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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • snowbirdsnowbird Posts: 120
    According to Mr. Healey, " the turbo four vibrates remarkably at idle, cackles and grumbles at low speed ... and stutters and jerks during moderate acceleration." Also, "The ride is bouncy..." Does this sound like a good review to you?! BTW, I said I was "a little spooked" by his review, but I am not deterred. I am going ahead with my purchase anyway.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    Is the 2005 Legacy GT motor essentially the one that appears in the 2004 Forester XT or are there differences?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    GT is rated at 250 HP.

    Bob
  • trueawdtrueawd Posts: 64
    Here's what the line-up will be in the Outbacks. And yes again I got this info from a reliable dealer who has been right with me on new product 95% of the time. If you look back at my postings from the Legacy launch, they were correct.

    Base Outback - 4 Cyl, 4sp AT or 5sp man, cold weather package, etc... (similar to now except for the new and improved features in 05' model)
    Outback Limited - 4 Cyl, 4sp AT or 5sp man, added Sunroof and leather etc...also like now except new stuff in 05..like dual climate control etc..just like all the new 05 Legacy stuff.
    Outback LL bean - 6cyl 250hp/219lbs tqe, new 5sp AT, audio controls on steering wheel, leather, roof, electro lum dash, power pass seat, etc...again all the things like in 05 Leg top of the line models.
    OUTBACK XT (YES I SAID XT TURBO - juice is right) - 250/250 (like Leg GT) Loaded like Bean or Legacy GT Lim models. Will be avail in 5sp AT or Manual.
    Ouback Sedan 6 cyl - NON VDC but loaded vehicle.
    Outback VDC wagon - Loaded, add VDC and this year and sweet stereo and I think instead of Mcintosh there is suppoed to be an MP3 player.
    * The only thing they were not sure of is if there will be a 4cyl Outback sedan or a base 6 Cyl wagon (cloth) like there is now). They said they would call me as soon as they knew.

    I guess we'll all see in Chi-Town on the 5th of Feb..pretty soon!!
  • zmanzman Posts: 200
    "OUTBACK XT (YES I SAID XT TURBO - juice is right) - 250/250 (like Leg GT) Loaded like Bean or Legacy GT Lim models. Will be avail in 5sp AT or Manual"

    Yeah baby!

    Sign me up.

    Zman
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    So what are the arguments for and against these 4 verhicles? All would be similar in capability and potentially appeal to the same buyer (they all appeal to me! :-) )

    I know the WRX has the 2 liter while the others would be 2.5. Other than that, is there enough to differentiate them?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Some guy from nabisco last summer went to a Subie focus group in which there were pics and brief specs of a turbo Outback GT (I have them on my computer someplace, as I downloaded that info). However, it was called a GT, not XT. Maybe the name has changed in the elapsed time?

    Bob
  • trueawdtrueawd Posts: 64
    I say yes because all 4 have different attributes:

    WRX Wagon - smaller and your right a 2.0. Less tourqe and less space. Not as many lux items.

    Legacy GT - a sports wagon with luxury (all about performance)

    Forester XT - small SUV with utility (ground clearance, etc..)and performance

    Outback XT - bigger then Forester and more lux items. Power seats, dual climate control, side curtain airbags (in addition to side), etc.. Alternative to SUV but still with ground clearnce 8.5 inches or so and all the features. Also reason for turbo over 6 or at least the consumer haveing a choice is have a chance to have a model to go up against Audi All Road, Volvo wagons, BMW, etc...
    * The name must have changed since the focus groups. Probably to diff the 2 more (Leg and OB)??
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    If your figures are correct, the 2.5 turbo will have a huge edge in torque, and may well be the better tow vehicle because of that. That's assuming the turbo will have a good flat powerband, and excellent low-rpm torque, with little or no turbo lag.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    that they're not offering the VDC on more models. According to your report, it's still being limited to just one trim level.

    Bob
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    Thanks. All sound nice. A good way to leveage off sucess of WRX with body styles and equipment levels that appeal to all.

    Monotone helps the Outback a lot. I have a wintergreen Bean H6 and it has been great. But cladding is sort of silly looking for my tastes, if functional. I much prefer new 1 color scheme on OB and of course 1 color legacy.

    OB LL Bean is a little cramped on the front passenger side for taller passengers too. Other than that, great car that will last many years.
  • trueawdtrueawd Posts: 64
    The turbo will have the same specs as the Legacy so 250hp at 6000rpm and 250tqe at 3600rpm, which should be awesome.. can't wait!! I think there will be very little lag, based on driving the Forester XT auto and 5 speed, there was very little, obviously more on the auto, but still not much.

    As far as the 6, your right...turbo will def have a tqe advantage being faster..not really sure about the towing, you would think it should be.

    The reason for both is you know there's still tons of people out there who want a 6 in that level of car regardless. Many just think 4 vs 6 and maybe the turbo will have more problems. They don't get that the 4turbo will be way more powerful and that turbos have come a long way (especially for Subie). The 6 will probably be a little smoother and quieter, and only auto.

    As far as the VDC thing. I'm pretty sure, again the dealership sales manager I talk to has always been right on. They talk to Subaru all the time. I think maybe the owner is on the Subaru dealer council or some type of board. As of now they say that's the only model, and I agree it should be at least available on more. Who knows maybe later on??
  • zmanzman Posts: 200
    Update on prognostications for '05 Outback Turbo.

    Yes-2 (juice, aaron)
    No-2 (mark, ian)

    Anyone else want to weigh in?

    10 days and counting to Media Preview in Chicago. Feb 4th is my anniversary. Hmmm....

    Zman
  • cusafrcusafr Posts: 184
    If this is true, what difference is there between the Legacy turbo and the Outback turbo wagons? I'm sure there will be a price difference? Will the Outback have more features?

    If so, than what is the difference between the Outback turbo and the Outback 6-cyl? Other than some low end torque...

    You see where I'm going with this. I intend to buy a 2005 Subaru Wagon. Legacy or Outback name means nothing to me. Price vs features is what I am looking for. I am 50+ and actually prefer the 6-cyl for some of the reasons stated above. Probably close to your "average" buyer. However, being an open minded, logical person, I would consider the turbo, if there was enough justification.

    Any comments welcome.

    Thanks,

    CUSAFR
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    the Outback turbo is the 210 HP unit found in the Forester and Baja? That then would still give the Legacy the edge in terms of power.

    Bob
  • cusafrcusafr Posts: 184
    Shouldn't the Outback be the "superior" vehicle? Actually, that's my thoughts. If the Outback is not the top of the line in features, then why buy it over the Legacy? Surely the Outback will cost more, right?

    CUSAFR
  • I have been looking at the outback sedan, thinking it would be a really nice vehicle if it had a) a stick shift b) turbo. Voiced these thoughts to 2 Subaru dealers who did not mention anything about 05 model offering these features. What's the story? Are they coming out with an outback sedan with stick and turbo, if so, when? Any idea on pricing?
  • The simulataneous notions of increasing ground clearance to 8.5 inches and putting a 2.5 turbo 250 ft/lb torque monster in an Outback makes me think of a whole new suburban adventure: World Grocery Store Rally series! Make mine WR Blue, please!

    Chicago should be full of surprises!

    Mark
  • zmanzman Posts: 200
    Make mine some kind of deep red. Thanks.

    Zman
  • trueawdtrueawd Posts: 64
    The Outback turbo will be the same as the Legacy Turbo 250/250. I'm 100% positive. Again the dealership sales manager I know let me look at a new model listing from Subaru, but would not let me copy it off course. It was from their SoA rep who was asking them to help with ordering colors for their Region. That's why I can't remember it exactly. The thing that stuck in my mind was the OB XT 250/250...couldn't forget that for anyting. I also remember that there was only one sedan 6cyl auto.

    As for difference, again the Legacy will handle better with being close to the groud. The Outback will have much higher clearance. I know not many people actually go off roading and the OB isn't even really meant for the serious off roader, but if you go skiing or have a cabin or do minor off road stuff the OB would probably be better. The will also look slightly different as we've all see the pictures all over the web. I guess the look will be a matter of taste. Plus they will have monotone and non monotone versions. As far as 6 vs 4turbo again. You should (CUSAFR) go test drive them when they come out. I think you'll see that 31 more ft lbs of tqe at those RPMs is a huge difference at least 2plus seconds diff 0-60. Even if that's not what it's about for you, it's still nice to have that power on tap. The other reason is if you want a manual or not, 6 will be Auto only.

    Good luck...all the 05 Leg/OB will be awesome!!
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