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Lexus GS 300/GS 430



  • adb3adb3 Posts: 112
    Dude, based on your earlier posts I never thought you would end up where you did. LOL! Congrats and many happy miles with your new 430. I hope you will be as pleased with yours as I am with mine.
  • azbuyerazbuyer Posts: 11
    Done Deal!

    After Driving the M45 one final time and then the 430 on the same test loop, highway, normal bumpy streets, off road track, [just kidding].....drum role please..........................I went with the 430-Flint / Black. Both cars are nice but the G is truly the ultimate ride. The ML kicks A** by the way. I never really listened to it previously because I don't buy cars for the sound system but hats off to the ML design team! Decided on factory 5-spoke wheels chromed as it really sets off the chrome accents already on the car, AZ legal tint in front with limo back and rear. XM installed by dealer and Signiture audio doing a custom antenna to be located on rear deck as shown in previous threads. Pick it up tomorrow at 4:00. Thats 18 hours 58 minutes and counting
  • deaniedeanie Posts: 172
    Did you drive the Avalon Touring model? It has firmer "sport-tuned" suspension than the Limited or XLS you probably drove. Though the Touring lacks the luxo-features of the XLS or Limited, Touring's suspension parts (springs/struts) can be swapped into an XLS or Limited by Toyota for less than two grand, and then you'd have a much better handling Avalon that'd still be nearly 10 grand less than the GS 300. That price difference, the GS's tiny trunk and its underpowered engine (Nissan Atimas and other cars costing 1/2 the GS's price have as much or more power) steered me into an Avalon XLS.

    As a nod to the GS, I gave up a nicer looking car, a few options, a interior and better warranty/customer service, but saved $10K in the process. The interest on that money will pay for the referenced suspension swap in a few years, and will grow substantially before I sell the car in 10yrs. I guess If my pockets were deeper or my priorities different, I'd be singing a different tune about the GS - but that's what makes horse racing.
    P.S. It seems Toyota left out real wood as an option for any Avalon, and made the Touring model unavailable with Vehicle stability control or more luxo items, to intentionally handicap Avalons and protect the GS 300. Just a thought.
  • tinypoemtinypoem Posts: 26

    No special wheeling and dealing at all. I just dealt with internet dept's at both dealerships. When Glendale knew I was shopping at Longo they just guaranteed they would beat their price. They also knew that at the time, Longo woulnt go below 3K off MSRP so they just sweetened the pot to get me to buy from them when they knew I was gonig to get the car from someone. The beat longo by another $500 and threw in a cargo net and a year of oil changes. The Glendale Lexus crew really turned out to be class act vs the Longo staff so I was happy to buy from them in the end. I read your follow up post as well. Did you come home with a new GS?
  • osxaddictosxaddict Posts: 14

    To each their own.. Personally, I've been burned by Nissan too many times to look at any of their products anymore.. Regardless, I'm not too enamoured of their M series vehicle and while you may believe the GS300 is underpowered, it's just fine for me.. I'm moving from a 1996 Chevy C2500 Pickup truck to the GS300 and it's quite powerful enough.. Afterall, I'm not going to be towing a 7000lb trailer with it like I do with the P/U. Also -- the GS300 will get much better milage than my P/U does (about 8-10 in the city), so I figure I'm saving some gas $$ on this switch (no, I'm not getting rid of the P/U -- it will still be put to work on the weekends) and getting a much more sexy vehicle in the process.. Anyway, YMMV..
  • osxaddictosxaddict Posts: 14

    I put in a quote with Longo as I mentioned earlier and got a call back within an hour or so from one of their sales guys. Anyway, I ended up getting the 2006 GS300 RWD ML+Navi in Cypress Pearl (aka Green) for $3K under MSRP... We ended up throwing in a little extra for the Simonize treatment for the inside/outside that gives us coverage for something like 6 years if I recall. Anyway, the sales guy (who was great to work with by the way) plopped me down in the car and walked me through a variety of NAVI and other options on the car to get the gist of how some of the features work.. That NAVI is 1000% better than the Navi in my 2001 Honda Odyssey.. It is SOOOO much faster, has tons more features, etc.. Blew me away!

    Anyway, the vehicle will be ready for P/U on Wednesday morning after they spend tomorrow putting on the Simonize treatment and fixing one minor itty bitty 1/8" long hairline scratch on the gas door. Now, I think I'll have to get some dark colored carpet samples to put on the front floors to keep the tan carpets from getting filthy in no time soon... :blush:

    I've got a few questions for you regarding service (hopefully not too off-topic -- I'll keep it short and to the point, feel free to ping me privately if you wish).. The sales guy was claiming that if I ever need routine maintenance, Longo will send out a flatbed truck, drop off a loaner vehicle, and pickup my car, take it to their shop to fix it, and then return it and do the swap again.. He claimed that this was a Longo exclusive feature only for people that buy from them.. Did you get any claim like that from Glendale? Being a new Lexus owner, I find this all rather amusing.. They even have a mobile crew that can come over and change my oil at my office without me having to go anywhere.. Slicker than snot if you ask me.. Unfortunately, I believe I only get the first oil change free, not like your first year.. Now I just need to get my $500 back from Glendale..

    -- Rick
  • howardg1howardg1 Posts: 14
    After about 3 months of shopping and comparing, last week I purchased my first Lexus, a silver/black GS-300 AWD. Absolutely love it. Tested the Acura TL and RL, the Avalon and the Infiniti G and M, but clearly like the GS for its overall quality and fit and finish. Waited for the local (DC/MD) dealers to be willing to negotiate, and ended up falling into a pretty good deal with $3,400 off the MSRP on a non-Nav GS. Everyone on their waiting list for silver wanted the Nav.

    Have a question for any GS owners regarding the illumination lighting system. When I approach the car with the electronic key the outside puddle lights and the inside lights come on if the door is locked. However, if the door is unlocked when I approach the car, the light do not come on until I physically open the door. My reading of the owners manual I cannot find any reference to the doors needing to be locked for the illuminations system to automatically work.
    Anyone know, is this the way its supposed to work? Thanks, for any help: GREAT CAR! :confuse:
  • howardg1
    congrats on the new car. and it sounds like you got an excellent deal, as well. can you tell us with DC/MD dealership you shopped at. I have been working with a VA dealer, but it's always nice to have options.
  • carnagcarnag Posts: 42
    Does any one know the residual and money factor for the '06 GS300?

    I'm looking at 3yr/30k or 36k. If it is anywhere close to the '05 BMW 530 I'm going with the GS!!
  • pmvipmvi Posts: 63
    So it looks like some folks are starting to get reasonable deals on the 300's here in SoCal. Does anyone know whether the dealers are as willing to deal on 430's?

    By the way, my neighbor bought their 2 Lexuses (Lexi?) from Longo. Even though we don't live close to there, Longo does indeed come out to their house to perform service.

    One other question: I have seen posts indicating Lexus will be upping the size of their v8 to 4.6 liters (which makes sense if the upcoming 3.5 v6 can produce as much power as the existing v8). If this is the case, does anyone know when this would happen, and how much additional power the 4.6 should provide?
  • howardg1howardg1 Posts: 14
    Dear BMW driver: thanks. Anything I can do to help, just ask.

    Regarding my purchase of a GS 300 AWD in the metropolitan DC area, I tried dealing with all the MD and Northern VA dealers, and ended up falling into the $3,000+ off MSRP deal with Lexus of Rockville.

    My experience with both of the VA Lexus dealers was that they had very limited stock and were sticking pretty much to the MSRP give or take $500 line. If you need an offer to motivate them, try Sheehy Lexus in Annapolis. I contacted them via the Net, and they were offering about $2,500 off MSRP via e-mail. (Annapolis was also extremely helpful and accommodating, and I wouldn't hesitate to purchase from them.) Having that e-mail in hand certainly helped in negotiations on the one I purchased.
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Posts: 292
    I've been looking for a new car for a while, and took a test drive of the GS300 AWD yesterday, so I thought I'd post my thoughts.

    Overall, it is a very nice looking car inside and out. It looks a bit different (in a good way) compared to the pictures on the Web site and those for sale on E-Bay, esp. the interior and trunk. A few people here have been bashing the trunk for being too small (and it seems that way in the pictures), but I think it is OK (not great, just OK). I golf a lot, and I can't buy a car that can't fit clubs, so I brought mine along for a test fit. They fit in no problem width-wise, and they almost fit in length wise (with the heads of the clubs pointing to the front of the car). I have an average sized set of clubs, and I have four King Cobra metal woods (and my driver is pretty long). All fit without any problem at all. I think even those big Rodney Dangerfield bags (from Caddyshack, if you remember that far back) would fit OK. I was Very Pleased.

    The seats are very comfortable, and most controls are placed where you would want them to be. The only thing I didn't like was that little tricorder (a la Star Trek) flip down panel left of the steering wheel. It's not a major problem, just a little annoyance.

    Someone here said that when you start the car with the doors closed, you can't hear the engine; that wasn't my experience. The engine isn't loud - but you can certainly tell it is running. While driving, the engine seemed to be a bit "whiney" - a little high-pitched instead of a BMW like "growl", but I guess that is typical of most Japanese engines. I'm not saying this as a negative - just an observation.

    I've read a few posts here about the acceleration of the 300 model being a little (or a lot) less than what people would like, but it was more than fine for me. Leaving it in "regular" mode (non sport) was more than acceptable, and I didn't notice any lag when slowing down (as if coming to a red light) and then accelerating (as if the light just turned green). Putting it in sport mode gave it an even better kick. For me, at least, any thoughts of acceleration problems are a thing of the past with the GS300.

    The interior room (headroom and shoulder room) was good. I'm 5'10", and I had plenty of space above and on the sides. My father (riding shotgun) is 6'3", and he said that he had enough space as well and was quite comfortable.

    One issue that I wasn't expecting was the ride quality over bumps. I've driven the Audi A4 and BMW 330xi, and they both absorb bumps quite well. There is a road near my fathers house that is kind of a beat-up back road, with many pot holes and missing chunks of pavement – it makes for a good test drive. Taking the A4 and 330xi down this road, I noticed that they both performed so well you could probably do surgery while driving with no problem. I wasn't able to take the GS down that road (the Lexus dealer is quite a ways away from my father's house), but I plan to during an extended test drive on another day. However, based on how the GS performed on "regular" roads with a few bumps on them, I'm not expecting the same performance.

    The AWD model has run flat tires - could that perhaps result in a harsher ride? I'll admit that I don't know much about tires, but aren't the run flats stiffer? I'd think that would result in feeling the bumps more than "traditional" tires. Also, the model I drove was a Lexus executive’s car that had 7000 miles on it - maybe s/he beat the crap out of it? I don't know. But, I'll make sure I get a different car for my next test drive (in a few weeks). Everything else on the car is so good, I may be willing to throw a new set of traditional tires on it if that will fix the problem.

    The model I drove had the Nav system in it. I didn't use it very much, but compared to the Nav system in my father's Audi A8, I thought the screen seemed a little fuzzy and harder to read. I don't plan to get the Nav system anyway, so it wasn't a problem for me, but you may want to take a close look at it before plunking down the $$$$.

    Overall, I like the car a lot. Other than the ride quality over bumps, everything on the car is perfect. I hope that in a future test drive, I like the ride as much as I did in the (less expensive) Audi A4 and BMW 330xi.

    -Ben K.
  • tinypoemtinypoem Posts: 26
    Congrats on the new purchase! The service is not exclusive to Longo. I thought it was too at first. Glendale Lexus also offers the same flatbed and mobile oil change service that Longo offers. The even offered to come out to my house to install the cargo net. Both do so within a 60 mile range of the dealerships. They also both have a huge fleet of loaners if you decide to go in. I took my car in last week for them to install the cargo net and they gave me an RX330 with Nav to play with for the day.
  • osxaddictosxaddict Posts: 14
    In talking with the sales guy down at Longo, I noticed that he had two of the RX400h's down in their underground "lot" and I got him to talk about those -- he said that they've got all of them already sold for the next 16 months.. Talk about crazy! Anyway, I can hardly wait to get mine tomorrow from the dealer.
  • fittogofittogo Posts: 2
    I'm getting ready (really ready) to purchase the same vehicle with the ML/nav etc. in the DC/MD area. Would you mind telling me the name of the dealership you bought from? I'd like to get the same deal. Am dealing with a salesman via e-mail so far. Many thanks.
  • howardg1howardg1 Posts: 14
    fittogo: check my message above #1230. That should provide all the info you need on who I purchased from, but I did literally stumble onto a deal in Rockville. If that had not happened, the best offer I had was from Lexus of Annapolis for about $2,500 off. They were very easy to work with, and most helpful. If you can get them to give you the price via e-mail, which they did with me, you can then use that as "leverage" with whatever dealer has one in stock you like.

    Let me know how it goes, or if you need other info. I dealt with literally all the MD and NVA dealers trying to get the car I wanted at a "fair" price.
  • florida1florida1 Posts: 42
    I leased a 430 yesterday for $1900 off msrp (final price $51400.000) and a rather attractive residual $29,970--which made for a relatively good monthly payment----they put the lease together through US Bank---because the have a lease plan that trumps even Lexus Finance by a long way---

    US Bank $700.00 (w/o tax) per month 39mos
    Lexus FI $773.00 (w/o tax) per month 39mos No cap buy down on either

    Love the car---They sure look good when they are away from the dealer lot and so many others---very sleek / incredible color options (wanted an A6 but had to admit that although they are nice ---they are simply out classed by the GS)---
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Posts: 292
    Does anyone know if you could put regular all season tires on the GS300 AWD? If so, I'd love to swap the stock run flats with all seasons to get a better ride, but I don't know if that's even possible; maybe the GS300 requires them.

    In case you can't tell, I don't know much about tires. ;)
  • dmcmahondmcmahon Posts: 26
    You can definitely hear the engine when you start the car cold. It makes a purring sound, which you can also hear under heavy accelleration. After it's warmed up, it's hard to hear it at all when stopped at a light with the stereo off. A very very quiet interior.

    Re. your 6'3" dad, yeah, the passenger seat has a bit more room than the driver's - I think it's a bit lower to the floor. Plus, since the passenger doesn't need to reach the steering wheel, the seat can be reclined to get additional headroom. Have your dad sit in the driver's seat in a position where he can operate the wheel and pedals, and I think you'll see the headroom problem.

    I find the ride quality over bumps to be very luxurious; it should be a plus for this car versus "sportier" competitors. I would bet the run-flats are responsible for some of the harshness you're feeling.

    Re. the golf club test, interesting. Still, only one set of clubs width-wise. I assume they fit lengthwise if you angle them a bit? Could you get another set in that way? What about suitcases, do you think you could get two full-sized suitcases in? If so, how, stacked one on the other? Note that some space near the top of the trunk is lost to (I think) the mechanism for the rear sunshade - it's easy to miss in the darkness back there.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692

    I drove an Avalon XLS, and before I even got it out of the dealer's driveway, I knew it wasn't for me. A lot of body roll, typical "American" sedan. I would have considered the Touring model, but I find it incomprehensible that it doesn't have stability and traction control. Don't understand that, especially since those features are available on all the Camrys, I believe, and maybe even Corollas. I imagine they will add that on the '06s. I don't think it was omitted for any reason related to the GS, because the two cars appeal to very different buyers.

    I would hesitate to begin switching suspensions as you mentioned. Sounds like real possible trouble to me, plus the possibility of voiding the warranty, etc. True, 10,000 bucks is a lot of money, but there really is a world of difference between the Avalon and the GS. I love the power of the Avalon engine, though, and when they put that engine into the GS, it will be unbeatable.
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