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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    From my visit to the Chicago show last week:

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    The full size photos can be seen here, along with a few other Subie pics: http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287729491

    (You need to be a member of imagestation to view the album, it's free to sign up)

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That Alfa SUV would be the most stylish on the market if they produced it. I love it.

    Here is another moonroof pic:

    http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid103/p5cefb644cffbbb1d31e- 81bcbac4e17d9/f9a00bf5.jpg

    My daughter is in the back seat and pokes out through the opening easily. That's a stranger in the front seat, but you see the coverage the moonroof has.

    The new Legacy has to be seen in 3D, really. Check out this pics to see what I mean:

    http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid98/p4a63209fad65bf705d96- 8a4994ed1df6/fa03fdef.jpg

    Look at how pulled back the headlights are, the front is sort of V-shaped. You don't see that in a full frontal pic, those look 2 dimensional.

    -juice
  • the problem with the corporate grill design of the more recent italian-designed subaru concept cars is that while the alfas traditionally use a "superman crest" type opening, the new subarus must differentiate themselves with an inverted, "pyramid" style opening. design-wise, this bottom heavy geometric shape does not convey as light and balanced an appearance as the other shape.

    the easiest way to picture this difference is to imagine joe weider or charles atlas "before and after" photos. the first man is usually pear-shaped, with his weight hanging around his middle section (greater mass towards the bottom), while the second photo will invariably show a man with a strong "V" shape with broad straight shoulders tapering down to a slim waist. this design shape has universal appeal, unlike the dunce cap/pyramid/jabba the hut/hershey kiss/soft coil of something shape. you be the judge.

    btw, i absolutely love the new legacy and outback styling. that light metallic blue outback looks stunning. i think mercedes is going to have a hard time justifyng the price of a C-class wagon with that piece of machinery beside it. and don't forget the awesome mackintosh stereo deck with the retro 70s tuner dials. subaru has hit a home run with these babies, that's for sure. can't wait!!!
  • otis123otis123 Posts: 426
    Here's a good shot of the 2005 nav, radios - reg & Mac, and sunroof opened...(Japan version)

    http://www.carworld.jp/car/subaru/legacy/html/index6.html

    Ralph
  • otis123otis123 Posts: 426
    SOA would be smart if they put the rear wiper on the 2005 Outback sedan like the Japanese Legacy sedan. Looks very cool and all-weather. Enhances the image...

    Ralph
  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,924
    The rear wiper on the sedan is the law in Japan, and i don't why our legislators think a wagon needs a wiper and a sedan does not, granted a wagon gets dirtier quicker, but a sedan driver needs as much rear vision as a wagon, so I would be in favour for rear wipers on sedans.

      Cheers Pat.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    I wish USDM sedans had a rear wiper. The only sedan with a rear wiper sold here is the Mitsu EVO.

    Bob
  • Neither http://www.need-desire.com/main.html nor the 3rd Gen. OB press release http://www.media.subaru.com/ mention the availability of a rear limited slip differential on the the two NA H4 OBWs. It is available on the turbo and H6 models. Is SOA dropping this feature or is this just an omission on these preliminary spec.s?
  • I'd just like to say that I am not bowled over by the styling of the B9SC or the B11S. In fact I do not like them much and really thought that the 3 piece grille looked ugly. The message I wanted to convey in my previous post was that when I saw some of the Alfa designs they made a 3 piece grill look pretty good, especially on their prototype SUV. Now having the designer from Alfa as the head designer there is the potential in that something interesting for Subaru may be on the way - radical and unique.

    As for the significance of the upside down pyramid I dont know, I think they were trying to create something different. I also don't think they have decided on a shape for sure. Here are three concept Subarus the B9SC, the R2 and the R1 each has a slightly different shape for the center grille. Of the three I think that the R1 is the most promising. The center grille is flattened on the top and the bottom and the overall shape of the grille is like some wings, like the Aston Martin insignia.

    B9SC: http://www.subdriven.com/artman/uploads/subarub9scfront3.jpg
    R2: http://www.subaru.co.jp/r2/special/gallery_data/subarur2_e3_s.jpg
    R1: http://www.autoweek.nl/images/Articles/1931/subaru-r1e-gr.jpg
    Aston Insignia: http://www.formel1.ch/Automarken%20Logos/Aston%20Martin%20Logo.gi- - - - f

    - spinaker
  • i agree with your assessment. the R1 is the most handsome and sporting of the three grill designs. the nose on the B9SC looks quite cartoonish like the protruding round black nose of some kind of cute weasel who's got a bad cold, while the R2 is better, but still has that inverted triangular shape which gives its face a flared piggy nostril look which i find rather unappealing.

    the R1 does indeed have the prettier look of spread wings, which gives it a lighter more clever appearance, although i myself would reposition the badge to the front edge of the hood instead, thus cleaning up the central snout. seeing someone with a piece of something in their nose gives one a rather unhealthy feeling. better to clean up that central opening. nissan, please take note of this with your recent redesign of the proboscis on the new maxima, quest and sentra.

    spinaker, do you have any pictures of that white sports coupe that came out last year with a similar face design as the aforementioned subarus? is that the B11S? i'd like to see it and compare. i was quite impressed by it at the time.
  • Subdriven version of G3 OB press release has Limited-Slip RD listed under 2.5i spec.s.
  • 6thbeatle, I think you are refering to the B11S. You will find some information here:

    http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/scoobie/Wrx%20-%20To%20View%20t- - - he%20pages/subaru_b11s.htm

    BTW this car has 400hp and 405 Lbs of torque? Must be like a rocket, not bad!! If this isn't what you were expecting, let me know I will try and find you what you seek...

    - spinaker
  • ooooh, yeah, that's it! what a neat car! it looks like it would be a natural rival to cars like the mazda rx-8 or audi TT quattro or porsche carrera4. i hope even hyundai goes ahead and builds the next tiburon based on its recent show car and gives it a turbocharger and full time awd like they've been hinting. this would make for a great comparison test between the 5 cars, although the rx-8 would be at a distinct disadvantage with only rwd i would suppose.

    in any case, i think this is subaru's nicest looking concept ever. definitely better than the justy! ha ha! thanks for the sweet pix, spin! :P
  • This is what i could find on the B11S, I love the design. Just make the interior a little more realistic.
    These are sites on the design of the B11S.
    http://www.drive.subaru.com/Win04_DesignRevolution.htm
    http://www.drive.subaru.com/Sum03_B11S.htm

    This site has pics from subdriven. Love the pop up roof pic.
    http://www.subdriven.com/gallerytk/gallery2.php?mode=album&al- bum=Automobiles/Concepts/B11S

    Luch
  • In the event the '05 Legacy/Outback does not have a Nav option, can anyone recommend a 4 wheel drive sedan with a Nav that is moderately priced -under 30k? Once you have had a Nav,it is hard to do without one!
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Yeah. Buy the Subie. Then have the NAV installed aftermarket. No big deal.
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Posts: 464
    The only affordable awd sedan with a nav option that comes to mind is the Infiniti G35x...but it'll run around $35k for one with navigation and AWD. Under $30k is going to be a hard find...

    Brian
  • the 05 Legacy is an option for my next car this year however I have sat in an 04 legacy and found that it did not have enough headroom. I am 6 foot 3 and I am curious if anyone has sat in the car yet and if so is there a considerable amount more headroom in the 05 compared to 04 (04 did not have power seats and had a sunroof).

    I also would like a nav system but personally I have decided against getting a nav system put in the car, and maybe get a hand held, my favorite is the Magellan 700, it has all the features as the factory nav systems (including the touch screen) and you can take it in any car. and assuming the factory nav is $2K the Megellan 700 averages about $500 to $700 less then any nav system that is put in the car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually the Mazda3 will offer a Nav option, it's not expensive at all.

    My guess is they set it up for the Volvo S40, which shares the platform, so went ahead and offered it for the Mazda, too.

    Subaru should sell this as a stand-alone option, perhaps as part of the SPT catalog.

    -juice
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,428
    Re headroon. Did you sit in a vehicle with a sunroof. The non sunroof models have considerably more head room. 1.7 inch difference for the current models.
  • Yes I did sit in a model with a sunroof and I would like to get one with a sunroof if possible (and the wife also wants a sunroof) I also sat in one without power seats, so I did not have the up and down movement that power seats would give me..? I have heard that the new 05 legacy has more "interior room" but have not heard specifically more head room and now that car shows are happening I was curious if anyone had sat in one and had taken notice?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That photo is me in a sedan *with* a moonroof.

    However, the sedan's moonroof is smaller than the wagon's. So the sedan's moonroof did not affect rear headroom, you can see the space for it is well in front of the rear passenger's head.

    On the wagon, it might cut out some head room, but keep in mind there was more head room to begin with.

    I'm 6' and did not feel crowded in any of the ones I sat in. Unless you will routinely carry 6'4" passengers I think you'll be fine.

    -juice

    -juice
  • I haven't made an account to look at your photo ateixeira however I will routinely be carrying me in the car and I am 6'3".. But a lot of the time rear headroom is down from front headroom so that could be good.

    I will be going to the Cinncy auto show so Hopefully they will have the sedan available for me to sit in..??
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hope so, they've been putting two Legacys in smaller auto shows lately.

    -juice
  • jwatsjwats Posts: 72
    any idea when these will be available?
    thanks
    John
  • kenokakenoka Posts: 218
    I've been hearing early to mid March.
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    Black
    a really nice pearl white
    a lovely very light green
    blue pearl (mellow - a bit richer than sky)
    silver
    red

    Gotta see 'em! Coming soon!

    Patti
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Oh, my!

    Oh, my, indeed.

    Interior colours?

    --he asked impatiently...
  • i have been waiting for the subaru legacy GT wagon to come out, as well as the mazda 6 wagon, and the dodge magnum (i was also waiting for the dodge kahuna, but it'll probably never happen--too bad).

    i like big V8 powered cars, so the magnum is great, but it's got a kind of cheap-looking interior which REALLY puts me off. and fuel economy is only so-so. also, since it rains a lot where i live and i snowboard, RWD is not really an option, so i'd have to factor in the additional cost of AWD. a 3.5L V6 AWD magnum would be a happy choice.

    the subaru legacy turbo wagon is nice inside with chrome touches, good leather, and the best available car stereo you can buy today (Mackintosh), but it's too pricey. it's very sleek looking though, and it would blow the other two wagons away on the road. hmmph!

    the mazda 6 wagon, as my last choice, is not the best in any category. as the previous owner of a P5, i am familiar with their barely adequate power, but the hp and torque ratings for the 6 are alright. nothing to get excited about compared to the other two wagons, but adequate.

    the mazda 6 interior is also okay, but not as deluxe as the subaru and not as roomy as the magnum. but price-wise, the mazda 6 comes in much less than the other two, and that, plus mazda's good handling characteristics, is making me lean towards getting a mazda 6 wagon.
  • Ok, I've seen all these pics...very nice car, but where would one put his nice aftermarket stereo with built-in MP3 capability? I notice a lot of car manufacturers are tilting toward dash designs with integrated stereos that can't easily be swapped out for an aftermarket (Honda Accord, Mazda 6, etc), but they're not offering MP3 capability in the built in stereos.
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