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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • Someone here suggested that synthetic oil is worth around two extra miles per gallon. I haven't experienced this and I've used it on four cars in the last six years. Does anyone else find they get better gas mileage with syn?

    Bob
    Long Island
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=22176

    Interesting that it had "optional" mud-and-snow tires! The Spec B comes standard with "summer" performance tires.

    Bob
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    Nope. I noticed no difference on my 98 OB. I haven't decided if I'll make the switch on my 06 yet.
  • Is there anyone out there with a set of stock Legacy GT or Limited wheels that they are willing to part with? I would like to get a set of 17" wheels to put on my 01 LL Bean to replace the 16" wheels that come on it.

    -r
  • There are some offered on legacygt.com, not sure if they're still available.

    The best 17" wheel deal going are 17x7, 48mm offset BBS RK's. They are being sold by SAAB dealers at low prices because once GM sold their shares in Subaru, the 9-2 is going away and they are excess. I paid $500 for four at Charles River (Watertown, MA) SAAB on eBay. According to other buyers they will sell them for $500 for 4 including BBS center hubs and shipping.

    BBS RK's usually sell for over $250 each. They weigh exactly 18 lbs, substantially lighter than the stock alloy rim.
  • dunsduns Posts: 2
    With about 5K miles, my 2006 Legacy 2.5 SE has developed some buzzes and rattles when going over moderate to severe road imperfections. Specifically from behind the center of the dashboard, and in the front passenger door, around the door pull. My guess is the stiff suspension combined with the stiff sidewall 17" wheel/tire combo is loosening things up a bit. This is my first Subaru after 3 Hondas, and my 97 Accord with 170K felt tighter than the Sub. Anybody else experiencing this? I have an appointment with my dealer, but would appreciate any insights anyone may. have.
  • subdensubden Posts: 40
    Sorry if this has been discussed before, but my search didn't turn up anything...anybody have any experience on brake wear for OBXT? I've got 18k on mine and just wondering if the brakes are 20K wonders like on some cars or if people are getting better wear?
  • mikez51mikez51 Posts: 3
    New to the site and this is my first Subaru. Infact it's my first NON AMERICAN car. I've always owned American made everything in our 3 plus car family was GM. Until 04 when I purchased a 04 Durango Limited "yes it's a Hemi" as the Trailblazer had more time at the dealer then on the road. The Durango was great for trips and driving the 19 round trip miles to work. Things change, great new job, but its a 70 mile haul round trip. and my underground parking spot is the size of a postage stamp. The Durango just cleared to water pipes and took two spaces. Security had to park it and bring it up at night. Needless to say the gas bill was over $300.00 last month. So whats a guy to do? Dodge M
    still to large, even the six gets poor mileage. Saab 9-3 wagon only 1 dealer with in 90 miles at it's sticker plus, BMW 3 wagon Yes Please but $45,000.00. Volvo noway. So I drove the Outback it's small by Durango or even Trailblazer standards but it gets over 25 MPG. all wheel drive and it fits in the postage stamp assigned space. It's a little large then the BMW and Saab, with a very nice interior given its a sub $30,000.00 unit. The dealer easy to work with and the deal was very good, I like deep discounts. My oldest daughter took the Durango, or I got taken for it. The first week was a real adjustement but so far so good. Now I undersand why imports even if it's made in the U.S.A. have GM and Ford on the ropes. If only the Outback was 8" higher.
  • garandmangarandman Posts: 524
    New to the site and this is my first Subaru. Infact it's my first NON AMERICAN car. I've always owned American made everything in our 3 plus car family was GM. Until 04 when I purchased a 04 Durango Limited
    Why is the Indiana-built Subaru a non-American car, but the German owned Dodge is an "American" car?

    The OBW is tall, long, and relatively narrow compared to most competitors.
  • mikez51mikez51 Posts: 3
    Fuji Heavy Industries name is allover my owners manual, and I understand it's build in Indiana. You are correct Chrysler is part of MB. I stand corrected. Rearding the OB hovever I wish it had "Automatic" door locks, and a power passanger seat. Otherwise it's a great ride.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    Rearding the OB hovever I wish it had "Automatic" door locks, and a power passanger seat.

    I guess that Subaru decided to not package the latter into the 2.5 Limited. Though, as you probably know, a power passenger seat is standard on the more expensive XT, 3.0R LL Bean, and 3.0R VDC models.

    Congratulations on your new vehicle.
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Well, just for a few blocks. ;-)

    A good buddy of mine had been shopping around for a new car and he finally decided to pull the trigger on a Legacy GT Spec B this weekend.

    The Spec B he purchased had been sitting on the dealer's lot for about 3 months. They wanted to move it so they sold it to him at invoice without even blinking an eye. Personally, I think he could have gotten even more, but my friend was happy with the price.

    Anyway, after picking it up, he stopped by my house and let me drive it a few blocks.

    My impressions:
    - The overall vehicle looks much nicer in person. From the early photos, I thought the 18" wheels didn't look right, but up close, they look great.
    - The dark silver is really a nice color. It was raining yersterday and the combination of the beading rainwater, chromed headlights (vs. 05 models), chrome accent on side skirts and wheels really flowed together well.
    - The interior red is not as garish as I had thought. It's a fairly warm and subdued tone that works quite well with the rest of the vehicle.
    - The ride, in my very limited test drive, was not very harsh at all. If I wasn't surrounded by the red leather and with a Navi system glowing on the center console, I would think it was a regular LGT sedan.

    One interesting note regarding power delivery that's not specifically related to the Spec B -- I didn't really get as much of a "wow" driving the 5MT this time. When I was shopping for my LGT wagon two years ago, I felt a marked difference in the power delivery when driving a 5MT vs. 5EAT version.

    However, this time around, I drove a regular LGT sedan (no pre-purchase Spec B test drives) and my friend's new Spec B. While I did notice a power delivery difference, it just wasn't as marked as it was before. While there certainly is a new vs. broken-in engine difference, I wonder if I was seeing the difference of a new vs. learned 5EAT.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    Ken, I think the wow-less feeling you got is simply due to the fact that you're now used to the L-GT's power, whereas before you were coming off your older Forester.

    I'm finding that with my new WRX, I'm not as impressed with the power as I once was—until I go drive my wife's Forester or son's OB-S.

    Bob
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    So True, Bob. I'm used to having all of that power now, so fast cars aren't as fast anymore. But slow cars are REALLY slow! :D

    I don't know if I can go back to driving a slower car anymore- it might even be dangerous! ;)

    I remember when getting to 60mph in under 9 seconds seemed pretty fast to me (back when all cars were terribly underpowered- uh, the last gas crunch) but now anything that doesn't do 60 in under 6 sec is too slow. I guess the adage that power corrupts is true. :)

    tom
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    Ain't that the truth!

    I'm old enough to remember car magazines raving about the old BMW 2002 doing 0-60 in 10.5 seconds, and any car running sub-12 second 0-60 as being "quick."

    Now out-and-out luxury sedans (RR, Lexus LS460) run sub-6 second 0-60 times!

    Bob
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Could be, but I was focusing on the relative back-to-back impressions of driving 5MT and 5EAT GTs. I agree that I have gotten spoiled by the power of my LGT wagon, but it still puts an ear-to-ear grin on a daily basis. :-)

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    To me, back in the day (80s high school years), 9 seconds was quick, under 8 and that was super.

    Now it's more like under 7 to be quick, under 5 to impress anyone, and that's among affordable cars!

    -juice
  • nickelnickel Posts: 147
    Before writing this I read the recent R&T comparo, even the australian Drive.com.au comparo, both with the videos. Then I went to my C&D library, and checked every word about a Legacy GT and Spec B, and that Mazdaspeed. My conclusion is that those magazines were testing a different car than Edmunds Inside Line. Please, write your point of view, because I'm disturbed after reading it. Maybe it's time for Edmunds to buy their cars (a la Consumer Reports) so Mazda never again can pump a car at them. See all this in http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=109487
  • garandmangarandman Posts: 524
    The biggest difference between the MazdaSpeed and the Subaru is that every Subaru is AWD and all the suspension components are well proven - and the dealers know how to work on them.

    The MazdaSpeed is an impressive hot-rodding job, but is a one-off.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Here was my summary:

    ateixeira, "MAZDASPEED Mazda6" #661, 6 Dec 2005 1:39 pm

    Though keep in mind Mazda is having issues with heat soak on the engines, owners are losing power when this happens.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    I just drove a Mazdaspeed 6 a few weeks ago with a female friend who is interested in buying a car like that. I haven't driven a spec.B but I've driven a Legacy GT a number of times.

    Claimed power and torque be damned, the MS6 does not feel as potent below 4000 rpm as the Legacy GT.

    However, the first rant that inspired this line of discussion is WAAAAY off the mark. The cars are close, and different people will have different preferences. In the linked article, you can see that at least one Edmunds tester preferred the spec.B-- what in the world prompted a jump to the notion of Mazda supplying a hand-tuned superior car? :confuse:

    Sorry, I don't buy that.
    ~Colin
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    ...there have been times when Subaru was suspected of placing ringers for tests too. ;-)

    But yes, these cars are close. That would explain why you see some magazines rating one over the other.

    However, if I were in the market, I'd be a little wary of the MS6 since it looks like Mazda's going through some teething pains with repsect to engine tuning right now.

    Ken
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    After what Mazda did with the RX-8 and power claims, I'm not sure I entirely trust that the MS6 has more power than the GT.

    It's interesting that the Edmunds article didn't consider the Spec B much more an improvement over the GT. For a few $K you could build up a GT that handles better than the MS6.

    I think Subaru needs a Legacy STi, which might be more along parallel lines to the MS6 as a high performance version of the Legacy. I still think of the GT and Spec B more as 'Touring' cars. They're certainly not a match for an M3. But an STi version might be. . . :D

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think the suspension and especially the summer tires do mean it would handle significantly better than the regular Legacy GT, at least on dry pavement.

    The Speed6 has summer tires also, so those two are just a lot more comparable.

    The '07 spec.B will be more distinguished - 6 speed trans for instance. I'd like to see stiffer spring rates too.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    Spec B is the only manual Subie w/NAVI.

    Not sure I like the idea of summer tires. I have no complaints whatsoever with my 215/45x17 RE92 all-season tires on my WRX. I know there are many who hate those tires, but in the size I have, they are fine. Not great in the snow—but at least they're legal driving in the snow; not so with summer tires.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The label "RE92" is used on many different tires, even with a different tread.

    My wife's car has them, and I'm almost certain the tread and even the construction is substantially different than the tires on your car.

    Hers are 205/60R15!

    -juice
  • garandmangarandman Posts: 524
    Spec B's have Bridgestone RE050's.
    Legacy GT's have RE92's.
    Outbacks have RE92A's.
    And who knows what else.

    http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tireselector/index_bs.asp?pagesource=searchbyvehi- cle
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    Actually, the GT's have the RE-92a's. They are great tires if you enjoy sliding around. I did a couple unintentional 4 wheel drifts on some wet onramps.

    If you would rather have tires that actually grip the ground when it gets wet, try something else. :D

    tom
  • rhodyjoerhodyjoe Posts: 4
    Can anyone tell me where to find the wiring harness for trailer lights? I want to install a trailer hitch on my '05 OBXT. There should be a trailer light wiring harness somewhere in the rear of the cargo area near the drivers side turn/brake lights, but I can't seem to locate it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    The wiring harness comes with the hitch as a package, it's not in the car already.
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