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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+



  • I would like to have 11/01/04 Coupon Thanks rjd111
  • I went to my Subaru dealer the other day about very warm air coming out of the vents with the temp at 65, and the AC off. The service manager and I tried everything under the sun to change it with no luck. He measured the air temp. with his termometer, and the air outside was 78, and the air coming out of the vents was 101!. Of course when you put the AC on, It's ok. But many, many times I don't want the AC on. I have never had a car that does this. My wife's new Forrester Turbo works fine, I think they have some real bad design and engineering going on here. He called the district rep. who also drives a 05 leg. GT. ltd., he also called Subaru of N. E,. Finally we had to call SOA, and they are supposed to come up with a solution in Japan. They will let my Service Manager know when they have solved the problem. SOA was given this web site and another one by me, and I made copies of all the complaints about this problem,and my service manager sent them to SOA in Japan. That's where the problem is supposed to be solved. Let's hope the solution is a real solution and not blah, blah, blah. If this cannot be fixed, then I would consider the car a lemon, and will seek a solution under the lemon laws of my state.
  • It really works, try it. It worked for me the first time. I was skeptical too.
  • djo1djo1 Posts: 6

    I have the same issue with my 2005 legacy gt limited wagon. I tried the sequence suggest in a previous message (turn temp to 65 prior to turning off the a/c and sent vents to face) and it worked reasonably well for awhile then seemed to warm up over time, especially at slower speeds. Don't quite understand what's going on, but would like fresh air without the a/c cycling constantly. Let me know if a solution is found or if you need a letter written. My email is

  • kmartinkmartin Posts: 427
    Has anyone actually tried to use a coupon from someone else? Mine have my name and VIN printed right on them. I hope that doesn't make them unusable by another owner.

    Just a thought....

  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    The 3 coupons I gave away did not have my name on them. There was spaces for filling that out, as well as the VIN.

  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Has anyone actually tried to use a coupon from someone else? Mine have my name and VIN printed right on them. I hope that doesn't make them unusable by another owner.

    They're not trading the actual maintenance coupons, they are trading the coupon to get the maintenance coupons! That coupon is blank, anybody can send it in. Once you receive your coupon booklet, it is specific to a VIN/owner.

  • I can confirm this. I received the blank application form (coupon) from another member, filled in my info and sent it in. Yesterday I received in the mail the real Scheduled Maintaenance Plan Coupon Book, with my name and VIN printed. Folks - this works but you need the original promotional coupon-book "application" form - which many refer to as "the coupon".

    Makes sense?
  • kmartinkmartin Posts: 427
    Aha! A little semantics problem :-)

  • kmartinkmartin Posts: 427
    Here are the latest review links on the 2005 Legacy and Outback models. Many of these links have been found here on this forum (thanks to all of you!), and some I stumbled across from other resources. Please feel free to send me more links, as well as corrections. Enjoy!

  • Dave, the best thing that everyone can do is complain on this and every other forum. I write for a newspaper, and if this situation is not fixed in a reasonable amount of time, I will do a story about the whole situation. Let's see what happens. I don't think SOA will like the publicity that I will give them. On the other hand if they do the right thing, I will write a fantastic report on how they take care of their customers. Only time will tell. We will keep in touch on this forum, and I will keep everyone up to date on what is going on.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Thanks Karen. I think we should make you the official "Crew Librarian." :)

  • I'm seriously considering an Outback or Legacy as my next vehicle, thanks to reading these boards, seeing the vehicle in person, etc. I'm a newbie to Subarus, so pardon my lack of knowledge.

    Of the types of AWD available (Continuous, Active, or VTD), which is the best? Does one system have a distinct advantage over another, specifically in terms of traction (i.e. snow)

    I only want an auto transmission, so I realize Continuous is out. I was considering either the 2.5 Limited Outback or the 3.0 R sedan.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    They're all good units, but I prefer the VTD/VDC models, in that they are slightly biased towards RWD, with a 45/55 default front-to-rear power bias.

    All Subarus with 5-speed automatics (5EAT) have VTD, and Outback 3.0R VDC Limited wagons (not the sedan!) also include VDC (electronic stability control system) which offers an additional degree of safety.

  • We need your advice! We are in our mid 50's and own a '04 TL. We are looking for a second car with more cargo space and like the all wheel drive concept for snow.
    We are looking at the '05 Forester and '05 Outback. The Forester has EXCELLENT crash test results and perfect reviews everywhere, but no side curtain air bags. The Outback, which has not had full crash tests, does have side curtain air bags. Also, The Forester is probably due for a face lift in '06 and the Outback is new (re: technology AND looks; for what that is worth).
    We would have no problem getting the Forester if we believed it was as safe. Safety as you can see for these two old people is a priority.

    Your help is appreciated.
  • yulyul Posts: 1
    Am turning back my 2001 leased Forester with but 31,000 miles (4 years) I like the dealer but for 50 years know that I am always at a disadvantage in negotiating.
    My current lease is with Subaru. It had typed in 12,000 miles annual and I have proposed that my new lease should show 9,000 annual with a reduction in Cap cost. They tell me this "cannot be done". any ideas?
  • Well still loving my GT but I noticed when I was washing it yesterday that the paint is rough. I have the garnet red and it feels like the paint has bumps throughout the car. Now is this normal for the color or the car,if anyone can answer this question I would appreciate it.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Both the Forester and Outback are very safe vehicles. I would base your decision more on what features and/or space/comfort you need.

  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    They are all good in one way or another. I think the active AWD (on 4EAT models) is a step up from the continuous AWD (on 5MT models) in the sense that it can proactively transfer power fore/aft under acceleration and braking to maximize traction. Continuous AWD is fixed at 50% Front /50% Rear until something slips. However, active AWD maintains a nominal 90F/10R setting when you are cruising, so it behaves like FWD in terms of understeer and handling.

    VTD is similar to active AWD in that it can intelligently transfer power proactively, but it has a nominal split something like 45F/55R or 35F/65R (can't remember for sure) so it has a rear drive bias which is better for handling and gives a sportier feel. I like VTD -- you can feel the car gradually transition into oversteer, and you can also steer with the throttle. Of course, this is for some extreme driving. In everyday driving you will just notice that the VTD car turns better than active AWD car when you push it a little. Active AWD tends to plow the front wheels when you make a hard turn.

    Active AWD ought to give the best gas mileage under cruising (all else held equal) because it only sends enough power aft to offset driveline friction, thus minimizing AWD losses. Continuous AWD and VTD are always sending power aft so there are frictional losses to deal with.

    In the snow, they are all good, especially since Subaru made a rear limited slip diff standard on the continuous AWD now. They will all react to slippage and maximize traction. I'd be hard pressed to pick one over the other in snow -- they each have minor plusses and minuses.

    Does the 3.0R sedan have VDC?? That is one extra capability (stability control) on top of VTD.

  • lumbarlumbar Posts: 421
    There's a lot of variables at work in the Forester/Outback decision, but I'd agree that the "safety" issues between the two aren't significant. However, my feeling would be that, if safety is a primary consideration *and* the Outback suits your needs *and* any price difference (depending on model) isn't meaningful, why not get the model with the side curtain bags?

    And I hope you're being facetious about mid-50s being "old." :)
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