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Suzuki Verona

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  • Hi,

    Just an FYI, Autozone now carries the oil filter for the Verona. It is made by STP and the model number is S-2903. It is only 2.99 versus the $7 that the dealer charges for it.

    Happy oil changing,

    Peter
  • All companies should take the smart approach and use hubcaps that are secured with lug nuts.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    Tom,

    I notice that Keystone Suzuki, in Mission, has a used 2004. Why not see if they will let you drive it. Dealers are usually less sensitive about putting a few miles on a used vehicle then a new one.

    Tom F
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Peter,
    This is great news. I have been considering using Syn-Oil. The only downside is that I have lower miles per month as my office is near home. I change oil every 3 months never-the less as I have more stop and go situations. My dealer told me that the only down side is that once you have put in synth. you can't back track to regular oil. Also I want to know if this will be a negative factor when you want to sell the Car in future (the buyer would have to be informed that he would need to add Synth.). I have also added STP fuel injector/system cleaner. The car runs with more power. I have 7800 miles and the Car runs fine. I have to go to the dealer to fit my driver-side window motor as this was faulty. This is under warantee. I may switch to synth. later. If so how often do you have to change?. How much extra do you spend on Oil?. I usually do it at the dealer 7 quarts at $22.0 incl labor.
    I had asked the forum as to why there are no Ad's on the Verona anymore. I personally don't like the new Suzuki ad..it seems incoherant and loud.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "My dealer told me that the only down side is that once you have put in synth. you can't back track to regular oil."

    That is SIMPLY NOT TRUE. You can even mix regular oil with Synthetic if you have to. Of course you would lose the benefits of synthetic oil. This is yet another case of a dealer not knowing what they are talking about.....
    FROM A COMPETITIVE WEBSITE>>>>>

    "Many of those manufacturers used to advise against mixing synthetics with regular oils until they found that they were denying themselves of much of their markets by doing so. Now these synthetics are made so that they can be mixed without any trouble............." But they advise against doing so....."
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    I think that you answered your own question rasup, about the Veroan ad's. A given ad is targeted for a specific demographic. In fact an entire ad campaign usually targets a specific group. This presents a coherent image for an advertiser. By your response, you can see that someone that is attracted to the Verona is not in the demographic that Suzuki is after, at this time.

    This is just my perspective but I see the Verona as a Buick for the person who would never own a Buick. It's roomy, comfortable to drive, feature laden, and conservatively, but tastefully styled. It's also a lot cheaper than a Buick. Even the high torque engine is reminiscent of the Buicks of the past with their big V8's. It's a great cruisen car. No one bought a Buick to set a speed record.

    This could be a winner. There is a big aging population that has grown up driving imports. That's me. I drove a Mitsu Eclipse 5 speed for 14 years. Fun car. Anyone want it, it's setting in my drive. Let's make a deal. But I am ready for my Buick, I just didn't want to admit it, and I didn't want to pay for it and I don't like GM cars.

    I am considering synthetic oil. I don't believe that there are any problems associated with a synthetic. I have heard that there is a noticeable, if small, improvement in gas mileage and engine performance on synthetics. I figure that I change my oil about every 3500-4000 miles now. I will up it to the factory remonended 7500 miles. I figure I will about break even.

    Tom

    Cruisen in KC
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Tom,
    I agree on the demographic targetting, but this does not answer why there are no verons ads. Does that mean that there are no demographics for the Verona?. Or is there something else?. It seems that the ads are like putting more fuel into the fire (an analogy) - it seems that more ads on the forenza would increase focus on the sales which are increasing. But I thought ads also boosted sagging sales and Verona is selling 19% less than last year. Comments Tom?.
  • GM Announced they will start building Chevy Epica's in China to help with the GM brand and Image in China. See www.autonews.com for the story. You can't read the entire story without buying the story, but you can get the jest of it. Must not be too bad of a car if they want it to represent them (GM) in China. Epica is the identical car to the Verona.
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    Comparing on the Daewoo website in Korea, the Verona is the Magnus classic, and the Epica is the Magnus Eagle. The Epica shares with the Magnus Eagle nicer rear lights.
  • pciro2180pciro2180 Posts: 43
    Hi guys,

    Chuck is right, you can mix the two oils together, but it would be the same as using a synthetic blend motor oil. Synthetic blend is the two of them put together. As far as the price, I went to Walmart and was able to get the # 1 rated Mobil 1 Extended Peromance that is 15,000 guanteed between oil changes. I paid only 23.00 for 5 Qts, and after the extra two quarts were bought and I bought the oil filter at Autozone, the total cost was about 40.00. It is not hard to change the oil on this car, although you really can't reach the filter from under the car, it is much easier i have found to let the car down off the jack and then change the filter from the top because the filter is that high up on the motor. I did alot of research on this oil, I have the resources because I work at the Citgo Refinery in Lemont, Illinois, and found out that the Mobil 1 is the best oil. For 40.00 and 15,000 miles or 1 year whichever comes first, you can't beat that deal. All of my friends have had improved performance in their cars with the syn oil. One Dodge Dakota 4X4,one GMC Sierra, and one Nissan Sentra. Any more questions, let me know.
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    rasup,

    If the Verona is targeted for a different demographic, then you would needed to project a different image. Think about it, you only can have one image.

    As far as sales, where did you get your figures? I cannot find any recent sales figures on the internet. If 2005 sales are down, it's because they still have 2004's leftover. They overproduced the EX model. That's the only 2004 model that you see in this town. One dealer was advertising a 2004 Verona EX new for $14,500. Until those are gone, the 2005 models won't move. In fact, this might be the reason that Suzuki isn't pushing the Verona. They are just letting the dealers handle the 2004 sell-off.

    The idea that Suzuki is going to abandon this car, because of start-up problems is just unfounded. They have way too much invested in it.

    Tom
  • kctomkctom Posts: 46
    I see where Autozone also carries the ACDelco PF-57 I think. Whatever, it's an AC filter that fits the Verona according to ACDelco. I like AC filter better than STP.

    Also WIX is getting ready to introduce a filter for the Verona. Their WEB site lists a filter but notes that this has not been officially released yet.

    All of these automotive insiders doing all of this for a car that Suzuki is going to discontinue. I don't buy it.

    Tom
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Tom,
    Sorry Tom, I dont get it. Can you explain?. If you see the current ad, they flash the names of all other Suzuki cars. I do understand that this ad is geared to the younger folk. From what you say another specific ad should appear for the Verona. Do you remember that the Verona was targetted against the Camry?. I know that its only a year. But to match the Camry's sales does'nt Zuki have to push the ad's?. Foe Sales info see the suzukiauto.com site for press releases. In Jan 2005 the Verona sold 19% less as compared to Jan 2004. For Feb 2004 it sold the same numbers as Jan-04. I think you can notice the impact of ad's.--see what the ad's for Cobalt have done?. Personally I liked last years Verons ad. This brings me to argue that even if 2004 models are to be pushed..you DO need to give ads. Maybe they want to do it through the dealer specials?. According to Suzuki, they plan to put a small SUV in 2005 and a big SUV soon ( Concept-X?). They also plan to put a new mid-size sedan in 2006!! I heard that they would use GM engine for that ( not verified). So it might be a Verona with an axed inline 6 and new V6? I dont know.... Also from autonews columns---GM will be marketing Chevy epica ( Verona) under the Chevy name and the Daewoo name will not be used. Web news also indicates that GM is setting up to manufacture the Verona in China. All these are web news and need to be confirmed. Does It seem GM will be playing a big role as far as development of Verona is concerned?..
    About AC filters, the user manual recommends to change it after 7500 miles in severe drive conditions. My dealer knew nothing about it. Where is this located?. I dont know if you noticed, but on operating simple fan a foul smell does come up at times.
    Thanks Peter, you have valueable info for the forum. Comments?
  • You can find out all about your cabin a/c filter including detailed instructions on how to change it in a little book called "the owners manual" If you bought yours used, and don't have a book then here goes: The filter is under the hood by the firewall on the passenger side. You have to remove the rubber/plastic grille that is over the whole thing and then you will get to the filter. Replace it and then replace the coverings, etc. Hope this helps. Same place as my former Daewoo Leganza.
  • rasuprasup Posts: 136
    Bloom- I will check it out. Thanks. Tom the PF-57 you refer to appears to be an oil filter. I could not find any referance to an AC filter on autozone.
    Comments?
  • a/c filter for my Daewoo was always dealer only item. Prob. the same for the Verona.
  • pciro2180pciro2180 Posts: 43
    The filter we are refering to is indeed the oil filter.
  • pciro2180pciro2180 Posts: 43
    Rasup,

    I have noticed the smell, as though the in cabin filter is not filtering it out. I can really smell the exhaust of the cars in front of me, however if you change the fan to circulate only the air inside of the car, the smell does go away. My next step is to replace the cabin air filter, if i can find it, and see if the smell goes away. I have driven a couple of different cars from different makers that have that same problem. My wifes Nissan Altima does the same thing and the dealer says that it is natural that you be able to smell that. I say that is a bunch of b.s. Car still running great with the syn oil. Used to be really sluggish in the morning,Here in Chicago winters are a b****, after changing it, 30 seconds after the motor is running, the car is running like it is up at 200 degrees.
  • pciro2180pciro2180 Posts: 43
    Tom,

    Thanks for the info, Maybe the AC Delco filter is not yet available here in Chicago, and Pep Boys Auto told me that WIX was coming out with one, but that was last October.

    Peter(Freezing in Chicago)
  • pciro2180pciro2180 Posts: 43
    Did everyone know that the dealer has a parts book for a full body kit, tailights and all? I found out from my service manager, and saw pics of the car with the body kit and it looks pretty sweet. I don't know if I want to drop 2 grand though for a body kit. Comments?

    Peter
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