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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • grove4grove4 Posts: 95
    I thought I would respond to your forester xt/05 legacy gt comparo.I have a black premium package xt.The forester is great bopping around town, haulin stuff and tight parking lots at the grocery store.And it is a real sleeper.The legacy is like a touring car with great handling comfortable ride and more back seat room.Oh yeah,the back seat in the forester is pretty tight for two adults.I have a 6 week old and the car seat in the back between the two front seats makes me tilt the seat back up some.So I would never drive to far with it,couple hours or so tops.Also the xt is not quiet inside,not loud but just not as tight and quiet as the legacy.In my honest opinion I feel like the xt forester premium pakage at 28k should be a little cheaper when you compare it to a legacy.But last year the new legacy wasnt out and I wasnt interested in the old legacy.By the way Im 6ft3 so maybe you wont have any back seat issues.I have back seat issues with alot of cars.Usually Its only my baby in the back anyway.But I wouldnt sit back there in the forester.Also the forester doesnt have power seats or dual climate control and is more plasticy inside.It doesnt have a 5sp auto.I guess the more I think about it I would get the legacy wagon b/c it seems like a better deal when you add it up.Really unless you you get a totally loaded fxt at around 25k or so I think the legacy wagon is a better deal and a better car for the money.Other people might not think so but its not hard to figure it out,they have the same motor so that cant be compared.I think the fxt needs more soundproofing a 5sp auto with steering wheel controls and dual power seats and still be 2k less than a legacy gt wagon or no comparison.Just my 2 cents.
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    XM Radio: I don't think it's unreasonable not to have XM radio as an option. It's just starting to catch on and not everyone wants it quite yet. If it continues to grow, I'm sure Subaru will add it as an option.

    Outback Aussie: Congratulations!

    Ken
  • sandwoodsandwood Posts: 3
    My parking spot is off an alley and has a relatively tight and narrow turn in. I currently own an audi wagon (a4) and, if I'm not careful, it sometimes requires a two point turn to park and to exit the parking spot. this is ok for me, but my wife tends to be uncomfortable with it.

    I've been considering the new legacy gt wagon. it is about 3 inches longer than my car, but it has a smaller turning circle. my question, then (and maybe it is a dumb one, I don't know) is whether the smaller turning circle will *definitely* translate into it actually being easier to park the legacy over the audi, even though the legacy is longer? I'm not sure. does the longer wheelbase have any relevance? the steering ratio?

    It wd be nice if the subaru dealers would give me a 24 hour test drive, but that doesn't seem likely. any input would be appreciated. if the turn in is easier, I would have an easier time justifying the legacy over, for example, a wrx.
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Unfortunately, I don't think smaller turning radius always translates into easier to park. For two cars the same physical size, yes, but the A4 is a shorter car.

    I think the only way to find out is to try one!

    Ken
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    Even as these two are becoming popular, there is still a debate on which to get. XM is more popular, but Sirus is making a name for itself.

    With this being said, it seems like it would be more of a marketing ploy by either to be standard in a particular automobile (yes, I think this is the case with the Acura TL).

    Especially since both charge a monthly fee.
  • jchagtdijchagtdi Posts: 55
    Sorry if this has already been answered here.

    I know the auto GT has steering wheel shift buttons, but are manual transmission GTs equipped with steering wheel mounted audio controls? These are found on all uplevel Accords, Altimas, 6s, and Passats, so one would expect a car like the Legacy to have this feature. Oh, let me guess, I have to buy a $34,000 VDC to get remote audio controls too?!?!?????

    What's up with getting soaked when you open the door of an '05 Legacy? We can nit pick about lack of XM, stability control and remote audio controls, but I feel badly for anyone in the Pacific NW or in Florida who deal with lots of rain on a regular basis. It's shocking to me that this could have been overlooked in an otherwise superbly executed vehicle.
  • salbaby1972salbaby1972 Posts: 165
    Solution?

    If raining, etc...:
    1. Open door.
    2. Let water run off. (Make sure to keep are away from falling water.)
    3. Wait until water funs off door gasket and exit car.

    Problem solved?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Water still might drain inside the car, get the seat and/or carpet wet.

    Just open the door slowly, give the rain a chance to drain. The doors are double sealed, so let the 2nd seal catch the water.

    -juice
  • grove4grove4 Posts: 95
    I had the legacy for about three weeks and never noticed this.Last saturday it rained hard all day and nothing abnormal happend.I dont get what all this talk is about.Nothing is any different from any other car.
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    I haven't been following the XM vs. Sirius developments so I'm not really qualified to answer (I like to schlep all my tunes on an iPod). I think Lucien was cross shopping the two so he might be able to give more insight -- you can catch him on MTM or the FXT forums.

    Right, and there's the issue of the monthly fee. It's fine that the feature is "standard" on some vehicles, but it's usage isn't free. It sounds more like a win for XM or Sirius at this point.

    Ken
  • salbaby1972salbaby1972 Posts: 165
    I rather have a input jack on the head unit for my MP3 and WMA's before XM.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,734
    Right, and there's the issue of the monthly fee. It's fine that the feature is "standard" on some vehicles, but it's usage isn't free. It sounds more like a win for XM or Sirius at this point.

    I thought the internet collapse taught everyone that not charging for your product wasn't a valid business model!!

    We pay for satellite or cable TV. This just extends the business model to radio. People who drive in areas of poor reception or who want to have a certain format/genre with them all the time, satellite radio is a great solution.
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    "We pay for satellite or cable TV. This just extends the business model to radio. People who drive in areas of poor reception or who want to have a certain format/genre with them all the time, satellite radio is a great solution. "

    - I don't know. My CDs seem to do a great job in playing what I want. The MP3 solution sounds very viable too.
  • salbaby1972salbaby1972 Posts: 165
    How about a dealer installed XM radio option and a standard input jack. We both win! Subaru needs to offer XM as a dealer install at least for its premium-ness.
  • snowbirdsnowbird Posts: 120
    How does the armrest extension (as an accessory) work? When extended, wouldn't it interfere with the parking brake, which is next to the center console? Thanks.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,734
    - I don't know. My CDs seem to do a great job in playing what I want. The MP3 solution sounds very viable too.

    Different solutions for different folks. CD's and MP's are just one more thing for me to take care of. I currently don't have a need for satellite radio as Boston has plenty of over the air choice. I do admit that in my car, I carry 3 CD's - Shrek, Shania, and some Disney Radio one. None are for me!!
  • snowbirdsnowbird Posts: 120
    Good to hear nothing happened to your Legacy. Hope the OB is built the same way. Will try to open the doors slowly, as suggested. Thanks for all the suggestions.
  • joajoa Posts: 8
    Thanks for the reply, Kens. My wife doesn't like the head room in the 04 and I really love the 05, but that price. I looking at spending 27K max. leaning towards used vechile w/AWD-wagon or suv size for famliy needs. Any suggestions?

    Do you (or anyone else know) if the 05 2.5xt 4 cyl.(I think) have a good amount of power? I go to Tahoe a bunch and wonder how it does on hills.

    Thank you,
    Joa
  • I am also looking at a 2.5i Wagon. I live in the South Bay. Carlsen in Redwood City and the Santa Cruz dealer have good reputations. Stevens Creek does not, but you should check for yourself. If you have just emailed for quotes, most likely the dealer isn't going to offer you their final price up front. You will have to negotiate to get near the invoice. Carsdirect.com has the 2.5i wagon for $900 over invoice, about $23K with the automatic. I think a price point around $22750 would be possible if you negotiated your pants off. The 05 legacy is definitely an attractive vehicle, but there is still a great deal of competition plus huge incentives and rebates from other manufacturers. Good Luck and let us know how you fair.
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Joa,

    I don't believe there is a big difference in headroom between the 04 and 05. If headroom is a must-have, you might want to check out the Forester. The Forester XT also gets the 2.5 turbo and has gobs of power. The 04 Forester Xt is probably selling at a very competitive price too.

    The 2.5 turbo will do great at Tahoe. I currently drive a 98 Forester S 5MT and despite the altitude, it does fine on I-80 and I-50. The turbo is far better at higher altitudes than a normally aspirated car because the turbo can maintain intake manifold pressure. I can imagine how much better it will be when I drive up there for snowboarding!

    Ken
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