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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • rptdcrptdc Posts: 2
    I am looking at a 2007 Legacy Wagon (Not Outback) with a 4 speed AT.

    Can anyone let me know what they are getting on highway and in town 'calculated' mileage?

    Thanks!
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    I'm getting about 24 city/30 hwy on my '06 Legacy sedan w/10k miles (same engine, trans & EPA ratings as the '07 wagon). Have achieved as high as 33mpg hwy on a 3-hour highway trip. Very pleased to be consistently at or above EPA ratings with an engine that's barely broken in.

    Mileage really seems to vary by individual car & driver, though.
  • smittynycsmittynyc Posts: 291
    I've had my 07 Special Edition wagon for about three months. There are 27XX miles on the clock, and the trip computer shows a lifetime 23.8 mpg. This is with the California emissions engine (although I think the mileage is 23/30 for all AT Legacy/OB wagons).

    That's probably 70% city miles, 30% highway. Granted, I haven't driven it with AC yet, but it seems to get much better city mileage than my 04 Forester did -- 19-20 mpg in heavy city driving so far. In the summer in really bad traffic, I could dip as low as 16 mpg with the Forester.

    However, on the highway, I haven't come close to the advertised 30 mpg, and I'm skeptical that it's even possible unless you're keeping it at 55-60 and using the cruise. I'm usually at the flow of traffic -- 75 or so -- and I've either got the transmission in "sport" mode or use the manumatic if I'm on one of the hilly highways around here. The best I've gotten is probably something like 27 mpg.

    Hopefully overall mpg will improve a skosh as the engine seasons some more. Overall, I'm extremely happy with the vehicle. We just had some lousy weather here the last couple of weeks, and it handled it well, and it's a blast to drive. And even though there are tons of Subies around here, you don't see that many Legacy wagons, which I like (and after the 07 model year, there won't be any Legacy wagons, period!).
  • cptpltcptplt Posts: 1,075
    looking at the 07 Subaru Outback brochure it says the XT has a higher road clearance than all the other OBs. Why??
    Also besides the Si drive (and different engines) it seems the XT seats while also being "sporty" does not have the heated seats. Is that correct?
  • blackbeanblackbean Posts: 100
    Hi All,
    I am considering a new 2007 Outback with TPMS. Can I run snow tires & plain rims from Tirerack without sensors?

    Any difficulty with car or dealer? I don't want to pay dealer to "reset" sensors each spring. Can I just ignore flashing light in the winter and reinstall stock rims each spring?

    Thanks!
    Matt
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    I had an XT and always wondered about the ride height difference myself. Not sure why.

    Except for the 2.5i basic model, all Outbacks have heated seats.

    The XT seats are firmer and more bolstered than the seats in the other trim levels.

    Craig
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Might not hurt to ask the folks at Tire Rack for advice on that -- I am sure they have more experience with it. I know a lot of Subaru owners do run winter tires/wheels without the sensors, and the main issue seems to be ignoring the light.

    On some Hondas, you are not allowed to turn off stability control (VSA) when the warning is triggered, which could be an issue since often times is is beneficial to turn off VSA in low speed deep snow driving. Not sure if there are side issues like that with Subaru. Only the LLB and XT models have stability control anyhow.

    Craig
  • willocwilloc Posts: 19
    I always figured the H6 and XT models used the same springs - and since the H4 engine weighs less, the ride height increases accordingly?
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Sounds reasonable to me, though the LLB model is only 35lb heavier than the XT Ltd.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Maybe you can just order up 4 more sensors. That's what my buddy did on his nissan.

    -mike
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    What's the lowest part under the OB, the exhaust system? Could the XT's be somehow unique and just happen to allow that extra 1/3" ground clearance? I don't have much tech knowledge, but it seemed at least plausible. Anyone?
  • blackbeanblackbean Posts: 100
    I heard that the sensors run $75 each and that they all have unique ID's (so as not to pick up data from other nearby by Subie's). This would require a trip to the dealer each spring and fall to recalibrate (more $$$).

    Tirerack indicates that the OE sensors are required and they will not mount tires on rims for the 07 Bean. However, if you add tires and rims to the shopping cart, they still give the option of mount and balance.

    I like to do my own tire rotations and I am cheap, so looking for the thrifty solution! :-)

    I just want to make sure TPMS is a stand alone system and NOT tied into ECU.

    Matt
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Matt,

    I am with you on the home maintenance!

    I logged into the Subaru owner's site and looked at the manual for the 07 Outback. Didn't see any side effects of no TPMS sensors like I see mentioned for our Acuras. So it appears Subaru doesn't tie VDC/etc. into TPMS. I did learn two interesting tidbits: 1) the receiver for TPMS is under the driver's seat apparently (didn't say if it was inside or outside the car), because they warn not to put metal objects under there that would block the signal. 2) the sensors don't send signals until the vehicle hits 20mph.

    Craig
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think it's the exhaust, too. Or the front cross member hangs a little lower on the H6 models.

    -juice
  • steveb10steveb10 Posts: 13
    When I check the oil on my '06 Outback 2.5, I always wait overnight so the engine is cold. Car is dead level. Every time I pull the oil dipstick out I get another reading. Half full on one side of the stick, full on the other etc. It's like the oil gets scraped off when withdrawing the stick. Anybody else have this problem? I
  • michaelncmichaelnc Posts: 14
    Bought my first Subaru about a month ago! Very pleased with the car and I especially appreciate all of the postings. I read about 1/2 of them prior to visiting the dealership, so I knew in advance what I wanted and what to expect. Thanks to all of you and Edmunds!

    I got an '07 Legacy 2.5i SE, 4EAT, satin white pearl (really nice color!); spoiler, splashguards, auto-dim/compass mirror; armrest extension and all-weather mats (some items were already included and some I requested-had to do a dealer trade to get a SE-none on lot!)

    Like I mentioned earlier, I am pleased with the car, but I do have a few gripes:
    1)limited paint color options and the interior color is automatically selected by Subaru :( Black is too dark and taupe is too light (I'll just have to deal with that.)
    2) Glovebox is too small, but the trunk and back seat seem fine for my use
    3) Oil filter is surrounded by exhaust manifold-must let it cool or risk burns to change the oil
    4) Visors are too thick-my garage clicker pops off every few days (I didn't know that I needed the Homelink mirror!)
    5) Low TW rating Yokohama tires-160 is a joke. I know they handle well and ride fine, but I'm going to have to replace within the year! I'm a Yokohama fan, but these are just not proper for mission of the base car.
    6)Make stability control and steering wheel audio controls available on the base car
    7)Why can't I turn the headlights off. Believe it or not, Subaru, there are times when I want to turn them off. (Like pulling into the garage, late at night.) I think DRL's are fine, I just want to be able to defeat at times.

    Likes/Kudos
    1) Great value for $-AWD is a bonus!! 175 hp is adequate for me. I knew not to even test-drive a turbo. :D
    2) Very good gas mileage on regular fuel-7 hr. round trip with 1500 miles on engine yielded 29.7 mpg (30.6 on display)
    3) Spin-on transmission fluid filter and drain plug on pan-all cars should have this
    4) Build quality/interior/exterior design-looks and feels like it should cost much more than it did

    Sorry for the extra long post :) I only have about 4500 posts to read until I'm caught up.

    Regards,

    Mike
    Hickory, NC
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Posts: 775
    You should not check the oil when the engine is cold - oil will have very thick consistency and you will get unreliable readings. After shutting the fully warmed up car off, wait five minutes, then check the oil.
  • michaelncmichaelnc Posts: 14
    One more gripe:
    1) Steering is a little overboosted. I prefer firmer steering, but it's not a big deal.

    Likes (addtl.)
    1) Dual chrome exhaust tips (probably no real need for the NA engine, but they look nice!)
    2) Glovebox integrated into dashboard-only one seam (on the left)-nice curve with the upper dash (still too small though)
    3)MPG/trip computer-helps me try to get even better MPG

    It may have been mentioned in one of the post I haven't read yet, but this morning I needed to check the odometer, but didn't have the keys, so I just pushed the odo button and it lit up along with the fuel gauge! Super detail :)

    Mike
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    check the tires, many times the dealer forgets to air down the tires to the proper psi. they come from the factory over inflated to prevent flat spotting. that over inflation can sometimes contribute the "loose" or over boosted steering feel.

    -Brian
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    I have posted on this before.

    I think the current OB's suck in this regard. I just changed my oil this afternoon. I put in a full 6 quarts rather than the 5.8 that is recommended for the 3.0. There was not any oil on the dipstick when I checked it the first time. This was after letting the vehicle run for several minutes and it was measured on a flat surface. And I did verify that there were no oil leaks.

    I will let it sit overnight before I check it again. I have always found it difficult to measure the oil level with the dipstick. I have found it to be a more accurate measurement after letting it sit overnight.

    Karl
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Always check when cold, as the way the boxer engines sit, you will get a bad read as the oil tends to stay in the passages for a long while after running, or so i've been told.

    -mike
  • clarkkentclarkkent Posts: 154
    Anyone know the ground clearance for the Leacy wagon? Its 8+" for the Outback. Subaru does not advertise it for the Leacy. Must be pretty low.

    Thanks, CK
  • smittynycsmittynyc Posts: 291
    It's 5.9 inches for the wagon (it's listed under "dimensions" off the model page on Subaru.com).
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    "7)Why can't I turn the headlights off. Believe it or not, Subaru, there are times when I want to turn them off. (Like pulling into the garage, late at night.) I think DRL's are fine, I just want to be able to defeat at times."

    Turn the headlight switch off to activate the DRLs only, then lift the parking brake handle up to the first "click" (it won't engage the brake) to de-activate the DRLs. :shades: Pretty cool trick from my salesperson.

    "4) Visors are too thick-my garage clicker pops off every few days (I didn't know that I needed the Homelink mirror!)"

    You can still add the Homelink mirror - I think it's "plug-n-play", so would be easy to install yourself if you wanted.

    Congrats on the new Legacy, Mike! The SEs are a lotta bang for the buck! (I've got an '06.) :)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Disable the DRLs there are a few sites that tell you which connection to pull. :)

    -mike
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Meh... me, I like 'em. :) Don't want 'em off all the time, just like to turn 'em off in the drive-thru, inching forward in traffic for a long time, etc.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I disable the DRLs on my subies and then leave my light in the "on" position all the time. If I want them off I turn them off. If you leave them in the "on" position they turn off with the car anyway.

    -mike
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    That's the way I prefer as well. I have done the e-brake trick momentarily a time or two, but the times I used it (during low speed situations), I noticed the brake did ever-so-slightly engage, so probably not a good long-term solution as this would somewhat reduce the effectiveness of the brake. I was thinking about installing an over-ride switch within the mechanism there so that I could switch off the DRL without actually engaging the e-brake lever. But, I do not want to disable it outright yet since I still am leaning towards dumping this car in the near future. Who knows, the next owner may not prefer the DRLs be disabled! :)
  • cptpltcptplt Posts: 1,075
    just noticed at Nabisco that someone has posted the model specs/colors for 08 and there is indeed a God! there is a OB 2.5iLTD with VDC available for 08!!! Too bad about the lousy colors again!!
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    I'm posting the '08 Legacy & Outback model chart in the Future Models II thread:

    Subaru Crew - Future Models II
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