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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Yes, it's normal to have surface rust on the exhaust tubing, especially at the weld points. The tubes use a grade of stainless steel that rusts very slowly, but the welds and joints are regular steel and rust more agressively (however, those points are thicker). The whole system should last the life of the car. So don't worry about it -- no big deal! There are other parts of the undercarriage that will rust too (springs, arms, etc) but you can ignore that also.

    Enjoy your new car!

    Craig
  • After studying the Falken, Yokohama, Sumitomo, and Kumho tires, I decided to give the Kumho ECSTA ASX tires a try. These are W-rated, 420-AA-A, all-season, asymmetic, nondirectional. For 4, TireRack's price is $320, shipping is $41, no tax, and a $40 rebate. After mount & bal (lifetime) at my local WallyWorld, my total will be $365 (which is less than I had speced). Not bad for an "ultra-high performance" W tire. The Kumho rebate is in effect until 2006-12-31. The OEM Bridgestones were 260 rated and I got just about 26K out of them, so we'll see if these Kumhos will go to 42K. Thanks to all of you who offered your experiences and opinions.
  • jae2jae2 Posts: 7
    Any word on when the 2007 outbacks will hit the lots in Canada? Local dealers appear to have no idea - is this just a play to clear out the 2006s?

    Thanks,
  • Hi...anyone have any experience with tire wear and performance on the OEM Legacy tires (Yokohama Advanta)? I got these with the car (2006 Legacy Special Edition wagon), and the UTQG rating is only 160-AA-A. How do they wear? How do they handle in winter and on wet pavement? Please post your experiences. Thanks!!
  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    Scott,

    Two questions--

    Have you drained your battery dead yet? :) And *what* are the power accessories that you are using in your car, then getting out, then getting back in to use again?

    I have a lot of gear in my car, but it's all permanently wired in, and I find the accessory ignition option to be all I need.

    ~Colin
  • Thanks a lot, Craig. I'm not worried now.
  • Dead battery? Nope.
    FYI the timer is set on mine to 8 minutes.
    It can be jumper adjusted in steps between 2 and 16 minutes.

    I actually use retained power for rolling up forgotten window/s, or to adjust windows down a bit on hot day. (You also need to do the one-wire window mod for these features).

    Sunroof people will enjoy the twiddling song and dance for closing the sunroof, without having the car running.

    I also enjoy listening to the radio/CD as it continues to play uninterrupted as I gather my stuff to leave.

    Vanity mirrors are also good for a last-glance before the hot date.

    I think these are the most common stock features most people would use retained power to do.

    Maybe the most funky thing about it is the RESUME feature I optioned on the module. By UNLOCKING the car accessories come alive. This is very handy, here's one scenario: car is sitting there all quiet, all closed up, but unlocked on my garage pad, baking in the sun.. I want tunes and to open windows while working around the car. No key in my pocket.. it's in the house. I open the door, reach in and hit the UNLOCK switch. Car was already unlocked but now I just woke up accessories too (for 8 minutes), enough time to do what I need to do. No key needed!

    Here's a power sucker: heated seats work on ACC power! This can work for you, or against you so keep it in mind. Maybe in the morning you want to preheat seats for a couple minutes. So you leave the switch/es on, and use the resume feature hitting unlock while you're still in the house before going to the garage. I don't know about your car, the range on my remote is fantastic.. I can hit the car 100 feet away easy.

    The timer is always in effect, the DOOR opening to kill, LOCK to kill, and UNLOCK to resume are all optional wires. You hook up ones you want, and set the timer how long you want.

    Cheers
    Scott
  • mrk610mrk610 Posts: 378
    Im looking at a 06 outback . The deals are really to good to pass up on . Im looking at a 2.5I and im only finding the cars with the taupe interior . Any one with this color how does it stand up to wear . Does it show alot of dirt, and if it does it it easy to clean .
    I 'm getting one 100 under invoice minus 2000 cash back and 1000 dealer cash so out the door 22318.00 .
    The window sticker is 26797. Im now dealing on my trade 02 outback with 69 k miles on it .

    Thanks in advance
    mike
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 685
    I have an 05 taupe leather interior VDC wagon. The leather seats are no problem, but the floor covering is. I keep mats on top, but the door sill area does get dirty. I would have preferred black for the VDC, but they came only in taupe.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    I specifically sought out the black interior for my 05, as I saw too many taupe cars on the lot that were already dirty with scuffs, smudges, etc. I think it's a couple shades too light to be practical. The black shows dust, but otherwise is great.

    Craig
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Easy to clean if it's been ScotchGuarded, but definitely shows the dirt easily. My salesperson recommended getting an extra set of the dark carpeted floormats, which I intend to do soon. With the 2-tone interior, they still go nicely. There's also the all-weather rubber mats - great for hiking, trips to the beach, etc.
  • Does anyone know if aftermarket LED taillights are available for a 2006 or 2007 Outback?
  • mrk610mrk610 Posts: 378
    Thanks for all your help . I just got a 06 2.5i outback .
    Got the silver with dark grey black interior .
    See my write up in the buying section . I think I got a good deal .
    Love the car what a difference from the 02 .

    Will post pics soon .

    Mike K in South jersey .
  • mrk610mrk610 Posts: 378
    I noticed on my window sticker that the engine origin is Japan .Has this been for since the 05 came out . My 02 engine was assembled in Indiana and it had bad slap before and after the piston replacement. The car is assembled in Indiana. I noticed on these boards that there have been alot less problems with the 05 06 07 engines .

    Mike k
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No head gasket issues, though that stopped some time during MY02. At least in any significant quantities.

    -juice
  • mrk610mrk610 Posts: 378
    My biggest concern is the dreaded piston slap . I have not heard of any problems since the redesign . I cross my fingers every time i start my new outback .
  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    Honestly that was by far the most rare of the classical Subaru problems. I'd be far more concerned about head gaskets and wheel bearings, statistically speaking.

    ~Colin
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    Colin:

    What do you base that statement on? Do you have real numbers or is that your opinion based on dicussions here on the forum? I am just curious since I had the pleasure of experiencing all three on my 98 OB.

    Karl
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ken Suzuki has piston slap on his Forester, and we've only observed a couple of other cases of that happening.

    Gaskets were far more widespread, though thankfully the rate has slowed to a point where now it's no longer frequent.

    -juice
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    The color choices offered on the 07 Legacy GT is pretty pathetic.

    The only way in which you can get a car with a Beige interior is by opting for White (which I despise) or a dull blue color called Newport Blue. Black or Navy (Regal Blue) is no longer offered as an option, with the beige interior. For whatever reason, I think Newport Blue would look pretty good with the black interior and Black would look good with a Beige interior, both of which color combos are not available. Black with a black interior (a combo that is offered), would look like entering a dark cave and to me, has a funereal/forbidding look.

    I like the car but sadly will have to pass it on, since we cannot opt for a combo that we like, even if we special order it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You don't like the Newport Blue? I like it.

    The gray interior will wear better, FWIW. Even though I have to agree that the beige looks better (when new).

    -juice
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Yeah, I think they have messed up the color combos on the Legacy and Outback -- we had better choices in 05. You can still get silver exterior with a black interior on the 07 Legacy GT, and that's a great combo. Back in 05, they offered atlantic blue exterior with a black interior, and it was great. I got an 05 Outback with gold exterior and black interior, which was a nice pair. No longer available though.

    Unfortunately, I think the beige interior is too light, and it shows wear/dirt easily. So I would like more exterior color choices with the black interior, or make the beige darker and/or have a gray interior available.
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    Gold with a black interior should look stunning. The contrasting colors are what makes it look good. Going by Subaru's record, maybe that is why they dropped it !

    I know that Beige will be more high maintenance but I am upto the task. I clean/condition my leather at least once a month.
  • Hello, new to forum. We're planning to purchase a new Outback XT limited. Although we want a navigation GPS unit, I'm not crazy about the cost of the integrated unit that's available.

    Has anyone used the dash compartment to "hide" a GPS unit, rather than mounting on the window (like most aftermarket GPS units seem to do)? Anyone with photos of what this looks like?

    Thanks in advance from a new member!
  • We're thinking about purchasing a new Outback XT Limited and are weighing between the 2006 vs 2007 models. There's a much better rebated for the 2006 ($2750) vs the 2007 ($750).

    The potentially big difference between the two model years is the availability of stability control option with VDC for the 2007 version. Electronic stability control is an important feature, but I'm looking for advice on whether this is possibly worth the $2000 difference. :confuse:

    Thanks for opinions.
  • Colin:

    What do you base that statement on? Do you have real numbers or is that your opinion based on dicussions here on the forum? I am just curious since I had the pleasure of experiencing all three on my 98 OB.

    Karl

    Go to ultimatesubaru.net. There are hundreds of posts on HG and most other maintenance issues. Piston slap is not all that common.
  • Where do you live, how much do you drive, and how do you drive?
  • We just purchased a new 2007 Outback XT Limited w/Nav. The car is utterly fantastic. We also own a 2006 Tribeca 7 Pass w/Nav&DVD. I have been sold on the VDC since Subaru came out with it. The 2007 Outback XT Limited also has SI-Drive (Subaru Intelligent Drive) with the 5 speed automatic (basically three different settings for the ECU, with the "I" supposedly getting up to 10% better mileage. The other two settings are "S" and "S#" - "S" is normal and "S#" is like having no turbo lag anywhere - but remember your gas mileage will go down using it.). So far we have 335 miles on it since last Friday and the one full gas tank I was able to measure accurately came in at 23.2 MPG. I fully expect this to get better after the 1st oil change to my favorite synthetic 5-30 oil and a couple thousand more miles. Most of my miles are 80% Interstate and 20% City.

    If you are going to keep the Subie for several years, I strongly suggest you go with the 2007. The bang for the buck over the 2006 is worth the extra $2,000. ($750 versus $2,750). The new "extra" safety features are worth every penny. The 2007 Outback XT Limited with 5 speed auto has VTD - Variable Torque Distribution, VDC - Vehicle Dynamics Control and TCS - Traction Control System (incorporated in VDC).

    If you can find one at a dealer try driving a 2007 and 2006 I think you will see what I'm talking about. I got the first and only XT Limited my dealer has had. At least try to find one and drive it. I'll bet you will go with the 2007. :)

    If you haven't figured it out I'm a firm believer in Subaru and we own our 6th (Tribeca) and 7th (Outback XT Limited) since 1998.

    BTW the quality of the dealer can make a world of difference - try to find the best one, if you are in an area that has more than one - look at the parts department and the service area as well as the showroom. I'm very lucky to have one of the top dealers in the USA.

    Forgive me for sounding like a commercial, but I really do love Subaru and the wife does too.

    Good Luck and I know you will make the best choice that suits you and yours.
  • In Seattle. Driving includes commuting to and from work, and weekend driving into the mountains for skiing/ hiking. True, Seattle doesn't get terrible snow like some other parts of the country, but it certainly gets a lot of rain and slick weather in the winter.

    I recognize that most in this forum would probably say that the all-wheel drive is the most important performance feature related to safety, but I'm trying to get a feel for whether dynamic stability control is worth more than peace of mind... specifically, is this worth the $2000 difference?

    Asked another way, how much have others noticed an improvement with control in dangerous driving conditions with this feature?
  • nickelnickel Posts: 147
    I have an 06 Sienna with Stability and Traction and a 06 2.5i without. As some say, the OB has a small tendency to loose the tail on turns, but not so serious to worry about if you know the way you are driving. In this situation, VDC would help, but I can live w/o. My Sienna is FWD, and last weekend, on pouring rain it constantly loose traction when accelerating. At one time, it did it at 40 mph on the highway. Boy, that was frightening, because it put the brakes on slightly, and I was imagining if a Subaru was behind me I'd have real trouble, because the Subie never have that kind of situation. Advantage AWD over VDC.
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