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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,922
    This talk about an astronomical price jump on the 2005 Legacy is starting to get tiresome.Why give yourself an ulcer over that which you cannot control?

    In other world markets where the new legacy is already on sale there was a minimal price increase, why would Subaru shoot themselves in the foot by pricing themselves out of the market here?

     Cheers Pat.
  • zoomer1zoomer1 Posts: 42
    Good point. I, for one, will test drive the new Legacy and bounce it against the VW 4Motion, G35x, Pacifica, and even Highlander Hybrid. I really hope SOA has done a good job with the interior. Is there any information on whether navigation is completely out for the sedans? Automotive news implied so but I wasn't sure if it was definite.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    how the price increase is THAT substantial, given the upgrades...

    ~alpha
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    All signs point to no navigation system initially. There have been some rumors of navi availability at the end of the year.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    I bet it will be a separate '06 model, and not an option. In Europe it's sold as a GTn. I bet it will be packaged here in North America the same way; all Legacys and Outbacks with nav will be ID'ed with an "n" classification.

    I also bet we'll get the Legacy H-6 w/6-speed for '06. Reportedly that car will go on sale in Europe, Oz & NZ in the fall. I bet we'll be next.

    Bottom line: I think for MY06 SOA will flush out the Legacy & Outback with all the MIA items we had hoped for for MY05.

    Bob
  • thepdmmthepdmm Posts: 82
    Navigation won't be offered in this model year, I have heard that the holdup has something to do with the future use of GM's OnStar??

    I could tell you the source of this info however either way it doesn't matter.. you can believe it or not.. I don't know if I believe it or not.. I do know that the Navigation system won't be offered.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Zoomer wrote

    high quality interiors are standard

    I noticed this right away. Thicker carpets. Padded headliner, fabric even on the A-pillar like BMW and Mercedes. No loose edges on carpets, all tucked away. Power seats with nicer fabrics and better comfort plus 4 level heat.

    You may not need or even want this, I have a feeling some will say the interior is "too nice" for the wear and tear of a family or muddy mountain bikes. But that's what they mean by that.

    Accord only comes as a sedan. I think 93% of all Outbacks are sold as wagons. With Legacy it might be less, but still, the great majority of Subies are not sedans.

    Accord also only comes with FWD. Zero Subarus with FWD now.

    Plus, keep in mind you pay more for wagons, about $1000 more. $2000 more than that for AWD. Add that to an Accord and you see the value of a Subie. In fact the Accord might get SH-AWD but that would definitely make it cost more.

    -juice
  • radianradian Posts: 21
    Juice-

    Have you seen/felt the fabrics in person? Or has anyone? I'm curious if they're like the WRX interior fabrics (shiny/smooth)? Or the STi (suede-like)? Or more like the old Legacy fabric (bland cloth)?

    Thanks,
    Luke
  • Subie sells a lot of wagons because no one else sells wagons in that price range except for Ford. ;) There's more competition for sedans.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    Not Sti-like, :(

    but still very nice.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yes, there are fewer wagons competing, but Subaru sells very, very few sedans. That was my point.

    They could stop building sedans and people would barely notice!

    Mazda6 and Passat wagon are the only competitors I can think of close enough to be cross-shopped, and only VW offers AWD. Plus VW sales have plunged lately, while Subaru is growing.

    Yes I've sat in a few 2005 Legacys, and I own a 2002 so I feel qualified to say there is a noticeable move upmarket in terms of fit and finish and materials. It matches the Passat now, with a more interesting dash design. I'm impressed.

    -juice
  • Well, the Mazda6 just came out, and even though Mazda's sales are pretty booming lately, they target a different market (the WRX/XT/GT trims would overlap somewhat, but that's about it). The Passat is really (supposed to be, anyway) a level above Subaru. Hence, on the wagon, you can't get AWD much below 30k, I think.

    Still, since Subaru sells an Outback up there, it might be valid competition. But you have to throw in the Taurus/Sable twins (unfortunate, but true), and the Mazda6 wagon too. Wait...Dodge Magnum. With optional AWD, though I don't know where it's going to price. Hmm, hey Edmunds, I smell a comparison test coming! ;)
  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,922
    Bawahahah, you must be joking, these bottom feeding junkers compare to nothing but themselves.

      Cheers Pat.
  • ntk1ntk1 Posts: 57
    The need-desire web site has the official prices posted
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    I want to see some comparos with:

    Audi A4 3.0 Avant
    Audi A6 3.0 Avant
    BMW 325Xi Wagon
    BMW 535i Wagon
    Mazda 6 Wagon
    Saab 9-5 Aero Wagon
    Volvo V70 T5 Wagon
    Volvo V70R Wagon

    Acura TL Sedan
    Infiniti G35/x Sedan
    Saab 9-3 Aero Sedan
    Cadillac CTS
    BMW 330i/Xi Sedan
    Volvo S60/R Sedan
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    I believe the press embargo just ended in early April. There have been sightings of 05 models around Ann Arbor so it could be the evaluations by car mags.

    Since the May issues are already out, I'd guess June.

    Ken
  • moutbackmoutback Posts: 39
    From need-desire.com:

    2005 Legacy Base MSRP:

    5-speed manual:
    2.5i Sedan: $20,995
    2.5i Wagon: $21,995
    2.5i Sedan: $24,445
    2.5i Wagon: $25,645
    2.5GT Sedan: $25,995
    2.5GT Wagon: $26,995
    2.5GT Ltd. Sedan: $28,495
    2.5GT Ltd. Wagon: $29,695

    4-speed auto:
    2.5i Sedan: $21,995
    2.5i Wagon: $22,995
    2.5i Ltd. Sedan: $25,445
    2.5i Ltd. Wagon: $26,645

    5-speed auto:
    2.5GT Sedan: $27,195
    2.5GT Wagon: $28,195
    2.5GT Ltd. Sedan: $29,695
    2.5GT Ltd. Wagon: $30,895

    2005 Outback Base MSRP:

    5-speed manual:
    2.5i Wagon: $23,995
    2.5i Ltd Wagon: $26,995
    2.5XT Wagon: $27,995
    2.5XT Ltd. Wagon: $30,695

    4-speed auto:
    2.5i Wagon: $24,995
    2.5i Ltd. Wagon: $27,995

    5-speed auto:
    2.5XT Wagon: $29,195
    2.5XT Ltd Wagon: $31,895
    3.0R Sedan: $30,995
    3.0R LL Bean: $32,195
    3.0R VDC: $33,395

    Not bad.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The new Legacy is a match for the Passat in terms of materials now. And the design is much more imaginative, sporty, cockpit-like.

    Dodge Magnum with a Hemi starts at just under $30k. But I bet the Legacy XT is quicker. Plus Magnum's AWD will cost another $2000 probably.

    Character will be 100% different, though.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    in the past were too pricey because the content just wasn't there. Now it is. The closest competitor to the LL Bean and VDC is the Volvo XC70, which is a good $5 - $6K over the Subies. The Passat 4Motion competes with the Legacy GT, not the Outback.

    From what I can see so far, the Subie prices seem to be in line with the competition.

    Bob
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