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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
These outdated, ugly cars better be replaced in 2005. The rear leg room is laughable. I hope the next Outback is more luxurious. I wonder what these will be like.
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  • intrigue2intrigue2 Posts: 46
    Well, I've driven a 2000 GT Legacy since october 1999, and don't consider it outdated or ugly.

    http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/05legacy.htm
    Take a look at the 2005. I's bigger,more powerful and more refined then the present car, and Subaru also sports a reliability rating that leaves the Volvo V70 in the dust.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    I LOVE THE VOLVO V70!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, I meant by today's standards the Legacy/Outback are outdated and in my opinon it is ugly. Thanks for the link. It was very informative.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,699
    http://www.subdriven.com/features/04_legacy/04_legacy.html

    Click on gallery link for mucho pixs. Keep in mind that these are Japanese-spec models, not US-spec models.

    Bob
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    thanks for the link
  • intrigue2intrigue2 Posts: 46
    came close to leasing an S60 AWD sedan. but after taking a look at consumers reports reliability ratings,there was no comparison with respect to the Subaru and Volvo. The Volvo is on their list of used cars to avoid,and every Subaru is on there list of used cars to buy. Looks aside, which i don't find ugly, the GT has been a joy to drive ,especially in snow,and super reliable, at 60,000 miles only brakes and tires. it's also nice to pass a $60,000 Lexus spinning its wheels when my sube glides by effortlessly. The Volvo is an attractive car, lov its safety recor,but reliability seems to be its weak point.Anyway, will be getting the new GT at the end of the year.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    It is a great sedan. Don't pay attention to Consumer Reports because I have looked at discussions about Volvos (and others) that have a 100% happiness record with the owners. For example, the Dodge Ram has totally happy owners and Consumer Reports did everything but admit they were paid by Ford, GM, and Toyota to do so. A very similar situation occured in the Volvo S60, V70, and S80 reviews. Even Consumer admits the Volvo V70/S60 have average reliability in its 2003 Car Buying Guide. Volvo has great dealerships anyway, so u will almost enjoy taking your car in if u have to, LOL.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    The new Legacy looks great! Very sporty and very European. The rear looks like a more aggressive version of my mom's Audi A4; I love those dual exhausts (will the regular 2.5 have these?). The gauges are sweet looking too. I must admit, Subaru did an excellent job redesigning this car. They may have their first mainstream hit with this car and I may actually look into a Subaru for the first time.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,699
    Subaru has very high owner loyalty. Most Subaru owners that I know, are repeat buyers. Feel free to join us here at the Edmunds Subaru Crew forums. :)

    Bob
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    I too, wouldn't consider a current Subaru. I don't like the styling of ONE of their current vehicles. I don't like the Impreza wagon and sedan, Legacy and Outback wagons and sedans, Forester, or Baja. I think my favorites of the current Subarus as far as styling are the Legacy and Outback sedans. They are nicely enough styled but of course are in the most competitive class of the whole Subaru lineup and so are the slowest selling Subarus. For the record, the Baja is the worst styled Subaru ever. What was Subaru thinking of when they designed those BLAND and plain UGLY taillamps. Good riddance! They look like they're from the '80s.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,699
    I'd buy any new Subaru. They're great cars.

    Bob
  • intrigue2intrigue2 Posts: 46
    I've been driving a Legacy Gt since October 1999, have 60,000 miles on the car, and it hasn't presented one problem. This is my first Japanese car,and my first Subaru,and it has proven to be rock solid,reliable and drives like it's glued to the road in snow. As for the looks, I find it to be attractive, and would even compare it to the V70, but only in the looks department,as the V70 can't approach theGT's reliablilty record. Perhaps Volvo dealers are great guys and some would welcome frequent trips to the service bay, as for me I'll forgoe the free donuts, and just keep on driving LOL. And I'm getting the 2005 when it comes out,sold on Subaru, after only one car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You like the Outback sedan, and find the Axiom magnificent (in your profile)? It's cool, we're all entitled to an opinion, but both of those are sales duds. Subaru sold both of the Outback sedans they produced this year (LOL), and the Axiom bombed so badly they may take Isuzu down for the count entirely.

    They may not stand out but the current lineup isn't exactly ugly (perhaps Baja is an exception), and they've always been about substance over style anyway.

    Any how, Subaru has done well, since 1995 sales have almost doubled, imagine now if they start selling cars that are also attractive, like the new Legacy. It can't hurt.

    -juice
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    I'm just saying they're the best-styled Subarus which IMO isn't saying much.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Gotcha now.

    Sales seem to indicate the public prefers Subaru's wagons, by far.

    Any how, they've hired Andreas Zapatinas away from Alfa, and he formerly worked at BMW, at a time when BMW had its best designs (pre-Chris Bangle Uglification).

    Since then, the B11S concept drew plenty of attention and the Legacy is the only design he's overseen. So it's looking good, in more ways than one!

    -juice
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    You don't seem to like the way the Subaru Legacy's look but you like the Volvo. Hmmm? Interesting eye you have, but to each his own. IMHO Audi or Saab (Aero owner) have the best looking sport wagons, but I like the Subaru (Legacy GT owner).

    I think the new Legacy is going to be an awesome car, it should be compared to the Audi, BMW, Saab, Volvo, MB, etc. Subaru doesn't have any cache, but they have always been competent performers. Now with upgraded interiors they should more highly regarded. Subaru is the poor/wise(wo)mans Euro wagon. 3/4 of the performance for less than 1/2 the price. Now they will be = the performance + for 1/3 the price. They make the Euros better work harder; where do you think this AWD, sport wagon craze revived from? Subaru!!!
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    BMWs look better after Chris Bangle IMO. I didn't like former BMWs. AND I love ALL current Volvos except S40, V40, and C70.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    See how opinions vary? IMO Bangle has almost ruined BMW, the designs at least. They all seem to be getting hunch-backed. The new 7 is getting an emergency face-lift, too.

    The new 5's front end looks like Dame Edna's glasses. Hideous. The 6's spy shots look worse than the 7.

    It's almost pointless to debate it, styling is subjective. So if you like 'em, great.

    To come back on topic, reaction to the new Legacy has been generally very positive.

    -juice
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    o.k. what do u mean by THAT? IMO Bangle has beautified formerly ugly BMWs. The new 5, 6, and X3 series are BEAUTIFUL and the 7 Series isn't bad.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,907
    Folks, let's get back on track talking about the Legacy & Outback. If you generally don't like Subarus, you're probably in the wrong topic and need to move on. This topic is for people to exchange information on the upcoming Legacy redesign.

    Although I've never owned a Subaru, almost every owner I've met is extremely satisfied and would buy another one. Carry on.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    So, how do you guys like the styling on the new Legacy?

    So far reactions have been very positive. In the Subaru Crew - Future Models thread, I only heard one slightly negative response, and more than a dozen positive.

    I really like it. It's a little derivative of Acura, Audi A4, and the Mazda 6, but they seemed to merge the best of those designs into one well integrated package.

    It'll be on my list for my next car, for sure.

    -juice
  • blackbeanblackbean Posts: 100
    I like the new Legacy. I wonder how much will carry forward to the Outback models. Any photos of those around?
  • intrigue2intrigue2 Posts: 46
    I'm ordering mine at the end of the year,the new GT, Subaru is the best car I've ever owned.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,699
    Yeah there's a partially masked spy shot floating around on the Internet.

    Brenda Priddy & Co. shot it. Try checking her web site.

    Bob
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    Thanks for the link. Thank goodness it looks very different than the new Legacy.
  • buddhabmanbuddhabman Posts: 252
    I got blasted by mentioning Subdriven becuase it has a forum, even though it is weak. But check out
    Subdriven.com for more Legacy pics. Also cayspyshots.com has Legacy pics. It's a nice upgrade, a little derivative of the Audi from the rear, maybe a little Accordish from the front. But I think Honda stole that look from Subaru. : ) The Legacy is just a great underated car, it should see more appreciation soon.
  • jlemolejlemole Posts: 345
    I really like the looks of the new wagon. I've not been a real fan of the current legacy wagons (preferring the Outback), but the 05 really has an elegant, but sporty, look to it. I would definitely consider it over a new Outback for something a little more refined.

    The new interior stylings look really sweet too.

    Jon
  • subewannabesubewannabe Posts: 403
    both look like great strides forward to capture the euro wagon look from the saab/audi/bmw stables, with a bit of honda/mazda thrown in. IMHO,the improvement is so significant that I may try to nurse my old junker through the winter, or at least until SoA announces prices, and hold off buying that Forester XT I am sitting on my check book for ( until my subaru VIP certificate matures). I get pretty excited about XT-like performance from the Legacy turbo wagon with a "skoash more room in the seat and thighs", as Walt Garrett used to say in the Lee jeans commercials.
       I am dreading the possibility that Subaru will introduce both the Legacy GT turbo and the new generation Outback at BMW/Audi prices...if I wanted burled walnut, Id buy an end table, not an AWD grocery/kid/dog hauler!
    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Outback looks good too. The cladding is sort of Volvo XC-ish now, not just painted on. But it's blended well and body color. The XC uses blue or even brown colored cladding, which to me looks odd.

    -juice
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