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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+



  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Eeek. Shades of what Mazda NA does in the USA.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Give 'em a year or two, it'll trickle down.

  • otis123otis123 Posts: 426
    Side curtain air bags in the news again. Either Subaru is smart and leads the way or follows as a second rate manufacturer. Whether you agree or not, as boomers (the consumers with the $ to buy new cars) age, safety leads the list... And protecting ones head is at the top of the list...

    NYTimes 12/8/03:

    "Under the plan, automakers agreed to side-impact safety standards that would essentially require them to equip their vehicles with air bags that keep passengers' heads from slamming into doors when a car is struck on the side. About a quarter of 2004 models offer side air bags as standard equipment, but some offer protection only to the chest.

    The Insurance Institute has said that such equipment could save 45 percent of the drivers who are killed when their passenger cars are hit by other vehicles on the side. Accidents in which large pickups and S.U.V.'s strike cars in the side are particularly deadly for car occupants.

    Half of new vehicles will undergo the tests by 2007, or the 2008 model year, and all by 2009, or the 2010 model year.

    "I wouldn't buy a vehicle without side air bags with head protection," Stephen T. Kozak, a top safety engineer at the Ford Motor Company said in an interview this week. He added that when his brother recently bought a vehicle without side air bags, he told him to "take it back right now."


  • Safety, Value, Reliability. These were the main factors considered when I bought my Subaru in 95. Having AWD standard is what put it over the top. What’s gonna make me buy another Subaru? Same thing - Safety, Value, Reliability and AWD!

    Safety features like side curtain airbags are critical, especially with kids; and especially when competitors are making them available now. They are there to protect you from the bad drivers out there. They are not intended to be a license to drive recklessly. Neither should they be a luxury item. Simply put, they should be standard.

    Subaru used to be the only AWD wagon. Now the wagon market is exploding. Sadly, I’m letting my MBNA closeout coupon expire on New Year's Eve because it’s taken Subaru almost 10 years to actually “redesign” the Legacy - and its not even a dramatic change! IMHO, the new styling is pleasant enough, but it’s not innovative or exciting. The B4 looks like a lot of other 4dr sedans out there. I suppose the Legacy won’t see any real design innovation for at least another 5 years.

    So who’s buying the 2005? While Subaru must go after the performance enthusiast market, I think the average buyer is just plain vanilla (At 65 MPH, the base engine will get there the same time the turbo does). Turbos are a good way to get attention, but they are a small niche market. Models like the Legacy SE are the value leaders for the average buyer and should be heavily promoted in 2005. Yeah, I’d spring for the an SE package w/sunroof and alloy wheels (if it’s a good deal); as long as Subaru doesn’t make me buy a larger engine, Macintosh and leather to get it. And if Subaru resists on making side curtain airbags standard, an SE model is probably the best place to put them.

    Subaru would be shooting itself in the foot if doesn’t take this opportunity to put out the best car with the best features available. There's just too much product out there. I bought my wagon for safety, reliability, value and AWD. I hope to be able to say the same thing about my next one – and I hope it will be a Subaru.
  • Have anyone of you heard or tried the "Tornado" fuel saver? It's a on TV thing that I saw the other night. save fuel n boost hp?

    Should check this link out for some 3D legacy:

    click either sedan or wagon(enter).
  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,922
    Anybody gullible enough to believe the claims for these things, I have an interprovincial bridge that goes across the Ottawa river that I can sell cheap :-)

       Cheers Pat.
  • rangnerrangner Posts: 336
    What do you mean by

     "and its not even a dramatic change! IMHO, the new styling is pleasant enough, but it’s not innovative or exciting"?

    Is your idea of innovation just styling? What about the addition of variable valve timing, an all new 5-speed auto w/ sportshift and a 4-speed auto w/ sportshift? And the turbo option? Gas mileage is also supposed to go up while hp& torque will too.

    BTW have you ever driven a turbocharged car? From my understanding the new subaru turbos have greatly deduced lag and improved performance.
    I'd say you'll feel a tremendous difference between the NA and turbo from 0-65mph.

  • Yes, I did say that the “styling… is not innovative or exciting” to me. Some reviewers agree calling it “more evolutionary than revolutionary”. Laurance Yap said that "despite being all-new …the new Legacy looks an awful lot like the old one… Elegant and timeless undoubtedly, but it's also less than I might have expected given an all-new model, and Subaru's stated intention to become a design leader.”

    Just like in matters of the heart, it’s usually the “package” that first catches the eye - so it helps when a “new” car looks really “new”. That’s why I won’t buy an ‘04 – it’s just too much like my ’95. Of course, looks alone don’t close a sale and Subaru has done much to improve the Legacy from the inside out. But it’s the B9 that’s dramatic, not the B4! That’s all I’m saying.

    Also, I totally respect your passion and enthusiasm about performance. But for me, it would be all too easy (and tempting) to push a turbo way beyond the speed limit. The last speeding ticket I got (5 points) will be the last one I ever get - because of higher insurance costs. So just give me a solid meat and potatoes NA vehicle with the best bang for the buck. The turbo is just icing on the cake. It’s great, but I'm gonna skip dessert.

    The real question is will Subaru give the consumer better value, safety, and reliability than their competitors or will the new Legacy get lost in the shuffle? I know that Subaru can deliver – we’ll just have to wait and see if their US offerings do.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think the Legacy is very handsome, kind of like the Acura TSX and Mazda6, sporty and wedge-shaped.

    As for ground breaking, look how ugly Bangle has made newer Bimmers. No thanks.

    Andreas Zapatinas' concepts like the B11S and B9 Scrambler point to a more stylish and controversial future, but the Legacy and Outback are Subaru's bread and butter, so don't be surprised if they convert these to the new radical look last.

  • redkey1redkey1 Posts: 270
    I do not think the current and 2005 legacy's look alike at all. Current version is somewhat boring in sedan form, while the 2005 is quite a good looking car IMO.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's a lot sharper, with a couple of nice highlights to keep things interesting.

    Keep in mind I own a 2002. Side-by-side mine looks old, suddenly.

  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,922
    The new legacy is a pretty good looking car, sure you can see traces of the current model in the styling but for me at least this is good, especially as juice says look the new bimmers butt ugly IMHO.

    Honda Accord has been evolutional rather that revolutional from day one and it has not hurt them one bit, you want boring look at the new Malibu it is so much like the old one it is unbelieveable this is a new car, and as for the stupid chrome bars on the grill and trunk well we won't go there.

      Cheers Pat.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Silly, too, because underneath the new Malibu is a new 9-3 platform and even the engine is much improved. I hate the styling, too, though the car itself is actually pretty good.

  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Breakthrough styling? Well, the Aztek certainly did catch eyes.

    I agree with the others. This is one case where evolutionary is actually for the best.
  • Are there really 13 speakers for the new Legacy?
    that would be s sweet.
  • mylegacy - my understanding is that the outback/legacy have six speakers, even in the premium package. The 13 speaker rig is on a different model (don't remember which one at the moment).
  • sebberrysebberry Posts: 148
    The Legacy GT Premium Pack (Subaru Australia) gets the 13 speaker setup with the McIntoch system.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I could care less about the actual number as long as it sounds good. The Mac does. :-)

  • otis123otis123 Posts: 426
    Has anyone seen a pic of the new Outback sedan? Can't find it on any of the global sites - they only have the wagon or the Legacy sedan. Is it only sold in the US?

    Also, anyone hear if Subaru is going to go to 36 months, unlimited miles warranty in the US market? 36 mo. 36,000 LLBean was up in 2 years...


  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I doubt the warranty will change, to be honest.

    Patti said they actually lose money selling Gold warranties, but it helps establish loyalty. That woul push the prices up too high at a time when most are asking for more content already.

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