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Lexus GS 300/GS 430

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  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    I was told that Sirius would be available for the GS some time this summer. Check with your dealer. My wife's choice of satellite radios is the one that DOESN'T have Howard Stern. Can't imagine why she doesn't like him.
  • Just me personally and this sounds kinda lame but to me a Lexus is just overall more prestigeous than an Infiniti, not sure what it is but that's just the way I view it. Just like Honda Accord loaded to me is nicer than a Toyota Camry loaded. Again, I know this sounds lame.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Nothing lame about it. The Lexus brand is perceived by most people out there as more prestigious than Infiniti.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    Just me personally and this sounds kinda lame but to me a Lexus is just overall more prestigeous than an Infiniti, not sure what it is but that's just the way I view it.

    I agree, I have nothing but respect and admiration for Lexus. And that's exactly what I'm pursuing and debating right now. Is the Lexus materially/quantitatively worth a double mark-up over the competition? and IF NOT is the Lexus name/prestige worth such a high premium? We're talking $4000 extra for very comparably equipped cars.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Agree. Until Infiniti can actually sell a Q, they will never be a match for Lexus in terms of prestige. Now that Lexus is pushing the LS into the LWB realm, it further distances them from Infiniti and Acura and moves them another step closer to BMW and Mercedes.

    airlinephoto, I dont quite get the Honda, Toyota thing though. The Accord EX-V6 and Camry XLE are both nice cars, I would consider them on pretty equal footing in that regard. An Altima 3.5SE or Legacy GT on the other hand dont carry as much badge value as the big H or T, but they offer other qualities, much as an Infiniti does to a Lexus.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well the GS is selling very well so people are willing to pay such a premium.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    LPS I know - what does LWB stand for.

    Preparing myself for a "wow, I coulda had a V8 moment" :blush:
  • mfprmfpr Posts: 41
    LWB = Long Wheelbase
  • Q45? I saw it in the showroom when I went in to testdrive the M. I thought to myself, this looks like a big Japanese Buick!

    The QX65 truck on the showroom floor loaded up was nice though.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,610
    Looks are subjective and in the eyes of the beholder, which is exemplified by a disparaging remark about the M's looks and the likiing the QX65's (really the QX56). (LOL)
  • You are 100% right, but still, the Q looks like a Japanese LeSabre :)
  • jonesok1jonesok1 Posts: 97
    According to the Sirius OEM rep who emailed me last week, they hope to have a 2006 GS kit available around August 1, 2005.
  • jonesok1jonesok1 Posts: 97
    Only you can decide if it is worth more to pay for a Lexus than an Infiniti. They are both very nice cars. Most of the reviews put more weight on handling or horsepower. Things like comfort, build quality, dealer reputation, and just plain end user satisfaction doesn't seem to enter in to the equation for most of the reviews. Also, many of the reviewers don't like the fact you can't turn off the electronic controls to keep you from flying off the highway in the GS. For me, that's just silly; I'd never turn them off anyway.

    I for one didn't like the M35 (I didn't drive the M45). It looked and felt to me much like the 95 Maxima I used to have both in power and handling (yes, I know, it is a completely different design-but that's what it reminded me of). I particularly didn't like the dash at all (and that alone was enough of a reason to get the GS), and while the interior is nice, the GS seemed overall a nicer design and a bit better interior materials. Driving the M just didn't seem that much different than any other car in everyday city traffic to me.

    In the end, it came down to this: I liked the dealer better than the Infiniti dealer I'd have to deal with; I like the design of the GS better, both inside and out, particularly the fit and finish of the GS, and having owned both Toyota's and Nissans, Toyotas over the years seem to have a slight edge in build quality over Nissan in my experience which means there should be fewer problems later, although there likely wouldn't be that much difference between the two.

    But all of these factors are subjective. There is no way to objectively quantify any of the reasons I picked the GS over the M. While yes, the M is a bit faster, maybe handles curves a bit better, and maybe stops a bit shorter, the GS on a day to day basis is still a pure joy to drive. Both cars are great vehicles, but to objectively quantify the reason to buy one over the other is impossible. In this level of vehicles, it's a completely subjective decision. I'm sure those who buy a M will have their own set of subjective reasons, equally valid as mine used to justify the GS over the M.

    Good luck with your decision. You really can't go wrong either way. The question is, "Do you want a great car made by Nissan, or a great car made by Toyota?" Either way, you get a great car.
  • kennynmdkennynmd Posts: 424
    When will the GS 350 be out? Also, I have been to the dealership a couple of times and I can't find a GS 300 without NAV. I don't wqnt NAV but I want to see hw the radio layout is. Does anyone have any of these pics available or links to these pics available. Thanks
  • kennynmdkennynmd Posts: 424
    I was looking at the specs on a gs300 here on Edmunds and noticed that the rear shoulder room is 54.3 inches. However the rear hip room is 51.4 inches. Does is really slope that much or is it a mistake by Edmunds. The Lexus site doesn't give hip room amount. I want to be able to put 2 child seats in the back as well as a passengr in between.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The GS350 will not be out before the GS460. The GS430 and LS430 hit together in 2001, so I assume it will be the same this time and the GS350 and 460 will debut with the LS460, probably as '07 cars. Interesting question about a non NAV car, I havent seen any either.

    I would suggest taking the seats with you to the dealer and trying to see if it will work or not.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    Only you can decide if it is worth more to pay for a Lexus than an Infiniti. ... But all of these factors are subjective. ... Good luck with your decision. You really can't go wrong either way. The question is, "Do you want a great car made by Nissan, or a great car made by Toyota?" Either way, you get a great car.

    Thanks for your analysis and thoughts. I agree that it is a largely subjective decision regarding which car is the best one for me. But as I posted earlier when I started the cost line of thought is that since money is very much a factor in my decision it is not a question of which is the better car per se; but rather which is the better value.

    BTW: I disagree with your final line - it doesn't matter to me WHO made the car, both are good reliable manufacturers. I am buying a car, not a corporation. The question is which is the better car for the money I'm spending.
  • jonesok1jonesok1 Posts: 97
    Which is the better car for the money depends on what you value more. If you want a car that is a bit faster, stops a bit quicker, and handles maybe a bit firmer and can live with the interior and exterior design, it will be a better value than the GS. If you want more comfort, a bit better interior and exterior design (again, completely subjective) and a quieter, albeit very slightly softer ride, and maybe a slight hedge on build quality, get the GS. They both will get you to your destination. If you compare them side by side, then the M is probably a better value if that is the only element in your decision. Is the GS worth the extra bucks? It was for me, as at this price level, I wanted to buy a car I actually liked a lot, and I liked the GS a lot more than the M.

    There really is not a way to say which is a better buy because these are subjective traits. Objectively an Acura TL or RL is a much better buy for the money, since you can get either at invoice, and they both will get you there in pretty much the same comfort, quality and speed. I think for most people who pick a Lexus GS, value is not a priority. A fully dressed out RL, with all wheel, Navi, and pretty much all the bells and whistles can be had for about $46k, where a fully dressed Non navi rear wheel GS430 will set you back about 50k. If your decision is based soley on value, the RL wins over both the M and the GS for that matter.

    For me, the extra 4k for the GS430 was worth every penny. Of course, after chunking down 50k, I'm doubtful anyone would admit otherwise!
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    I never said that money was the only factor, merely that it is "a" factor - i.e. I do not have the "luxury" (pardon the pun) to make a "money-is-no-object" decision. I am currently driving an '04 fully loaded FX35 - I do not NEED a new sedan, I merely would rather be in a sedan. Having said that however, I will not buy anything unless I like it. I like both the GS and the M, but for different reasons - if I could hybridize them both ... wishful thinking I know :blush:

    So for me its which one I like the best for the money. I'm merely verbalizing my thoughts and listening to feedback. Thanks for helping. :shades:
  • jonesok1jonesok1 Posts: 97
    If it's any help, I actually look forward to getting in my GS. I'm not sure I'd have the same experience in the M. And I find it hard to imagine in two or three years I'll feel very different. Again, this is something that is subjective, but that's where the difference is for me.

    The GS is just a pure pleasure to drive, day in and day out. For overall balance, I think it is superior to the M. But many of the same criteria that is important to others is not important to me, such as trunk space (I'll never use it) or interior dimensions (I'm 5'8"). For others, those may be important factors that would eliminate the GS from the list.

    I'd suggest you drive one, several times, and then drive the other. Don't make any quick decision. Then do it again. Maybe several times. If you subjectively like the GS more than the M, then it is up to you whether it is worth the difference in price between the two. For me it was a no brainer, as I really didn't care for the M's at all, so the hard choice was between a GS300 or a GS430. Is the extra for the V8 worth it? You bet!
  • loucopitsloucopits Posts: 103
    Our local Lexus dealer had at least 2. Sticker (if I remember correctly) was $47,xxx.
  • I live in Charlotte where i've seen a small handful of GS's and M's around town. I've been in NYC 2 days now and I haven't seen even one of each- nothing. My buddy told me back in April when I got my GS that there is a 3 month waiting list in NY and I thought he was full of shale- perhaps he was right? hmmm

    JP
  • ao2ao2 Posts: 44
    Does anyone know how to purposely lock the key in the GS???

    I frequently valet park my car in a lot that closes. Ideally, they would lock the key in the car and I could open the door with the metal piece that seperates.

    The book says if you put the key in the Glove Box, the system won't recognize the key and won't unlock doors - but it does. Anybody have any ideas?

    Thanks
  • ao2ao2 Posts: 44
    I have a Verizon Motorola V710 and it appears that Verizon blocks the ability to send your phone book via Bluetooth.

    Does anyone know a way around this, or a way to enter phone numbers manually into the GS?

    Thanks
  • jonesok1jonesok1 Posts: 97
    It's not Verizon-it's the phone. You must have a phone that has the ability to upload the address book. I have a Motorola RAZR, and even that phone required each number to be downloaded one at a time. Some phones allow complete phone book downloads, and some don't at all. In looking at the Moto710 manual, there is no information about sending the phone book or individual entries via bluetooth. There is no way to enter them directly either, as the GS link loads up separate phone books based on which cell is connected an accordingly, they have to be uploaded from each specific phone. For instance, if another driver has a different phone, the address book displayed will be for that specific phone rather than the other cell phone that a primary driver uses (provided both phone books have been downloaded). At least, that's what Lexus customer service told me.

    Sorry. :cry:
  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    Actually, it is Verizon. They chose to disable (or at least not enable) the OBEX profile which would allow transfers. They did this to protect profits from their Get-It-Now service. I don't think Moto sells the V710 to other carriers. Cingular does not disable the other profiles in other Bluetooth phones, but Verizon coverage and consistency is generally believed to be better (if you read customer satisfaction surveys).
  • ao2ao2 Posts: 44
    VZ Service is better (in my area at least).

    Any ideas of a work around to get the numbers into the LEXUS phonebook???
  • jonesok1jonesok1 Posts: 97
    Change carriers if it is indeed Verizon. There is no other way I know of to upload the phone book, and customer service of Lexus said there is no other way to upload since it has to be tied to a specific phone. You may call Verizon and see if they have any ideas. Maybe they have other phones where the ability to download the phonebook is enabled.
  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    Unfortunately, the V710 is produced for Verizon, so the OBEX profile is not enabled on the phone by Moto. Changing carriers would mean getting a new phone. That is, your Verizon V710 cannot be changed to another CDMA carrier. Forgive me if I am stating the obvious. Verizon has changed the firmware several times to integrate better with Bluetooth in cars. Except for the phonebook transfer and the battery strength indicator (not shown on the M35's console), my V710 has worked flawlessly. Of course, I only need about 15 numbers in my car's phonebook, so manual entry only took about 15 minutes. If you have more, you may be out of luck. However, the M will only store 40 numbers. What does the GS store? If manual entry is like the M35/45, and the car will only hold less than 50 numbers, the transfer will only put you out a little time.

    I would not recommend the phone to anyone who wants to transfer phonebooks, files, photos, music clips, etc. I do not think it is a very good camera, either. But voice quality on the phone is great, and quality through the M's stereo is typical speakerphone quality. If that is all you need (in addition to Bluetooth), I would recommend it if Verizon is your carrier of choice.
  • ao2ao2 Posts: 44
    The quality is very good on the GS with the 710. The problem is that the GS does not let you enter ANY number manually.
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