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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's that "trickle down goodness" someone mentioned above. I loved that catch phrase. Subaru should put that in its advertising.

    But then it would be hard to justify why a VDC costs almost double what the 2.5i costs.

  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    I haven't heard much on demand for the 2005's. Are they meeting Subarus sales expectations or are they falling short due to the much discussed price points?

    Just curious.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Legacy sales just had a record July. Could be they cleared out the 04s, but they had to have a lot of 05s in there too, to break a record.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    there are a lot more Legacys, especially turbos, now on dealer lot than in the past. SOA must have revised the Legacy-to-Outback production ratio this year. I think that's great. I was worried that Subaru may still only produce just a trickle of Legacys, and that's not the case this year.

  • rob_mrob_m Somewhere North of BostonPosts: 795
    I have only seen about 4 new Outbacks, which is surprising low for the number of Subarus in NH.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The July sales split did have more Legacy than before, but the Outback is still outselling it by far.

    It used to be 3 to 1, though, now I bet it's more like 2 to 1.

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,597
    I love statistics:

    In 07/03 appx 71% of all Legacies sold were OB's

    In 07/04 appx 68% of all Legacies sold were OB's.

    My calcs based on numbers.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    75% would be 3 to 1, so I was pretty darn close.

    67% would be 2 to 1, again almost exactly.

    What do I win? LOL

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,597
    What do I win? LOL


    Edmunds Retail TMV trade on your Forester and Miata on an 04 Odyssey at Invoice.

    Welcome to the dark side.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    We take delivery of our Legacy 2.5i 4EAT on Tuesday! The dealer lot has VERY few 2.5i models. There were two 2.5i Limiteds, the rest were GTs, with more GTs than GT Limiteds. (Im speaking only of sedans, btw).

  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I really love the vehicle. One thing that is going to take some getting used to is the quaking idle when cold. Our Camry's 2.4L VVTi engine is smooth as silk. And for what its worth, that is an exceptional machine for its intended purpose as well, despite that people routinely deride it for the lack of excitement<IMO. For $21 grand (LE plus Side Curtains), you cant find a better combination of comfort, quietness, efficiency, ride, room, safety and reliability. The Accord certainly has a handling edge, but the Camry is a lux ride.

    PS- Our Sube is Regal Blue. Damn, that color is GREAT on this car. For me, its gotta be the Regal, the Black, or on the GTs... that is a great red... whats it called?
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    So far, I've seen only 1 2.5i wagon and one OB XT wagon on the road. No other GTs to be seen here in the Bay Area.

    Hey, I contributed to that 68% in July! :-)

  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    I'm still driving the only one I have seen locally!! The local dealer has all the same cars in stock that I looked at over 3 weeks ago. So it would seem like they are not moving in this area.

    I'm at 953 miles, 20.1 mpg avg. I did a little preemptive sportshifting to get ready for the party at 1000 miles. WOW! Nice to have a fast Outback.

    I do hear a variable hum noise from about 45mph on up (but no vibration). Hopefully it's a wheel/tire out of balance (or perhaps the tires are that noisy). Part of me suspects a bad wheel bearing but that would seem low probability. Given my previous experience with Subarus coming from the factory with unbalanced wheels/tires, that seems more likely.

    Believe it or not, I was going to take the car to Firestone to have all the wheels balanced, but they cannot do a dynamic balance on wheels with stick-on weights!! Huh?!? They could do a static balance, but that would likely be much worse than the factory balance job. So, I am in search of another tire shop. My local Subaru dealer has never done good balance jobs, so I am not going there.

  • Hi everybody,

    Hope your Legacies and Outbacks are going well.

    I have just hit 1200 miles and averaging about 18-19mpg overall. High of 25mpg on a 300km round trip at 100km/h. Low of about 16mpg round town driving.

    Car is proving good with no issues, except a few (expected) marks on the taupe upholstery.

    A couple of points/questions. An Australian 4wd magazine called Overlander tested the Outback 3.0R (without VDC) recently and highlighted that it performed well on sand (due to light construction), but that it was not so good on rough trails because the car would cock diagonally opposite wheels which created wheelspin. I thought modern cars could distribute torque to individual wheels if necessary, but I guess I am wrong?

    Does VDC solve this problem?

    Secondly - someone posted recently to point out a blind spot - so despite looking in your mirrors, a car behind you to your left or right stays out of sight. I know this is generally a problem in cars, but I too have noticed this as a specifically bad problem in the '05 Outback. You really need to do a full swivel around and triple check your rear three-quarter before you change lanes. Can make ducking in and out a bit slow or risky, depending on your driving approach.

    FYI - the result of the article mentioned above - "If you really want a sporty and fun drive, the Outback is the only choice. The Outback also offers refinement, excellent fit and finish, is handy in town and tours well." But they note poor touring range, generally an issue in Australia where any trip into the outback does require 1000km fuel capacity. The winner was the Toyota Highlander (again). "No, we don't like its uninspiring on-road dynamics, but it offers excellent drivetrain refinement, good practicality, impressive build quality and solid performance."

    So no difference there to other tests, then. I think the Highlander is ugly and boring to drive, so we didn't even bother testing it.

    Finally - anybody taken their '05 Outback off-road? We have been on some muddy trails, but nothing worse than deep bumps I guess. Fun on the slippery clay roads we get here though!

    - Aussie Outback
  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    FWIW - I stopped by my dealer earlier this week to do a test drive for the $25 VISA award. They're one of the highest-volumne dealers in the Chicago metro area and they had almost no '05 Leg/OB inventory in stock. So either they sold what they had or ???. Anyway, I decided to hold off on the test drive until a Legacy GT Limited is available.
  • pathtomaxpathtomax Posts: 215
    I am still on the lookout for the XT Ltd 5-speed for a test drive in the NH area. I want to drive it compared to the VDC but all dealerships have is the auto.
  • ryanl1ryanl1 Posts: 55
    I know my dealer sold 3 GT LTD sedans including mine and I've only seen one 2.5i wagon on the road.Supply is limited in the Pacific Northwest.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Well, let me relate my experience -- there's almost no benefit to the 5spd MT on the XT in my opinion. Used to be that the autos were kind of dogs and the MT had better performance and got more out of the engine. I would say that's not the case on the XT models. In my opinion, the only reasons to go with the MT on an XT are: 1) save $1200, 2) you really-really like shifting gears.

    I thought the MT shifter on the XT was very good, but not fantastic (say compared to the shifter on my WRX or a good Honda MT). In contrast the 5EAT was really impressive. As someone who has always preferred MT, it was kind of interesting to gravitate towards the 5EAT. I'm glad I went that route.

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