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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    Approaching 3000 miles--one month. Twice averaged (actual 25 mpg on extended trip highway miles) A few times in the low twenties. Yesterday on first leg of trip in cold weather (0 to 5 above all highway, averaged around 23. On return trip, in warmer weather trip computer said I was getting 29, so I may have been getting around 27. Haven't filled up yet & computer now down to 25 mpg because of 25 or so miles put on for short distance driving. I would hope when weather improves to average at least 26 or 27 or so straight highway & maybe more when fuel changes. Car seems to be running quieter now that it has a few miles on it. But boy, when you hit a little bump in the road the back wheels come right off the ground. I would hate to going around a corner quickly & hit a bump like that I can't imagine what would happen.
  • <<And to the response about none of the cars listed be available in the mid-20's: yes they are, or will be by the end of the model year. . . . I fully expect the AWD Ford/Mercury to be on fire sale by the end of the year. The Magnum, maybe. The Mazda, probably. BTW, I had a 1988 Mazda 323GTX, and it handled the road nicely.>>

     

    Umm, good luck trying to find a new A4 Quattro, Passat 4Motion, or V50 AWD for "mid-20s." Don't hold your breath.

     

    And MAZDASPEED6? It won't even be for sale until next spring and the base MSRP starts at $28 without options--i.e., compares with the Legacy GT, which is subject to more discounts than the newer Mazda. I doubt Mazda will have a "fire sale" for the MAZDASPEED6.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Krisshna: I thought you'd wait to see a Tribeca?

     

    MZ6 will hit about $32k when equipped like a Legacy GT Limited.

     

    You can get a base Leg GT sedan for under $25k nowadays.

     

    The Mazda does have HIDs, bigger rims, and a 6 speed manual, though.

     

    -juice
  • bigrobnhbigrobnh Posts: 114
    99.99% of fogging issues during the winter are due to people using the "recirculate" function on their climate control systems. Even with AC on, if you have recirculate on, you will get fogging.

     

    The best way to drive is w/recirculate off and AC on during the winter months.

     

    This past weekend the wife just upgraded her 2003 Legacy GT wagon to the 2005 version (limited). Switched from manual to auto trans. This car is like night and day when compared to the 2003 model. This is a very very nice vehicle.

     

    I have to admit that I, too, think the climate control system has a mind of its own. However, it is just the temperature, the overall airflow seems fine. The 2003 was always stuffy inside and I was always having to mess with the climate controls.

     

    Every other facet of the car is a major improvement over the 2003.

     

    Regards,

    BigRob.
  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    Just turned 3000 miles today in 2.5 LT. I am aware that snow can clog up the wheel wells & cause a lot of vibration in the vehicle. This happened to me a few weeks ago but when the buildup melted, the problem went away. However today on a 200+ trip on dry roads with absolutely no build up on wheel wells got extreme vibration for almost entire trip, particularly noticeable at speeds from 55 to 70 (more pronounced the faster I went) The vibration was so great you could see the passenger sheet shaking & I would not have even attempted to hold a relatively full cup of coffee. I pulled over a few times & could see nothing in the wheel well or anything obvious on the tires (like a huge wad or gum, or asphalt or something like that) Then, as quickly as it started it was gone. Up to 75 with no vibration at all. I stopped by the dealer & his first reaction was snow or something in the wheel well but I told him that was not the case. He did mention that the wheels on these vehicles, or the way they are sitting on the vehicle are very subject to this kind of problem. Anyone out there had this experience.

    That was not fun driving 200 miles plus today all highway & having that constant vibration.
  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    I agree! As much as I dislike the ACC system on my OBXT, I have NEVER had any problems with foggy windows and I live where the climate is very humid and cold through fall and winter. The windoes are always clear and the system does an amazing job of warming the cabin fast.

     

    But if I switch to recirc, then the windows will fog up within a couple of minutes, faster if there are more people in hte car.

     

    So I agree w. BigRob, there are no such issues with this car.

     

    Sly
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,485
    Sounds more like an intermittent problem with the lock-up torque converter in the automatic transmission.... Just my WAG..

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  • Tsy,

     

    Thanks for your response. Like I stated earlier, when I retested the GT in the streets, it felt better than on the C&D course. I am also thinking of slightly modifying some of the suspension and or tires when I buy the car, but I am "mechanically disabled" and I would need to have someone do it for me. Subaru should really have a GT STI or at least a GT sport. There is so much potential for that car.
  • Kens

     

    I agree with your post. The base GT (esp the hp) is more sport than I need for 98% of street driving, but it feels good knowing you have a little extra there if needed or if one likes legal competition.

     

    Yeah, I like legacygt.com. There is so much to learn and because the car is still new, so much to be developed.

     

    My current car is still running well, so I will prolly buy in the fall. I am thinking of buying the base GT because it has more headroom than the Limited. I am 6'4" and in the Limited my hair tends to rub on the ceiling. Do you know if it is possible to get a GT non-limited with leather seats?

     

    Thanks, Nelson
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    I don't really see a reason to ever use recirc in most of the country. Where I live we go from over 110 in the shade in the summer to 30 below zero in the winter, and only on the coldest days (highs below zero) do we need to use recirc to keep the car warm.
  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    Need to uses recirc to keep the car warm? I've seen -30C several times here this winter and I have never felt the need to use recirc...

     

    Sly
  • Your tires could be flat-spotting. Did the car sit for a couple of days without being driven before your trip? Flat-spotting is most pronounced in cold weather and with under-inflated tires. If the tires are already inflated properly, it could be remedied by increasing tire pressure by about 3-6 PSI over the spec.

     

    Hope this helps.
  • snowbirdsnowbird Posts: 120
    Jim: I have now replaced my Bridgestones with Falkens on my 05 Outback VDC. The new tires seem to have much better grip, on wet or dry roads. Noise and ride very good. Will happily provide more info if needed. Snowbird.
  • bigrobnhbigrobnh Posts: 114
    This recirculate thing is one of my pet peeves. You see people driving around here all the time (NH, MA) with ALL their windows fogged up and little holes rubbed clear on the windshield and side window. It is downright dangerous and, frankly, pisses me off.

     

    Where I work I've followed 4 different people into the parking lot like this and told them as they got out of the car that recirculate is causing their problems. All 4 cases, that was the problem.

     

    Regards,

    BigRob.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Agreed, it is a common mistake / problem.

     

    Craig
  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    I appreciate all of the responses on "foggy windows". The problem is not "recirculate" I am not using that function at all. If it is 0 out, in all other cars I have had I just need a setting of maybe 5 degrees more than the low (70 in the OB & would normally get enough heat without having the fan on at all) With this car, to get the floor area to warm up seems like you have to put the fan on at least the third setting & have the temperature setting higher. I had someone else in the car with me today & there is definitely something weird about being able to heat the floor area. At times you are comfortable than other times like there is no heat on at all.

     

    I am also the one that posted about the extreme vibration I had today for around 200 miles. It is not "flat spotting" (I don't think--the car is used every day & would that last several hours. Wasn't that cold this morning, maybe 20 or so)
  • Juice,

     

    Sorry, the link I posted had your name, but at the bottom it also had kens post.

     

    Oh, one more question/concern for all of ya. Tsy mentioned that the GT is not a bimmer with regards to handling. My question, why not try? BMW has proven that well handling sedans sell. I know I am nit-picking, but the Legacy can improve its handling and steering without being bone-jarring.

     

    Thanks.
  • rwoodsrwoods Posts: 129
    I paid $1,500 below sticker for my 05 OBXT Ltd. in August, 2004 so your price sounds great to me.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'd inspect the wheel bearings.

     

    BMWs with the Sport Package have gotten quite stiff, too stiff me thinks for most folks. I have two friends that have bent rims on theirs.

     

    I do think there is room for an STi or at least a Sport Pack on the Legacy GT, though. I think it could get just a little more starch but remain tolerable, maybe like the non-Sport BMWs.

     

    -juice
  • occking,

    I think you and I are driving twins separated at birth (manufacture).

    Fogging: I NEVER turn on the recirculate setting and have had my windows fog up on three occasions.

    Each time, the outside temperature was around 30 F and the roads were wet with snow. The full defog setting ultimately clears the inside of the windshield, but it takes a while and the engine must be at full operating temperature. I think I discovered the problem. The air intake for the heater is under the hood where moisture gets trapped and sucked into the heater. I plan to drill holes in the plastic cowl cover forward and above the wipers. This way, cooler, drier air can enter the heater from the base of the windshield (like most vehicles). There should be cowl drains to allow any accumulated water to drain.

     

    Vibrations: This problem is very intermittent for me. I had my Subaru dealer balance the tires. That helped some, but occasionally the vibration comes back. The vibration occurs just as often in clear weather with no snow or rain on the car or the pavement. I think it is a drive train problem rather than wheels. It's as if the U-joints or CV joints occasionally become bound at an odd angles where the driveshaft or axles become temporarily unbalanced. I have only 3000 miles on my Legacy 2.5i sedan and hope the problem clears up as the joints wear in. Next time this happens, try stopping the car, backup a bit under power, and resume forward movement. If the vibration clears than it's a drivetrain rather than a wheel issue.

     

    Jim
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,645
    I have to agree with dudleyr here. On very cold days (like today at -48F), non-recirc settings tend to allow the cab to reach, oh, maybe 40+F, which is great compared to the 90+ degree differential with ambient, but still is not excessively comfortable on the fingers and toes. The only way to incrase the temp in the cab is to choose recirc. However, I cannot drive with recirc because the windows almost instantly fog up once the defroster is turned off (my car cannot recirc WITH the defroster on). So, the compromise is to recirc while the car is at rest and to defog while it is in motion. Once the seats, dash, steering wheel, etc. start to warm up, the cab temp will slowly rise even without recirc. Even with running the defroster all the time, the rear windows and cargo windows are always fogged. Not too big of a deal for me because I learned to drive with a cargo van that didn't even have rear windows, but it still substantially increases the blind spots.

     

    I do not think it is a problem with the make of the car, but more due to the extreme environment. I am just glad that we have 0 humidity this time of year because humidity and cold weather together are not fun.

     

    Oh, and I might be dreaming because I don't use it very often, but recirc with A/C in the summer seems to allow the cab to get much colder than drawing hot outside air.

     

    Enjoy the drive,

     

    -Wes-
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    Let me know if your suggested solution for eliminating the "fogging" problem works for you. I am bringing my car into dealer tomorrow for it's first oil change & see what they want to do. Here is what may have happened... Car had been fine for a few weeks. Was "fooling around" in my front yard last night with a few feet of snow in the center of my circular driveway. When I plow through it a few times it brings the piles way down. Not hard packed snow, just heavy from pushing it off the driveway area into the center. I almost got stuck & had to rock the car back & forth three or four times before I got out. So, some "wheel spin" in both directions. Thought nothing of it until I hopped in the car this morning to take a quick trip up to Cocord, NH. and had that awful vibration all the way up and almost all the way back & it disappeared right before I got home. But, I had made several stops during the morning & used reverse several times so I don't know if that had anything to do with correcting the problem. Sure hope if is not a very common occurence. I do a lot of highway driving as you can see 3200 miles already in less than 5 weeks and another long trip this Sunday up to Quebec. Hope the dealer can help out on this tomorrow.
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    If you have a moonroof, you can open that bit to help ventilate the cabin and reduce/remove the fogging. Of course, make sure your rooftop is cleared of snow! ;-)

     

    If you don't want to open the moonroof, having a window open a small bit does help as well, I think I've read others having one window up front open, and the opposite side open in the rear.

     

    -Brian
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    Hey snowbird

     

    Which Falkens did you get? I'm always curious about peoples impressions about tires. I keep experimenting and have heard some good things about Falkens, but they tend to be noisy (at least the high performance ones)

     

    tom
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    I'm "time disabled" so I would have someone do it for me too! ;-) But there are plenty of people that will do this stuff (and take your money!)

     

    I think there's room for an STi version of the legacy, but I think it would be a much lower volume car than the GT. In this country, people want to be comfortable, so they settle for the softer ride. Most bimmers ride pretty well, but as Juice said, you need to get the sport suspension packages to get something better handling. Most people will actually pass on this.

     

    Even the new Mazdaspeed 6 wil be a very limited production model. (I spoke with the dealer today) So it seems while there are some people like us who want it all, there certainly aren't a lot! ;-)

     

    I bought this car because I always said when Subaru turbocharges the GT I'll buy one. So when they did, I literally put my money where my mouth was, and bought one of the first ones. I have never regretted it (and I go through a lot of cars!). Thought about a 5 series, but no AWD and definitely don't like the new look. Audis are nice but I need a reliable car. Volvos are nice, but their AWD system isn't what I wanted. The new Acura is nice, but kinda slow.

     

    No, there actually isn't anything remotely in this price range that does what this car does. And with the infusion of a few $K more, there's not much that will keep up with it either!

     

    tom
  • Sorry, you can't get Leather on the GT or the Outback for that matter, unless it is a LTD. There is another option if you really want Leather without the moonroof, you could buy just the standard GT with the Cloth and have your dealer order factory Leather seat covers and have them installed. This isn't exactly cheap but it is able to be done because the Leather seat covers are an exact fit with the cloth seats.
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    You can have leather put on aftermarket for about $1000. The aftermarket leather is probably a little nicer too.

     

    I actually wanted a non-Ltd GT because it's lighter (about 200lbs) than the Ltd, but they didn't have any at the time. Oh well. ;-)

     

    tom
  • meshmesh Posts: 17
    Lets not forget to kick the snow off our boots before getting in the car. When I was living in Wyoming, I was always surprised to see the windows fogged up on the inside of the car whenever the sun came out and the air outside was cold. I figured out that it was all the snow that I was tracking into the car everytime I got in. If this moisture is not physically removed by shaking out the mats every now and then, then the only thing that will get rid off it will be a few warm sunny days with the vents open. Obviously, frequent, short trips will exascerbate this problem.
  • snowbirdsnowbird Posts: 120
    Hi, Tom:

     

    I got Falken ZE-512 B. Size 225/55ZR-17. So far, they are much quieter than the OE tires and are almost at par with the more expensive Michelin MXV4 Plus that I have on my other car. In a way, the Falkens and the Subarus are alike. They are both very good, but underrated. Jason (aka. Snowbird)
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,645
    Ugh. Tell me about it. I finally put rubber mats in my Subie this fall because the ice builds up so much over the course of the winter that it becomes difficult to hold a steady foot on the pedals due to the slick surface. They work okay, but are a horrible fit for the car. I certainly wasted a few dollars getting the "Subaru" mats.

     

    Last weekend when I had the car in a friend's shop to replace the water pump and timing belt, I must have had hundreds of pounds of ice melt off the car. There was at least 30 gallons of water on the floor. I felt bad about creating the mess, but the car rides a few inches higher now and no more ice rubbing against the rear tires!
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
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