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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    I don't know if I would have sprung for it due to the additional cost when we built our house (we didn't even have it quoted), but I can tell you that after having the radiant floor heat in our basement I would love to have it throughout the whole house.

     

    That gypcrete it darn expensive however.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,371
    lol.. just noticed you live in Fairbanks.. Of course you are heating your garage!!

     

    It all makes sense now.. Really, it would probably pay for itself, just in decreased wear and tear on your car... And, having living space over the garage, makes it even more efficient..

     

    I live in kind of a modified cape cod, so even though my garage is under the roof line, only unfinished attic space is above it.. no living space...

     

    Stay warm!

    kyfdx

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The '97 had 165hp/162 lb-ft, IIRC.

     

    The new ones have 168/166, so only a slight improvement, but the torque curve is also better.

     

    I'd guess they'd perform about the same.

     

    Good news is the mileage is better, it was 21/27 back then and now it's 23/30.

     

    -juice
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,878
    A neighbor of mine went a step further. He had a driveway (2 cars wide x 1 car deep) redone with concrete cobblestone pavers. He had an electric heating grid installed so he flips a switch when the snow starts and warms it up. It didn't keep up with the 30" we got over the weekend but it got alot of it.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,371
    Yeah.. we hit the home shows in the summer.. Most are priced from $700K-$2MM (that is a lot in the midwest)..

     

    I've seen the heated driveways a few times.. When we custom built our house in '98, I asked the builder about putting in a heated floor under the tile in the master bath (about 70 sq ft).. he said forget it.. it isn't in your budget. ;-(

     

    I guess the driveway thing probably won't happen for us...lol.

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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,878
    To tell you the truth, I don't think it was that expensive - well for him at least.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,526
    Not excessively. To have a contractor do the work, I would have paid $2/sq. ft. for an inch-and-a-half deep slab. Considering that bagged concrete (up here, anyway) costs about $3/ bag at the cheapest and jumps to about $8 with fiber, and covers only 5 sq feet at the same depth, and considering that it would require larger joists to support it, the gypcrete is a great option. You can also install the tubing directly within modified (grooved) subflooring, but it doesn't heat as evenly unless you tile the floor above it and is really only a good option for remodel jobs. The gypcrete floors also make the flooring surface feel much more solid and elminates any squeaks you may otherwise encounter due to the added weight and the fact that it spreads your weight over a greater surface area.

     

    As it was, the contractor was unable to do the work on my timeline and so instead just sold me the 80# bagged gypcrete base at $40/bag, so I ended up paying $400 for 21 bags, another $40 for 4 yards of sand that I hauled in two loads with my pickup, and I poured just under 500 sq. ft. The contractor even let me borrow his tools. Other than it being one heck of an exhausting effort, it worked out quite nicely. :-D

     

    I think the '96 base model OB is quite peppy though I am not overly impressed with how it corners (I'm sure some of that is the tires), but I'm sure I would feel it rather bland were I to try out the 05 XT. I figure if I stay away from it, I will not know what I am missing. Besides, If I want extra pep and excellent cornering on pavement, I just drive my '69 for a day or two ;-D
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,526
    That would actually probably work pretty well in warmer climates because the ground tends to retain quite a bit of heat anyhow. I had considered running an additional "zone" through the sidewalks at my place and just turning it on when we had warm spells because that's when the ice gets slick, but it just seemed too extravagent and not worth the added cost; maybe on the next house or the one after.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    Wow. I was considering doing an overpour of gypcrete in my house when I did the basement but the quotes from around here were $6 - $7/ sq ft for an inch and a half thickness.
  • hathat Posts: 11
    Last summer/fall, there was discussion about adding the air filtration accessory to the '05.

     

    I just looked at subaru.com, and they don't appear to list this as either a standard feature or an accessory for the Outback 2.5i.

     

    Edmunds shows this item (code K5A, "Air Filtration System") as still being available, but the Kelley Blue Book site shows it as "N/A after 6/1/04."

     

    Can anyone clarify this situation?
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Posts: 775
    AFAIK, air filtration is a standard feature on 05's.
  • rwoodsrwoods Posts: 129
    I was disappointed to read in the January issue of Motor Trend that the Subaru Legacy GT took 142 feet to stop from 60 mph. That placed it in last place in their car of the year competition in the braking category. The Legacy GT also didn't fare well in many of the other categories such as grip, slalom, etc. All were either average or below.

     

    Bob
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 845
    I believe that the biggest issue are the tires. Subaru should have put better tires on their sporty GT.

     

    Krzys
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,371
    This is true... but, also... it is an AWD vehicle.. There will always be compromises, if you need the tires to do everything. "Better" tires might compromise it's ability in inclement weather..

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's why we call them Blotenzas.

     

    The brakes can lock up the tires, so they have more than enough stopping power. It's all down to the traction the tires have.

     

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    The cabin air filter is an option that's been eluding us all. The original one requires way too much labor to install (involves removing lots of interior trim) and rumor was that a redesigned version was supposed to come out. I've now heard that Subaru has dropped the redesign for now.

     

    None of this is confirmed officially, however. But if you try and order a cabin filter at your dealer, I think they'll tell you it's not available yet.

     

    Ken
  • scottlscottl Posts: 109
    I recently had a standard '05 Legacy sedan as a loaner while my '02 WRX was being repaired. I liked the car quite a bit, except for the absolute marshmallow suspension.

     

    A standard Legacy would be just fine; I don't want to pay the extra freight for an Outback or XT. Does anyone know if the wagon suspension is any stiffer?

     

    Does anyone really like the super soft ride? I had a Chevy Impala as a rental a few weeks earlier and it actually felt better than the Legacy! I guess if you do nothing but drive on interstate the Legacy works OK.
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 845
    all seasons than RE92 (RE950 for example) but Subaru decided to go with UTQG 160 rated RE92. It probably means that these tires should be ready for replacement in 20000 miles, maybe less.

     

    Krzys
  • That's USDM for you. The rumor out there (or is it a well acknowledged fact now), is that the JDM Legacy has better tires and suspension. Maybe that is why the JDM Legacy won best car of the year award in Japan but in the States it has been getting only lukewarm to good reviews.
  • twrxtwrx Posts: 647
    My 2.5 i is a Legacy wagon not an Outback. I traded an 03 WRX on it. I am shocked. Performance is more than adequate. This thing feels fast. And it is the auto! No it can't be as fast as my WRX was but this is not a boring car!
  • gxb159gxb159 Posts: 46
    One 3 separtare occasions my winshshield washer nozzles have frozen on my 05 OB. The reservoir was full and did not freeze, only the nozzles. I have been usng -20 degrees fluid. The only way to resolve the issue is to allow the nozzles to thaw. During the blizzard I was heading from Delaware to Vermont to ski and couldn't use the wipers the entire way.

     

    I asked my dealer and he said that they have never heard of this problem. Thus they have no fix.

     

    Has anyone else experienced this problem?

     

    On another note, the Subie was great in the blizzard. Had no problems and the Winterforce tires wouldn't slip.
  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    You probably still have water in your system. -20 is not that strong and if there was some water already in the tank when you filled it, the actual capacity would be much lower. It makes sense that it would freez in the nozzles or tubes first.

     

    I use -35C or -40C washer fluid. We've had a few -30C nights already and my car sleeps outside. I never had any problems with the windshield washer system. It is not a design issue, just a fluid issue.

     

    Sly
  • maduxmadux Posts: 3
    Could you elaborate why better tires will compromise an awd vehicle's inclement weather ability?
  • I have had the same experience with my 05 OBXT. At least two times in the last month (when it was around 5 degrees) the nozzles were frozen. I am still using the wiper fluid that came with the car, and I assume that a dealer in New England would put in decent wiper fluid.

    On both occasions, once the car has heated up the nozzles have begun to work. It's about time to replace the fluid and I'll put in some -40 and see if there is any change.

     

    In relation to the tires, I am quite dissapointed with the RE92's. They are managable at best in the snow and when I accelearte I can feel the tires start to loose grip. I really don't want to spend the money on snow tires with half of the winter already gone by but I may have to.

     

    -Nate
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,371
    Performance oriented tires don't have the same snow gripping ability as regular all-season or snow tires.. Some performance tires are for summer driving only...

     

    Of course, a "better" tire of the same type won't negatively affect inclement weather performance.. (IOW, Michelin vs. Kumho).

     

    But, if you step up from H-rated to V-rated, etc.. you usually get a tire that doesn't do as well handling snow, etc...

     

    Almost every tire has compromises... Those built for snow traction usually sacrifice dry road performance and vice versa..

     

    regards,

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  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    Several people on LegacyGT have reported that their dealers had put water or highly diluted winshield washer fluid in their cars and their system froze. Dealers are notoriously stupid and cheap with stuff like that, so don't assume they will do the right thing for you.

     

    Water freezes, and there is nothing in a car's design that will stop that short of heating the nozzles. Flush your fluid tank and replace it with high quality fluid, the problem will go away.

     

    No problems here with my OBXT, even in -30C (-22F).

     

    Sly
  • snowbirdsnowbird Posts: 120
    So, what would be a good compromise all season tire to replace the RE92's for the Subaru?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,371
    As I don't own one..

     

    Tell me what size it is, and what model Subaru you have... and I'll give you some options..

     

    I'm sure others here will tell you what they have tried, as well..

     

    regards,

    kyfdx

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    I'd be mighty surprised if it didn't make this list. I am surprised other Subies didn't make it.

     

    Bob
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