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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yikes, I hope you replaced it?
  • ncc4ncc4 Posts: 16
    I have a 2007 Outback and the "belt line molding" on both rear passenger doors need to be replaced. With the doors closed, and in warmer temperatures, when I opened the windows, as they were going down they rolled the molding over. It's supposed to stay flush against the glass.
    The continual "rolling over" will eventually break the molding, then water can easily get in.
    I'm inside the 3 year bumper to bumper warranty ( just! ) so the dealer has ordered the parts.
    Others may want to check this issue on their vehicles.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    Front brakes at 35K??? You gotta be kiddin me. I get a MINIMUM of 60K on brakes and then, it is not the pads which are in need of replacement... it is the rotors which are too rusty....so I replace the pads whilst I have things torn apart.

    Perhaps you are one of those which drive with both feet (one on brake and one on throttle)? Both of my parents drive like this so I know it is not uncommon.

    Also, most modern antifreeze is designed to go well over 100K miles. (HOAT - hybrid organic acid technology)

    Sparkplugs should also go well over 50K.

    You ABSOLUTELY should replace brake fluid every 2-3 years reguardless of milage! (or expect expensive brake components to corrode from inside-out)

    I beleive fuel-filter is INSIDE the gasoline tank and is part of the fuel-pump assembly. That one is designed to last the life of the fuel-pump. I am not aware of another fuelFIlter besides that.
  • The mechanic called me on Friday and said the problem with my car is a fried body integrated or integrating unit. Does that ring a bell with anyone. They ordered a new one and it is supposed to be here any day.

    I HOPE!!!

    NAF
  • Thanks for you informative reply.

    I drive as conservatively as possible and mainly on highways but by 35,000 miles I felt that the stops were getting somewhat longer. My mechanic who has serviced my cars for forty years recommended new front brake pads and charged me $167. I trust him with my life. And the brakes do feel firmer now.

    As I also have a Lexus GS430 perhaps I am holding my Subie to a higher standard. The Lexus brushes off speed very strongly. But all in all I am very satisfied with the Subie.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    The "feels firmer" has very little to do with installing new pads. (Pads do not alter "firmness" of brake pedal) In-fact, brake-pads should get BETTER as they wear in. Technically, a thin layer of carbon from the pad gets xferred to the steel rotor thus providing a carbon-on-carbon friction surface. Only if you wear the pads clear down to metal will you feel less braking-power.

    HOWEVER: Replacing the brake-fluid has EVERYTHING to do with the brake pedal "feeling firmer".

    I am not suggesting you did this... but it is worth repeating here .... due to physical charactoristics, installing "high performance" pads may be a bad idea. Most "high performance" pad compositions DO NOT WORK WELL until they are fully warmed up. They are designed to be used under racing-conditions where they are extremely hot. This means a panic-stop will provide LESS braking power with "high performance" pads.

    For more details... feel free to join us in the "Stop here, lets talk about brakes" forum here in EDMUNDS
  • I just bought a 2007 out 2.5i with 17" alloy's with pretty new tires. the problem is that they aren't really meant for snow and i'm a ski patroller and need to drive on roads with snow often before they have been plowed. I have a set of 16" blizzaks (sp?) mounted on standard black rims I used on my 2000 VW passat wagon. Can i use these on my outback? will they mess anything up? I don't know if i have a tire pressure sensor thing or not, how do i tell if i have one?

    Thanks
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,398
    If the bolt pattern fits, they will work. You can put 16" rims on modern Subaru vehicles, but 15" rims are too small now. It doesn't matter if you have the TPMS system on your '07 (I think it was standard on all non-Basic models); if you can live with the little warning light on your dash all winter, you don't really need the sensors in the tires. You *can* get TMPS sensors installed in the secondary rims, but they are pretty spendy; I think around $150. Tirerack.com lists TMPS stems as $140 for a set of four.
  • Thanks. i don't really know what model i have. It was a fleet car and the dealer said he didn't know what model it was. it's got the 2.5 with the cold weather package and the nicer rims. my valves on the tires are metal if that makes a difference.

    Thanks.
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    The 2.5i Basic wagon comes with 16-inch steel wheels; all other Outbacks have 17-inch alloy wheels.

    2007models include a tire-pressure monitor (except on the Basic wagon);
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,398
    Then yes, it has the TPMS system. Again, you can use 16" wheels with it, but you either have to ignore the TPMS warning light on the dash or put stems in it. I will have the same issue with the 2010 Forester I am picking up in a couple weeks. I purchased a used set of 16" factory painted steel Subaru rims off a 2007 Forester model (got a screaming deal on them, too!) to use with my studless winter tires, but I will not put TPMS stems in them.
  • yea, i thought i had a 2.5i non-basic. I'm not going to spend any money on a new set of monitors, so i'll just deal with it. i drove around in my passat without the use of windows and other conveniences like that so i think i can deal with a light on.

    I was going to get a 2010 forester or outback because i get a good discount as a ski patroller, but i found an 07 for $12k. that's a big difference in cost, eh? i'm going to drive this one for a while and get a diesel in a couple of years when they come out.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,398
    $12K? That's fantastic! If it was well-maintained during its previous life, you should have a great car and it probably won't lose much value over a couple of years. I am not sure where you are located, but around here one would probably pay close to $6K more than that for an '07 Outback 2.5i.

    -Wes-
  • well...it has 78k miles on it...but other than that, it is perfect. a couple of tiny scratches and that's it. the inside, engine and bottom of car all look like the cars right off the showroom floor.

    I'm in asheville NC and my options were 2005 2.5's with 50-60k miles for about 15,900 or 2006-2007's with about the same mileage for $16k-19k. In fact, i found another 2007 like mine with 95k miles for 13,900 and another with 87k miles for 14,500 so i went to a town only about 10 miles away and found mine. The problem here in asheville is that everyone wants a 2005+ but no one wants to get rid of them unless they trade them in on a new one so there are very few used ones around. so the dealers and car salesmen go to auctions Florida and buy as many as they can find.

    my plan is to keep it in great condition and trade up in a couple of years. i will only put about 5,000 miles on it this year. My brother got an 05 with 50k miles on it a year ago and is already at 69k and we joke that even though mine has 78k miles on it, he's going to hit 100k way before me.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Must be all trip miles.

    At your slower pace eventually it'll even out.

    Congrats. Great price indeed.
  • is anyone able to enlighten me as to why my Subaru Outback Wagon 2005 LL Bean would now need a new Body Integrated Unit and Instrument Cluster?My car has less than 90,000miles on it. I am not a very happy camper.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,398
    Unless there was an electrical surge or some oddity that shorted the unit, I do not know. It is rare, for sure.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    You aske why this might happen - let me ask you some questions...

    Was your car ever jump-started?
    Was an aftermarket stereo installed? (or any other non-subaru electronic device)
  • fsrphfsrph Posts: 3
    Hi,

    Looking at buying a 2005 Legacy GT wagon as a 2nd car. It has a lot of the features I'm looking for. However, I really dislike the stock 45 profile tires. Too low profile for me. Does anyone know if I can replace the stock 45 profile tires with one with a higher sidewall? Maybe 55 or 60 profile? Thanks.

    Frank
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,398
    Not unless you put a smaller rim size on the car so that the overall circumference of the tire remains relatively constant. There is not a lot of space in the wheel wells, so increasing the sidewall height from 45 to 55 or 60 (all other things remaining constant) will increase your tire's diameter by nearly two inches for 55% profile or over 2.5 inches for 60%. I assume this car has what, an 18" rim on it? It should be able to handle 17" rims, though it may have an oversized brake caliper that could preclude smaller sizes such as 16" (which will fit on other '05 Legacy models such as the L, Outback, etc).
  • Hmm- is it the look of the tires? I run Michelin Pilots on mine at a width of 225. It gives a slightly less agressive appearance w/better contact/traction. The ride is also better than the stock BF Goodriches- but more expensive as well.

    If you are looking for a softer ride you may want to skip the GT altogether as it comes with a sport-tuned suspenion (versus non GT models). I wouldn't buy an Outback and throw 45 series performance tires on it, so I am not sure doing the opposite to a GT model makes much sense either...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You may also have clearance issues in the wheel well.

    Make sure the overall diameter stays within 3% of the original. That's the industry standard, and 3% isn't much.
  • Stock Legacy GT is a 215/45R17 IIRC. The Legacy 2.5i is a 205/55/16. I don't know if the brakes are a different size between the two or not. You can always use the miata.net tire size calculator or the tire rack one to find the appropriate size.
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    Diameter
    24.5 - 24.6" on 215/45-17
    24.9" on 205/55-16
  • ncc4ncc4 Posts: 16
    I have a '07 Outback 4-cyl. with the 4 speed automatic and about 30,000 miles. I just did a "drain and fill" on the transmission and the oil smelt burnt, and was brown. I know that engine oil changes color with use, but I didn't think it happened with auto. trans fluid.
    I don't tow anything, and most of my driving is generally flat land commuting.

    Anyone know if Subaru transmissions tend to "burn" or discolor the oil, or am I headed for a problem!

    Thanks in advance for any help.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Note that 1.2% variance falls within the industry standard 3%. You have a tiny bit of wiggle room, but not much.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,398
    No, that is not normal at all. Are you headed for a problem? Possibly, but I think it depends more on the conditions under which you drive, your driving habits, and how often you change the fluid. If it is brown, the fluid was significantly overheated at least once. Now you have to determine why.....
  • scottinkyscottinky Posts: 194
    this maybe a silly question, but is the rear seat area of this car on the small side? I am considering giving up my Odyssey for one of these, and I have two small kids in carseats. I checked measurements, and it doesn't seem to be much bigger than my wife's Jetta, which is somewhat tight in the back. I want a midsize wagon we wont grow out of in a few years.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,398
    It's a little tight for carseats but much better for children (not in carseats). For a family of four, it is adequate. It is certainly not cavernous like the new model, but it is nothing like, say, a 2+2. Plus, it has generous amount of storage space behind the rear seatback. ;)
  • scottinkyscottinky Posts: 194
    its such a fantastic machine, I really want one, I just think I would miss the space the odyssey provides. Sport wagons are going the way of the dodo. I think I might run down to my subie dealer tomorrow and check out the wagons. I did test drive an outback and really liked it, but i do remember the interior being tight.
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