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  • iwangs04iwangs04 Posts: 22
    Lexus Owners,
    I have a decision to make and would like to get a survey from your personal opinion.
    I am stumbling on 2 cars to buy, Lexus GS vs Infinity M series. I personally love the Lexus’ quality, reliability and style more than Infiniti, but the Infiniti is not far off from those regards. As for the price, I have problem with the Lexus. GS price is seemed higher than the M, where M price can be negotiable better & GS is pretty firmed. As far as the performance, the M is a winner which has more power than the GS. Even James Healey (car Test Drive on Usatoday.com) agrees that the M is better and more satisfactory.
    So from what I see, Infiniti is the bang for the buck. What are your reasons for buying the GS over the M?
    All comments are most welcome
    TIA
    WantmyGS
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    Its the markup - I too am shopping the GS300 vs. the M35. The GS300 has an ~$8000 markup vs. the Infiniti's of $4000. Thats amazing.

    Lexus GS300 w/ ML Nav Package, Moonroof, Rain-Sensing Wipers, Parking Assist, Ventilated Seats, Spoiler, Power Rear SunShade = MSRP of $50,215 and Invoice of $42,542 (thats how Nav is packaged in Houston).

    Infiniti M35 w/ Journey, Nav, and Full Size Spare = MSRP of $45,740 and Invoice of $41,795. (these are the options I want).

    I am well aware of Lexus' reputation for customer service (enough folks on this board have touted it); but I suppose for double the markup over Infiniti the customer service SHOULD be better - your paying for it.
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Posts: 292
    I'm not a Lexus owner, but I'm in the same boat as you (with the addition of the BMW 530xi into the mix as well).

    In my opinion, the M35X feels bigger inside, and feels more solid (not that the Lexus feels shoddy by any means). However, the Infiniti is a five speed whereas the Lexus is a six speed. The engine noise in the Infiniti bothers me a bit - at 70 MPH it is as 3000 RPMs, where most cars are around 2000 or 2500. I haven't decided yet if it bothers me enough to cross the M off my list, though.

    The GS has run-flat tires, which (to me) makes the ride harsher. Sure, I could replace them with regular all seasons once the run-flats wear out (which will be quick since they will only last 15K or 20K miles), but it is still an issue. The GS feels a little smaller inside, and in my opinion the M has a better interior. The GS does have a touch screen, though, which is very nice. It also has auto-lock doors and rain sensing wipers. Sure, those aren't Big Deals, but they do get added to the GS "pro" list and Infiniti's "con" list.

    The GS is more expensive - no doubt about it - but based on the last line in your post, it seems you want to be talked into the GS and have valid reasons instead of just "WantmyGS". Makes sense, but look at it this way: picture yourself five years from now in the Infiniti, driving down the highway, and you see a GS. How would you feel? Do the same in reverse (the thinking, not the driving). How would you feel? I think that will give you the answer you want.

    Also, you should test drive one, then IMMEDIATLY test drive the other. Later that night, see which one you think about more.

    Problem solved. :)
  • Same here fellows- I went to infiniti first- test drove the M35, way too loud, 5 speed auto not 6, not enough luxury feel to it, thought the back lights were not attractive. Next stops were lexus and BMW. After testdriving the gs300 I didnt need to go to BMW, I was sold- and I got my black GS300 the following week (2K off msrp and trade in of my accord V6 2003 for wholesale price) and love it ever since. The ride is just to die for, like sitting on a feather blanket cruising on the highway at 75mph and the car looks absolutely killer- it's just so sexy, so un-boxy like the M, i'm in love with this car. Oh did I mention 30mpg?

    You get what you pay for friends, there is indeed a reason for the larger markup- and it works both ways- when you go trade in your M35 and your GS, you'll get paid for the markup believe me...

    JP
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    Not sure who an above post was talking to; but I am absolutely NOT wanting someone to talk me into buying anything. The GS, M, and RL are on my short list primarily due to budget; with the M first and the GS and RL following. If it were not for the noise questions the M would be the ONLY car on my list. I readily acknowledge (many do not) that there is no such thing as a perfect vehicle - all vehicles purchases are a compromise between the buyers needs, wants, and budget. No one needs a Luxury vehicle although many want one and some can afford one. Actually if cost were no object none of these three cars would even be a consideration :surprise: ;)

    Alas money is an object and the Lexus premium may or may not be worth it. I absolutely do not want to ride on a "feather blanket" however I do desire a quiet ride. Both the GS and the M are sexy curvacious vehicles w/o a hint of boxiness to them (looks like the same designer had a hand in them both). Resale value has not been proven for either yet, however residuals are very strong for the M and I suspect that it will do very well.

    In virtually ALL comparison tests the M has won over both the GS and the RL so that it cannot be said that the M is not a worthy competitor to the GS. The intent of my original post was to solicit some insight into why there is such a high Premium on the Lexus. Both cars are excellent, both are well built and reliable, so should I pay a Premium for one over the other?

    Put it another way; since a Premium is absolutely NOT justified on the vehicle mechanics alone (as evidenced by virtually all reviews) is Lexus "name" and "customer service" worth the Premium (which is undeniably why it is there)? This is a serious question; is the Lexus name and service ALONE worth a $4000 Premium? :confuse: You may get what you pay for, but is it worth it?
  • In virtually ALL comparison tests the M has won over both the GS

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    Most of the "tests" primarily care about from reading the reviews is horespower, handling, performance- most of us daily drivers care about luxury, comfort, reliability, resale. Compare the plastic content in an infiniti interior and a lexus. Compare the wood quality too. Again, there is a reason for the Lexus costing more.
  • mfprmfpr Posts: 41
    Only you can answer your own question as to whether the Lexus name and service are worth a $4000 premium. Infiniti has a very good reputation for customer service, so I suspect there is probably little difference between the two. The only benefit to a customer in the Lexus name is probably resale value. Up to now, Lexus has enjoyed better resale values than comparable Infiniti's. With the G & M Series Infiniti's, that could change in the future. Either car will cost you more now than if you wait 6 months or so until the newness wears off. The GS probably has more standard equipment than the M and gets much better fuel economy, based on owners' reports. But the bottom line is get what you like best. I suspect the total cost of ownership (maintenance, fuel, resale, etc.) will cost you about the same.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    ... most of us daily drivers care about luxury, comfort, reliability, resale. Compare the plastic content in an infiniti interior and a lexus. Compare the wood quality too. Again, there is a reason for the Lexus costing more.

    Sounds like its pretty subjective then. Again resale is an unknown in new models. I've sat in and driven both and I see no obvious quality differences. Do you have a link that quantifies a supposed plastic content difference? Is there a link that

    I would love some credible hard evidence of superior interior parts to the tune of $4000 between these cars; from what I can gather from reviews, test drives, forums, etc - the only "substantial" differences are personal subjective preferences. And that is OK! Anyone buying a $40K+ car needs to prefer it over others.

    But what I'm trying to get a grip on are objective differences to justify the Premium cost - and I can not do so.

    PS: I really like them both (in different ways), but cost is a very real part of the decision formula and that is what I'm studying now.
  • jo2jo2 Posts: 41
    Hello there,

    I was wondering if anyone knew if or when Lexus would have a factory installed Sirius option available. I hear they have it available for some models but not the 06 GS300. If anyone has any information or any resources please post info...

    Thanks!
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Posts: 292
    Not sure who an above post was talking to

    I wasn't referring to you or your message, which is why my reply had a subject of "Re: [iwangs04]" instead of "Re: [msu79gt82]". As I said in my reply, the last line of his message was "WantmyGS", which is what I was talking about.

    I agree about the noise issue - it's really bumming me out. If not for that I would have already pulled the trigger on an M35X. :(

    I agree also about the Lexus name/customer service adding on the additional $$$. Here's a test I should try: offer Infiniti $4K over sticker, with the condition that they bend over backwards for me. I'll bet they'll agree. ;)
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    I was told that Sirius would be available for the GS some time this summer. Check with your dealer. My wife's choice of satellite radios is the one that DOESN'T have Howard Stern. Can't imagine why she doesn't like him.
  • Just me personally and this sounds kinda lame but to me a Lexus is just overall more prestigeous than an Infiniti, not sure what it is but that's just the way I view it. Just like Honda Accord loaded to me is nicer than a Toyota Camry loaded. Again, I know this sounds lame.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Nothing lame about it. The Lexus brand is perceived by most people out there as more prestigious than Infiniti.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    Just me personally and this sounds kinda lame but to me a Lexus is just overall more prestigeous than an Infiniti, not sure what it is but that's just the way I view it.

    I agree, I have nothing but respect and admiration for Lexus. And that's exactly what I'm pursuing and debating right now. Is the Lexus materially/quantitatively worth a double mark-up over the competition? and IF NOT is the Lexus name/prestige worth such a high premium? We're talking $4000 extra for very comparably equipped cars.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Agree. Until Infiniti can actually sell a Q, they will never be a match for Lexus in terms of prestige. Now that Lexus is pushing the LS into the LWB realm, it further distances them from Infiniti and Acura and moves them another step closer to BMW and Mercedes.

    airlinephoto, I dont quite get the Honda, Toyota thing though. The Accord EX-V6 and Camry XLE are both nice cars, I would consider them on pretty equal footing in that regard. An Altima 3.5SE or Legacy GT on the other hand dont carry as much badge value as the big H or T, but they offer other qualities, much as an Infiniti does to a Lexus.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well the GS is selling very well so people are willing to pay such a premium.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    LPS I know - what does LWB stand for.

    Preparing myself for a "wow, I coulda had a V8 moment" :blush:
  • mfprmfpr Posts: 41
    LWB = Long Wheelbase
  • Q45? I saw it in the showroom when I went in to testdrive the M. I thought to myself, this looks like a big Japanese Buick!

    The QX65 truck on the showroom floor loaded up was nice though.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    Looks are subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, which is exemplified by a disparaging remark about the M's looks and the likiing the QX65's (really the QX56). (LOL)
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