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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+



  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    Do not put regular gas in a Turbo engine!

    It will cause detonation and at best the ECU will have to pull WAY back and you will have terrible performance. At worst you will very quickly cause severe damage to your engine.

    Some engines can live with lower ocatane,a t least for a while. But not these turbo engines!!!!

  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    I'm not discounting initial quality at all. I was just pointing out that this statistic doesn't mean that Subarus are more reliable then a Lexus, in the long run.

  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,432
    ...assuming the bump up is fixed at current levels. I wouldn't count on it.

    It's been 16 to 20 cents more for years in my area.

    Unless the additives / octane boosters (or whatever they use to get premium) change in price, the price of crude should not affect the price difference in grades.

    I'm sure Colin will set me straight if I'm out of line. :-D

  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Don't do it -- definitely use premium. On regular gas, the timing will be retarded to prevent detonation and the end result is going to be less power, less boost, etc. If you're going for the turbo motor, best to fully exploit it rather than hobble it.

    I'll tell you right now, I love my XT, but if gas mileage and gas costs matter a lot to you, then it's not the right vehicle for you.

  • kyfdx%40Edmundskyfdx%40Edmunds Posts: 25,862
    About half the Shell stations in my area charge a premium of $0.22 now... But, we get 93 octane for that, not 91.... The rest of the stations are still at a $0.20 difference..

    Moderator - Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • myamaxmyamax Posts: 2
    Hello! I just sold my car today (an older Honda Prelude) and have decided on the Legacy 2.5i sedan. While I have taken one out for a test drive a time or two, I do have a few questions for those of you Subaru owners:

    - I am seriously considering an automatic, after 12 years of driving a standard car. Has anyone purchased the automatic and in hindsight wished they would have got the manual instead? Am thinking about the cars 'get up and go' (and dont want to go for the turbo model due to $$...too many student loans to pay off first!!)

    - with respect to mileage, it seems you folks are getting somewhere in the mid to high 20's with your Subaru's. Out of curiosity, in order to improve the mileage has anyone tried an 89 or even 91 octane fuel in their 2.5i? I know in my Honda using the higher octane (91) fuel made a significant difference in the mileage which more than made up for the extra cost, so I always used the premium fuel. The Subaru manual says the minimum recommended octane is 87...just curious to know if anyone has tried something better.

    - any other advice re: purchasing my Subaru would be appreciated. I am hoping to have bought and received it within the next 2 weeks.
    Thank you.
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    "there is upto 3 ft of snow, i never showel"

    It is called ground clearance not AWD ;-)

  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    Personally I didn't like the 2.5i with the 4EAT.

    That engine was surprisingly peppy with the manual, but was too slow for me with the auto...

    Just my 2 cents...

  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    other suvs that have same ground clearance spins, what do attribute this to ? i will to AWD
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    that my Legacy GT with similar AWD would get hanged on 3 ft of snow. I would attribute it to low clearance and not presence of AWD.
    AWD would get me suspended further down the road.


    PS 3ft of snow asks for ground clearance. Which and how many wheels are spinning is minor issue if they cannot touch the ground.

    PS2 Do you have 3ft of snow on the ground when you drive or road is plowed and you just go through the bank the plows made ?

    Other SUVs have probably wrong or bald tires. Driver could be an issue too.
  • occkingoccking Posts: 346
    I have the 2.5 4EAT & getting used to it. Sure, not real quick off the line, but more than adequate. Sure beats my wife's 97 Honda Odessey with the 2.4 140 horses job. As I put more miles on it does seem a little more responsive. So far, at close to 6000 miles have averaged 24.8 (actual) miles so hoping it will improve with the warmer weather.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Max makes a good point, public perception lags several years behind reality.

    If Hyundai stays on track, then my guess is 5 years from now the public will think of them as a quality car maker. The jokes have already mostly stopped.

    OTOH, Lexus could slack off completely for 4-5 years before the public would recognize that.

  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Posts: 1,760
    look at mercedes and bmw. look at their reliability. according to juice law they have hell to pay in about 2 years.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,922
    Regular in this area is costing about $3.87 a gallon and premium usually runs 50 cents a gallon more. For those that don't know my location, it is Ottawa Canada.

    Cheers Pat.
  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    You are incorrect Pat.

    a US gallon is 3.785 litres, and the exchange rate is about 1.22. Currently gas is about 79 cents in Ottawa, so that is .79 x 3.785 / 1.22 = $2.45 US.

    Premium is usually 6 more cents per litre which would be .85 x 3.785 / 1.22 = $2.63 US or 18 cents more per gallon).

    And if you go across the river to an Ultramar gas station on Thursdays, the premium is the same price as the 89 octane, saving you 3 cents a litre.

  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    sduford, "Subaru Crew: 2005+ Subaru Legacy/Outback" #6741, 8 Mar 2005 12:13 pm

    Yes, but a CAD earned and spent in Canada is equivalent to a USD earned and spent in USA.

    CAD 3.87/gal is expensive.

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,267
    No doubt about that, Krzys! The Subaru's AWD will take it through deeper snow than a 2wd with similar GC could handle (all other factors, such as tires and driver ability, being equal), but in my experience (and I get 6 months/year to play with '96 OBW ~ 6.5" clearance), anything more than 14" of sustained depth will "get me suspended further down the road." :-D If it is "wet" (very compact) snow, the same can happen in 8-10".

    I can pop it through some pretty deep burms and short stretches of maybe 50', but my front bumper is feeling the effects of that..... Subarus plane up on deep, compact snow pretty well, so as long as there is momentum and a straight line, it glides quite admirably.

    Now, let me also clarify that I am one of those stubborn fools who currently uses all-seasons. A real winter tire could probably help the car plow through at least another 6" of relatively dry/light snow.
  • sdufordsduford Posts: 577
    That would be .79 * 3.785 or $2.99 cdn per US gallon. You must be using Imperial gallons, which are 20% larger (4.54 litres).

  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    I went from a 97 Prelude (5-spd manual) to a 2000 Outback (5-spd manual). During test drives, it was immediately apparent to me that the auto trans was not going to cut it with the base 2.5 engine. I just didn't like the way the auto transmission shifted and it seemed to suck the life out of the engine. With the 5-spd manual, however, the Outback was downright fun to drive and I didn't miss the Prelude a whole lot.

    Since then, I have had an 02 LL Bean with the H6/auto and it was nice. I now have an 05 XT with the 5EAT and couldn't be happier. If I was going back to a base engine (and that is actually appealing for the better gas mileage) I would either get an Outback with a 5-spd manual or a Forester with auto-trans. My wife had an 03 Forester XS with the base 2.5 engine and a 4EAT and it was a blast to drive. Much better vehicle size for the engine/transmission combo.

    Other things to consider -- auto is better for offroad use, for creeping along at slow speed, and for heavy traffic. Those things gradually drove me to automatic over the years, despite the fact that I preferred manual. Fortunately, the 5EAT matched with the turbo motor in my XT is quite good, and I don't miss manual so much anymore.

  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    What were your opinions on the 2.5i with automatic during your test drives? If you felt it was more than adequate, chances are you will be happy with it during your ownership. Most automatics break in over the first few thousand miles and improve responsiveness compared to when new.

    However, if you are the type that likes more spirited driving and engine control, then you may end up wishing for a manual in the end. But beware -- Honda makes some of the best manual trannies in the industry. Subaru's is okay, but not one to bring in rave reviews. Be sure to try both out before you buy.

    As for gas milage, the answer is it depends. With my former 98 Forester 5MT (similar engine to the 2.5i) I never really saw an improvement in performance or milage when switching octane. Since the EJ25 engine does not have the ability to advance timing (only retard it based on knock), it doesn't have the built-in ability to take advantage of the knock-resistance of higher octane fuel. In fact, I've even heard of some folks getting worse milage and performance when going to 91.

    Happy shopping!

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