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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • plim77plim77 Posts: 46
    I just had the oil changed for the 1st time in my 2005 Outback H6 (I bought the car used). I looked at the receipt and it shows that it took 7 quarts of oil. Of course, since this is more than 5 quarts, Pep Boys charged me an additional $4. Have other folks with H6 engines experienced this? Or was I over charged?
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    It's at least 6 qts (look in the owner's manual for the exact numbers). It's hard to get a reading on the H6 engines, so they may have added more than needed (which is not an issue unless it's more than 0.5-1 quart too much). Then again, Pep Boys doesn't have a good reputation here -- a couple years ago, they drained some guys transmission (instead of the engine) during an oil change, then dumped 5 more quarts of oil in his engine. Wrecked both the engine and transmission. Be sure to double check their work.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I see colin, thanks for the input. I have to decide if I'll go with the Mercury Racing Synthetic or the Amsoil for the 502s in the boat. I believe those filters are inverted so you don't lose too much of the 8+ quarts those engines take.

    -mike
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    My 3.0 takes 5.8 quarts. The dipstick is nearly impossible to read based on my experience. If I put 6 quarts in the oil is barely visbile on the dipstick. My guess is that they did not follow the 5.8 quart recommendation, but rather, filled it up until it measured full, which is why it may quite well have taken 7 quarts.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Pep Boys doesn't have a good reputation here

    You're not kidding.

    I just got 2 new tires for my Miata (sidewall got slashed so there was no hope), and had to have them mounted. In a pinch, I went to get them mounted, and most places did not have open time slots for that day, so I went to Pep Boys.

    They left greasy finger prints on the door, the trunk (where the flat was), the steering wheel, and the shift knob. I'm still working to get the mess cleaned up.

    If they don't take care with obvious things like that, imagine the small things you don't see. :lemon:

    I re-torqued my lug nuts as soon as I got home.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,405
    I re-torqued my lug nuts as soon as I got home.

    I hope it was a short drive! I had a pair of tires "inspected" at a local shop and they forgot to torque them at all - just had them hand tight. I drove 12 miles home and started hearing a "thunk" sound (as well as feeling the car jiggle) about 1/2 mile from home. I stopped, checked the wheels, and nearly all 10 of the nuts were about to fall off! I was counting my blessing after that one.... plus they got an earful the next day.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It wasn't, actually. Probably 8 miles or so. I took it easy.

    You definitely, positively, get what you pay for.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Somewhere around 8 years ago or so, I took my ol' '91 Legacy into a Q-Lube. I had just had a new automatic transmission put into the Legacy perhaps a week earlier. The Q-Lube guys tried to convince me the transmission fluid was way overdue to be replaced. Never been back to a quick-lube place since then.

    Though it's interesting, I've never been into doing my own under-the-hood work (& I don't have a garage, so that's a deterrent too, when it's raining 2/3 of the year), so I just go to the dealer now. They've got their own no-appointment oil & tire facility w/a nice, clean, big waiting area, internet hookup, large flatscreen TV, & tons of toys to keep my son occupied. (Heh heh, he gets excited to go to "Carter Subawoo" to play & sit in the showroom models too - which I also like, of course.) :)

    When we got our '06 Legacy, the dealer offered a one-time prepaid fee of $550-$600 or so for oil changes for life. Considering we kept our last Legacy 14 years, and plan on keeping this one awhile, it was a no-brainer for us to go that route. When we go in for major service, they deduct the oil change price from the bill, too.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,405
    From what I have heard and my experience, Carter seems like a top-notch place. Perhaps someday I will be able to do business with them. :D
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    It's not a fancy dealership by any means, and the front-line customer service can be so-so at times, but Carter has a great inventory, convenient hours of operation & loaner cars, very good pricing (online, at least), low-key/no-pressure employees, and has definitely earned my trust and repeat business through the years. Perfect? No. But darn good. I'm rambling. :blush:
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,374
    I too had a pretty good experience at Carter when I bought my FX. The internet pricing is fair and straight forward for sure. The loaners and service on weekends really seal the deal though...I probably won't buy a Subie anywhere else, now.
  • nickelnickel Posts: 147
    Went to the bike shop. They told me that because of the spoiler on my OB wagon, the classic removable bike rack couldn't fit. So, they recommended to buy a tow hitch, and then a bike hitch to match ($300-$500). I wanted the removable, 'cause I also want to use it also on my Sienna minivan. Thing is, that in the not so distant future maybe I'll upgrade to an OB XT or a Tribeca. The hitch can be used on those same models?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Absolutely.

    Hitches usually come in two sizes - 1.25" or 2".

    I was just at the sporting goods store last week, and the bike racks they sold that were hitch mounted fit both. The one I saw actually had a 1.25" hitch but came with an adaptor for 2" hitches.

    Subaru's OE size is 1.25", so you're golden.

    I have the OE rack and of course that is 1.25". It tilts out of the way so you can open the hatch even with the bikes on there. The bikes never touch the vehicle, and it's an easy lift, 10 times easier than roof mounted.

    I'm quite happy. I need a hitch on my next vehicle, though.
  • caliberchiccaliberchic Posts: 402
    I've had them actually scratch my rims while doing an oil change. :surprise:
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    We put the $130 Class 3 (3500lb) "Hidden Hitch" from JC Whitney on a Legacy wagon. It took about 40 minutes to install and mounts to existing holes (although there is one bolt to fish through the frame rail, but its not too difficult). You should be able to order a second hitch that would fit your Sienna as well.
    Its used with a 4 bike Yakima/Rhode Gear hitch rack that was about $90 from REI Outlet.
    The rack can be used on any vehicle with a 1.25" or 2" hitch receiver.
    This will be far more stable than a strapped on bike rack and you wont get marks in your vehicle's paint from the straps.
    If you actually want to tow, there are "plug and play" trailer light adapters for both the Subie and the Sienna that are very easy to install.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Forester and Outback are pre-wired for towing. Legacy and Impreza aren't, AFAIK, so those you might have to splice wires.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I dunno about the Impreza, but the Legacy wagon had the same connector as the Outback for the plug-n-play harness to plug into. It also has the plug for the power outlet in the hatch area.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Didn't know that. For earlier models Subaru didn't even rate the Legacy for towing. Maybe that changed for the newer ones? :confuse:
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Hmm they could always tow IIRC. I think before the newest gen they didn't have the plugs pre-wired in the legacies.

    -mike
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,405
    I, too, definitely recommend you go with a hitch-mounted or roof-mounted rack versus the type you strap onto the gate. The biggest reason is because the strap type completely immobilizes the gate unless you unload the bikes every time! I took a trip from Fairbanks to Oregon and back with a strap-on type, with a full load of bags, food, beverages... and two dogs. I tell you, the loss of the gate was highly annoying.

    No damage to the gate, though. Ours is a Yakima model, but we have not used it at all since that trip. :sick:

    Of course, now that I think about it, you already said that the strap version would not work due to the "spoiler" at the top of the gate. :blush:
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I am a big fan of the roof mounted rack systems, but the main Subie pilot is 5'2" with shoes so the ability to lift mountain bikes onto the roof made the hitch receiver a better option.
    The specific $90 Rhode Gear/Yakima rack will fold away from the gate but its cumbersome, and the arms don't fold down so it effective adds ~4' to the end of the vehicle, making it hard to get in the garage or parallel park. Most of of the newer/fancier ones have fold down arms.
    I would budget $300-400 for a rack system, either using a roof mount for 2 bikes or a hitch mount including the hitch.
  • nickelnickel Posts: 147
    Thanks everybody for your advice. I called today to 3 Subaru dealers in the area, and the cheaper would cost me $299, plus $130 to install. So, the JCWhitney makes a lot of sense. But, wouldn't it void the warranty? How can I know for sure. I'll think that the dealership is going to tell me that it will.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    Thanks everybody for your advice. I called today to 3 Subaru dealers in the area, and the cheaper would cost me $299, plus $130 to install. So, the JCWhitney makes a lot of sense. But, wouldn't it void the warranty? How can I know for sure. I'll think that the dealership is going to tell me that it will.

    If you are in the US, that would be totally illegal. Obviously, they will not warranty the trailer hitch itself if you buy a non-Subaru hitch, but they are only allowed to void the warranty on affected components. I can't think of any associated with the hitch itself. If the electrical unit is defective and fries something, that would be an issue, but we are talking about just the hitch right now.
    Typically, the "OEM" electrical connector is made by the 2 or 3 companies that make the aftermarket t-fittings anyway.
  • michaelncmichaelnc Posts: 14
    Just filled out an initial quality survey on my Legacy SE. My only complaint on the survey was the interior color being easily soiled, but I ranked it as a minor annoyance. Overall I gave it a 9 (out of 10), maybe I should have given it a 10. :D

    Still very pleased with the Legacy. My mpg keeps going up about 1/2 mpg per tank. Now averaging about 30.5mpg!!! (I do have 64 mile round trip commute, without any stoplights. Just open country roads and I keep it under 60mph, which helps the mpg.

    Mike
    Hickory, NC
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sweet that your mileage breaks into the 30s. I think I've only done that twice with my Forester.
  • michaelncmichaelnc Posts: 14
    Just got my Motor Trend-has new WRX on cover. Not so sure about the new styling. Maybe it will grow on me.

    Inside there was also mention of the new 3.6 for the Tribeca. Horsepower and torque gains, improved mpg and now only takes 87 octane! Improved cooling passages allow the new engine to run on regular fuel.

    Super move Subaru. Even better, this engine would be great in a Legacy. :)

    Mike
    Hickory, NC
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Check out the Subaru crew future models thread -- lots of details about both cars over there in the past 3-4 days. Tribeca photos showed up today.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Definitely hop over to that thread because the Motor Trend pics were awful. They made the grille look all-chrome.
  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784
    If you want to go the route of having someone install it for you check out U-Haul. For around $290 or so you get the hitch installed, with all the wiring done for towing (if you need it). For an extra $5 you get a life-time warranty on the hitch good at any Uhaul center.

    Mark
  • I've been hearing that the tires on the '07 standard Legacy Limited wagon are horrible and wear out quick. My neighbors legacy needed new set of "expensive" tires around 35,000 miles. And apparently you can't just replace one, you have to replace all tires on an AWD.

    My question is why are the standard tires so bad, is it because they are low-profile ones? I thought the low profile tires are only for the GT models.
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