 3!"

    First of all Sunshine... congrats on your new car purchase. I think you did the right thing by buying the "wrap warranty" and the loaner car program. I don't mean to be negative... but you will probably use both. The thing about consumer reviews; these are generally a very poor place to research the car. This is why. When someone spends $15,000.00 to $20,000.00 thousand (or more)on a new car, people tend to "rationalize" their purchase, no matter how bad their purchase turns out to be. And this doesn't only happen with cars, it happens to other major purchases as well. (Ever know anyone who purchased a house and found out it was in a crime ridden-or poor performing school area?). Here's upside for you-you are right, chances are no matter how much trouble your Verona may/may not give you, it will not compare to your Volkswagen!
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Interesting comment Chuck. On the one hand you are saying that Suzuki hides their Veronas in the back lot because they are ashamed of them, then you say the PR is squeing the figures to make the Verona stand out.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Some people read something into the quality of the Verona and the promotion that Suzuki does. I work in television. I remember the buzz flowing around the studio when a big named start was scheduled for an interview. We knew that they had a new movie soon to be released soon and it was a dog. Promote the hell out of it and hope that people see it before word spreads. With sattelite interviews, we don't see this any more.

    Generally you promote that which you are not proud of, not that which you are. Get it sold before word spreads. Either that or pull them completely. Interesting that people connect pride and car salesmen.

    New Veronas, especially 2004 models, sitting on the back lot is a very good sign. Be very careful of the highly promoted model up front.

    Tom

    Here in KC, enjoyng my new Verona EX.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Chuck, Sunshine,
    Sunshine..congrats on the new car!!! You got a super deal!!. I know my question sounds funny, but why would the dealer/suzuki offer such a warantee on the Car?.It leaves me - a Verona user for more than a year nervous. I get questions in my head---Is the current Verona model being scrapped---engine and trans and all?. What will happen to the parts and support?. I read on the web grapevine that the next Verona (I think it is being planned to be continued) will be scrapping the inline 6 and a GM engine and trans is being planned--this is not official and I would ask all to verify this. The engine may be provided in variants from 2.7L to 3.5L based on the epsilon platform?. I dont know if this is correct but i am just mentioning what I read on the web. So I wonder if they are axe-ing the inline 6. Sad because the inline is the smoothest engine I have driven.
    Meanwhile my Verona is doing fine at 7800 miles. They checked out the fault on my driver window and replaced the switch..guess what? they found that the motor needed to be replaced. This brings me to the point that Zuki has to step up QC on the Car to boost sales and save trouble for the users as well as itself. Hyundai seems to be reaping rewards due to this..lookout for the new cars coming soon. Inthe process the Costs appear to have gone up. Comments...?
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "On the one hand you are saying that Suzuki hides their Veronas in the back lot because they are ashamed of them, then you say the PR is squeing the figures to make the Verona stand out."

    Yes, Suzuki is doing "Spin Marketing". And dealers only put in their front line what is selling. Go to most dealerships and you see trucks and SUVs in the front lines, because those are what is selling. If the Veronas were selling, the dealers would have a lot more of them, and they would be in the front line.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Chuck,
    Quite hoestly, I don't care about Suzukis supposed problems. All I know is that I got an excellent deal on a car that I really like. On the other hand, you didn't.

    Tom
    Verona Cruising
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    All that matters is that your happy!
  • Hello sunshine.. If you read back, you will find my posts, and you will be happy to see that i have a 2004 verona ex i leased in dec of 2004. I have had no problems at all, and i have 22,104 miles on this car since i use it for business. Yes i had the ecm replaced, but i never experienced the problems that everyone said they had. I just figured i would have it replace since it was recalled. I love this car, and get compliments all the time on looks and driving of the verona. Not every car is perfect, i had a saturn L200 before this, and the power steering pump went bad after 10,000 miles and the steering column also had to be replaced. Enjoy this car, and judge it by yourself, not what anyone tells you.
  • hope2hope2 Posts: 8
    I think we all have different experiences. And I really hope for all of you who think you got a good one that you do. And yes I loved my ride when I first got it too. BUT! I did not get a good one. I have went to arbitration and lost because I was told by the attorney general that I did not need a attorney. Boy did I feel stupid when Suzuki high money attorney twisted every thing I said. And also said he never got papers I sent certifed. It was a joke, the hole thing was unfare and most of all I know how Suzuki is.Im very sad and unhappy with my car,and belive me I wish I was not.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Remember, half the lies you hear, aren't true.

    Tom
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