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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • sebberrysebberry Posts: 148
    I think Subaru left another bit off of the Legacy GT 5MT... VTD. There go my thoughts of switching to standard from auto... :(

    Well, the sportshift will hopefully make up for that.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    After the IIHS report on midsize cars in side crashes, I bet Subaru is breathing a sigh of relief they it has chosen to equip its new Legacy and Outback vehicles with Side Impact curtains and seat mounted thoracic bags for the front passengers. Kudos, FHI.

    ~alpha
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    I share your sentiments too. Although most of my decision to go from manual to auto was primarily wife driven, part of it was due to the fact that the rift between continuous and VTD AWD was getting big. Plus, the wheel mounted shift buttons were nice too.

    Ken
  • zoomer1zoomer1 Posts: 42
    The wife acceptance factor (WAF) is critical, isn't it? We have to get a car that gets favorable ratings from both IIHS and NHTSA (it does make a difference on your insurance rates...add up over 8 to 10 years) but also has some of the more desirable safety features. Not because we autocross and race but because other folks around sometimes are not paying attention. The same reason as Ken we are looking at Auto. Now I have to decide whether the navigation unit is worth pursuing because other WAF AWD cars have it and Legacy might not. Although the pictures on need-desire show a rectangular piece of trim right about the CD that could be (made into?) the location for a 3x5 navigation unit. Anyone else notice that?
  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784
    It's funny you should mention the shift buttons. I was at the NY auto show Friday night where I asked one of the Subaru reps what are the buttons for. The first 2 people replied that they're not sure, maybe it's for the radio? One person told me it controls everything on the center console (radio, climate control, & trip computer). Finally I found one woman who was pretty sure it was for the sport shift.
         I found that most of the Subaru reps had very little knowledge of the new OB or Legacy. They ususally referred me to the need-desire web site. It seemed I knew more than they did (not too surprising when you consider I get most of my info from the Crew here, that is pretty disappointing). My friend who was with me could not belleve they did not even know what the mileage was on the 05's. The answer I kept on getting was that they will know more after they attend a regional class in July.

    The good thing was I was able to see/feel the difference in the increased ground clearance on the OB. I definitely felt it getting in to the car, and it may be enough to lean me towards the OB over the Legacy - I like the higher feel. Unfortunately, the Subaru reps did not know if there will be any type of front armor (skid plate) available.

    Just as an FYI - they seem to think that a NAV system will be offered on the 06's.

    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If you're on a budget, a left over '04 is a good deal. '05s are much improved, but they'll cost a good $2-3 grand more for at least a few months, until supply catches up.

    -juice
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,472
    FYI - The buttons on the XT are for the SportShift. The buttons on the Bean / VDC and H6 sedan are for the radio.

    DaveM
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    I am not very knowledgeable on Subarus, never considered one until now. Mostly due to interior quality and having to take AWD which I don't think I would find any need for. After looking at the specs of the entry-level 4-speed automatic version of the Legacy I'm somewhat interested in this car. It seems to have a nice interior, ABS and side curtains standard, 4-wheel discs, and judging from the previous post of the crash test scores seems to be a safe car overall.

    If anyone could answer any of my questions I would appreciate it.

    How is the reliability of Subarus in general? Again I'm interested in the 4-speed auto version of the Legacy. Is the AWD system, transmission/engine, etc. reliable in this car?

    Anyone who has seen the car in person, how is the interior quality of it? How does it compare to say, an Acura TSX? How is the quality of the cloth? I would prefer leather but don't want a sunroof and don't have the money for the limited version. I have seen the new Volvo S40 interior and thought the cloth kind of cheapened the interior overall. I was wondering if the cloth in the Subaru did the same thing as cloth in the Volvo did.

    What is the weight of the 4-speed auto version of the Legacy? I have not seen the specs for it yet. I was afraid the AWD system might add too much weight because I thought the 4-cyl auto version of the Mazda6 was a bit sluggish but could deal with it. I would think the Legacy will be similar to the Mazda6 in acceleration right?

    Finally, I have not seen any pictures of the 16" alloys on the base version. I have seen a couple but they were at an angle so you can't see them very well. Any clear shots of what they look like?

    Thanks in advance for any help!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Reliability is better than average. More importantly, the Subaru Crew here on Edmunds has a rep from SoA as an active member, and she really takes care of us. That's why a lot of us have more than one Subaru. My family has owned 6 total, 4 currently.

    I've seen them in person in Detroit and then again in Philly, plus I own a 2002. It's a big improvement, no doubt. Nicer headliner, padded too, fabric covered A-pillars, better finished carpeting edges, stuff like that. 4 level heated seats and side curtain air bags are standard, too.

    I have not driven a TSX. The Volvo S40's rear seat is smaller compared to the Legacy's, it's closer to WRX in size. Actually I think the WRX has more head room.

    With an aluminum hood, roof rails, front and rear bumper beams, the Legacy will lose 180 lbs, so the 2.5l engine should feel more than adequate unless you're Speed Racer.

    IMO the Subie boxer mates up well to an automatic because it's a torquey engine that doesn't have to rev high to make power.

    -juice
  • ntk1ntk1 Posts: 57
    I am in the situation where I have been offered a deal of $500 over invoice for a Legacy sedan GT MT if I commit within the next week.
    The question I still have is what the acceleration performance is likely to be. I would be very dissapointed if I put my money down and then the car tested with 0-60 in the 6's. Can anyone shed any light in this area (I guess the driving factors will be weight and gearing, both of which I have no info on), Thanks
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    0-60 in the 6s is not too shabby. That's quicker than the automatic Altimas and Accord with a V6, and about where the MT models are.

    Having said that, the Forester XT was clocked at 5.3 seconds, and while the Legacy is slightly heavier (though the different will decrease) it's also rated for 40 extra horses, and 15 extra lb-ft.

    I'd guess about 5.5 conservatively, with the MT. Maybe 6.4 for the auto. The auto might be quicker since this is the new 5 speed with Sportshift controls on the steering wheels.

    I think $500 over is a good price right now, if you hesitate you might have to wait a few months to match that.

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Subaru's preliminary estimates on the GT 0-60 time is 5.5 seconds. Given that all things considering, the GT will be somewhere between the STi and FXT, 5.5 seconds sounds about right. Subaru typically will provide conservative estimates until a car magazine posts their data. Keep a heads up for next month's car magazines -- they'll probably have reviews.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm driving one on May 17 and will give you my butt-dyno estimates.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    LOL

    Oh yeah, *if* I fit in the seat!

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    LOL! Poor juice.

    Hey, as long as it's accurate, size doesn't matter. ;-)

    Ken
  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,927
    Only this is a family group you left yourself wide open for some lewd comments:-)

      Cheers Pat.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    See? That's why I need the wide-body 7 seater!

    -juice
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    ^ Now he needs a wide body too...

    Oh my.... :-)
  • rob_mrob_m Somewhere North of BostonPosts: 807
  • jchagtdijchagtdi Posts: 55
    I was driving home last night, and while on I-95 South in Mass, I saw a transport truck loaded up with new '05 Legacys! There were 4 or 5 Legacy sedans, and the rest were Bajas. No Legacy wagons or OBs, though. Has anyone seen the '05 Legacy on a dealer's lot yet?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,696
    Good catch!

    Bob
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,903
    Subaru has a port location here in Boston not too far from my office. I don't know if Legacies are still stored there - I'll take a look.

    I believe there is a big auto storage facility in Westwood somewhere.
  • jchagtdijchagtdi Posts: 55
    That makes sense since Boch is the NE Subaru distributor. I work in Westwood, so I can check it out, I just don't know where their lot is.

    Norwood Subaru still has a sea of '04 cars, so who knows when I'll see the '05s there.....
  • pathtomaxpathtomax Posts: 215
    I am up in NH and our dealerships are flooded with 04's as well as used models. Wonder if they will delay?

    So, regarding the steering wheel buttons. Will the XT manual have radio controls?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    So....who will get the first one?

    -juice
  • goneskiiangoneskiian Posts: 381
    Just talked to my sales guy today as he got my VIP letter from Subaru yesterday. He's got a Silver GT Ltd. Wagon with the AT and a Black with the MT coming in the second or third week of May. Guess I need to decide. I may wait to drive both before deciding but I'd say I'm 90% sure I'd go with the MT. Says he may try to trade the Black one for a Silver one with another dealer for me. ;-)

    So, maybe end of May or early June for me!

    -Ian
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