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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's true, we're still thinking of the current model while looking at prices for the new ones.

    I guess we want something for nothing, i.e. better cars at the same prices.

  • moutbackmoutback Posts: 39
    Actually they are useful if you read the specifications associated with each model.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,600
    I think he means a nice detailed sheet with little numbers, x's, o's, and p's in the boxes next to all the description. A little bit more info than given on need-desire.
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    more detailed specs. next week.

  • subewannabesubewannabe Posts: 400
    so I'm gonna put winter tires on my ole' explorer and wait until things settle down a bit. Its way too easy to look at a fully-loaded Mazda 6 wagon, including the Bose audio, for under $24 out the door with special financing to boot, and panic at the thought of paying another $6 GRAND for the AWD and turbo....when the Mazda already has more grunt than the '04 3.0 Outback.

  • moutbackmoutback Posts: 39
    It's silly to expect detailed pricing data BEFORE the cars are actually ready for sale.
  • jwatsjwats Posts: 72
    Does anyone have a feeling for how much in demand for the new Legacy GT is likely and what to expect for dealer pricing? What do you think would be a good deal? My own guess is that a lot will depend on reviews in June magazines but there will not be a huge initial demand unless the reviews are very favorable. Like many, I am trying to decide whether to buy now or wait a bit.
  • radianradian Posts: 21
    I've ordered a GT Sedan w/MT and put down a $500 deposit. I would have preferred to get one from the first allocation, but there are literally none coming to my region (midwest, 6 different dealers were looking for me). I think I got a good deal at $750 over invoice, but it'd be possible to save a little more if you're willing to negotiate... and someone at NASIOC said he ordered and did "better" as well. I'm getting a version of the Legacy at the "value" end of the spectrum, whereas the GT Limited wagon w/AT seems a whee overpriced (in comparison to other Legacy models) and you'd probably have more room to negotiate at that end of the spectrum.

    Unless you wait for the reviews and they all say it's the best thing ever, I think you'll easily get a fair deal. Even then, there doesn't seem to be as much hype/anticipation as there was for the WRX.

    I'd say if you want a turbo with MT, you may want to order sooner. Otherwise there should be lots of cars to look at at the end of May.
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Posts: 1,760
    i have prices but no specific details on what these models/trims offer. and i think the details are set if SoA has established a price.

    thanks patti for the heads up for details next week.

    silly me....
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Cool! Thank you!!

    The only problem I have with the Legacy, if the above spec sheet is correct, is 1) pass through only and no folding seat on Sedan and 2) I really wish there was an options package that offered power drivers seat, moonroof, and a few other niceties for the basic 2.5i. Theres a big price jump from the 2.5i to the 2.5Limited, AND I hate leather anyway.

  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784

    I second the thank you for that link.

  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Posts: 1,760
    only thing that could help that is to line up forester line , legacy and outback in a grid comparison, instead of flipping to see for instance width of vehicle, which seems to be missing from the legacy info

    thanks again
  • Alright, Ive been doin lots of research. I am going for the bare bones Legacy cuz Im poor and really dont need the extra horsepower and bells and whistles. Im lookin at the 2.5i. Safety is a huge issue for me. Crash test results are out for Subaru Liberty, which is Legacy in Australia. Their crash test is close to the DOT crash tests here in The U.S. The Liberty scored the best results of any car ever tested in Australia. Wow. I think Im sold. Here is the link to the results.

    Another great Subaru site is the subenet site at
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407
    Anybody found EPA mileage numbers yet?
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    Wheelbase: 105.1 (was 104.3 for 00-04 model)
    Overall Length 188.7 (was 187.4 for 00-04 model)
    Width: 68.1
    Height: 58.1
    Headroom front/rear: 40.5/39.1
    Headroom front/rear w/ sunroof: 38.7/37.1
    Legroom front/rear: 44.1/33.9
    EPA Interior volume 97.4cf
    EPA Cargo volume 34.3cf
    Track: front/rear 58.9/58.7
    Wheelbase: 105.1
    Overall Length 18.2
    Width: 68.1
    Height: 56.1
    Headroom front/rear: 39.5/36.5
    Headroom front/rear w/ sunroof: 37.5/36.5
    Legroom front/rear: 44.1/33.9
    EPA Interior volume 93.1cf
    EPA Cargo volume 11.4cf
    Track: front/rear 58.9/58.7

    By the way... you're welcome guys ;-)

    Here's the full chart I forgot to post....
  • WMartonWMarton Posts: 58
    I don't know Bob. I bought a fully-loaded 2001 Outback VDC for $29k. The 2005 will cost $2k (invoice) more. Yes, it will have a 5-speed transmission, better tuned engine (VVT), and nicer interior, but it will also lack the McIntosh audio system. So I think that the prices are high by about $1,000 for what you get. I also don't understand Subaru's strategy re. the VDC. It MAYBE made sense to have it as a separate model the last generation, but it didn't sell well. Now there is even less of a distinction between it and the LL Bean. I don't understand why Subaru isn't putting VDC into more of their cars, e.g., the LL Bean and XT as an option.

    The problem that I see for Subaru is that they have caught up to the likes of VW, but the consumer will pay a pretty penny for that privilege. The Passat is also set to be re-designed in the next year or so, so it may surge ahead again, especially if VW makes it significantly bigger than an Outback.

  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784
    I'll have to see in person what the major differences are. I'm at the stage that I want a little luxury, with power. That sounds like the LTD to me- I figure I'm worth it. especially as I will try to keep this one for more than 3-4 years. (Unless Subaru comes out with something totally new in 5 years or so.)

  • jwatsjwats Posts: 72
    I talked to my dealer about a deal on a new GT limited Legacy wagon--$7600 for my '99 GT Wagon--Edmonds and NADA trade in value--and $1500 off MSPR. It is coming in two weeks in exactly the color I would pick. My fear is that when the car is publicized in June magazines it could get great press and allow dealers to get MSRP or better.

    I don't really care about saving the last couple of hundred $ if it takes a lot of time and effort. This seems like a reasonable deal to me. And a good one if allocations get tight.

    What is the wisdom of the group?

    Do you think I could do appreciably better?


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