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Lexus GS 300/GS 430

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  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    You can factory order a Lexus GS any way you want it. Dealers don't want to do this, but it can be done if you find the right dealer. it may take 3 months or even a bit longer, but you can have it equipped as you want it. I asked a local dealer whether I could order the NAV w/o the M.L. and she said fine. Don't know whether that would weaken or strengthen your price negotiations.
  • ot guy,

    Found a similar situation at the Dallas dealers. Bought my GS that "stickered" at $50,360 equipped with the Mark Levinson, etc. In trying to deal with my sales person I was initially confused, too. Their GM's explanation was that for the first few months the GS will be delivered to them in the "packages" you were told about. For special orders it will take 3 months or so to get your car. It appears he was shooting straight inasmuch as that's the only way I've seen any of them equipped. It's kinda' a "loaded" or "unloaded" choice, initiall.

    Incidentally, though, we LOVE the car. Our biggest problems are associated with the fact that it's soooo computerized we're having a hard time grasping everything it'll do! The regular manual is over 600 pages, and then there's the GPS manual that's about 200 more! I've read through the things 3 times now and am STILL struggling. Making a list of questions to get answered when I go back to the dealer for my permanant tags.

    LOL :surprise:
  • tinypoemtinypoem Posts: 26
    Actually, just got better pricing from another LA area dealership for more than $3000 off MSRP. Will probably get it there.
  • statmanstatman Posts: 12
    Can any new GS owners comment on the sound quality of the Bluetooth phone through the car's speakers/mic? Heard there are sound quality issues with the M35.
  • statmanstatman Posts: 12
    Here is a direct link to the internetautoguide review.

    http://internetautoguide.com/reviews/45-int/luxury-cars/lexus/gs300/2006/index.html

    It was very good but a little too long.
  • sacguysacguy Posts: 27
    I have read all the reviews I can find and there is almost unanimous praise for the new Infiniti M over the Lexus GS. What else, besides a comfort level with Lexus service and reliability, caused any recent purchasers to pick the GS over the M??

    Thanks for your input!!
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Tinypoem. We all thought dealers would stick with MRSP for months, especially considering the strong initial sales of the car. Apparently not. Congratulations. What dealer now offered you $3,000 off sticker? Considering the spread between invoice and sticker on this car, dealers can certainly afford that kind of deal.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The GS really appeals to a different buyer. Clements may try to claim its the "5 killa", but its not. Wether thats a bad thing at all depends on what you want out of the car. The Lexus isnt the fastest, it doesnt brake the best, and it doesnt handle the best. If thats what you want, the M has your name all over it. The GS is about perfection, rather than passion, as C&D would say. I think the GS's most direct competition is RL and E. The M is more inline with A6 and 5 series.
  • janeg2janeg2 Posts: 22
    sacguy-

    I haven't bought the GS just yet but I'm closing in on it. After that first look at the GS, I really tried to like the M35 for its better trunk opening and more roomy back seat. I drove it several times in different weather conditions.

    However, I just could not accept the conspicuous noise on acceleration which I think would continue to be annoying, especially coming from the quiet ride I have come to love in my 98 GS. Sure the car has power, but fortunately power does not have to include sounds effects.

    I didn't like the orange dials and glowing buttons, I want all of the functions to be there, but not in such a flashy layout. Also, the dull finish wood trim was just not something I could appreciate.

    I didn't like the feel of the steering wheel. The stitching on the inside edge is raised and rough feeling, even just compared to other leather steering wheels, nor did I like that lump on the left and right side. I can't imagine any value to me in either item in normal driving conditions.

    I didn't like the armrest design which, in order to be under my elbow, would slide right into (or over) a drink in the driver's cup holder - leaving only one usable space. Not to mention the split up the middle center opening - not all that user friendly in its design.

    I had difficulty seeing the nav screen with my sunglasses on, and then there was still considerable glare on the screen such that the salesman kept putting his hand up over the screen to kill the glare so we could read it. (I need to check this on the GS, as well.)

    Subjective though my list may be, and it is the short list, things about a car that are irritating to the senses will diminish the pleasure of driving that car. I know from reading in this forum that there are those who would actually choose the M35 because of, or in spite of, some of the very items that I consider negatives.

    These are both really fine cars. They were obviously designed, however, to please rather different drivers.
  • dmcmahondmcmahon Posts: 26
    I found the pricing very confusing. I was getting
    different information from different dealers and
    on-line sources as to what the "base" configuration
    was and cost. The following inconsistent facts
    turned up:

    1. The base MSRP for the GS300 is $42,900
    2. Dealer invoice is closer to $38,500
    3. There are only two configurations available now
    4. The base configuration includes sunroof, rain-sensing wipers, etc.
    5. The price with sunroof, etc. is around $45,600

    So, the confusion is over what the baseline actually is.
    I requested some quotes on line, most dealers in my
    area (San Francisco) were quoting maybe $1k off the
    $45k base, one dealer quoted me $1k off the $42,900.
    So I ended up with the base model GS300, including
    sunroof, rain-sensing wipers, etc. for $41,900. Probably
    could have gotten it for under $40k if I'd been willing to
    wait (but I needed a car ASAP).

    I love the car. It's as solid as a bank vault, quiet and
    luxurious. Interior appointments are what you'd
    expect from a Lexus. The gauges and controls
    are clear and easy to operate, all classic Lexus;
    there are no cheesy glowing colors. The car is
    a bit too electronically automated for my tastes, I
    sometimes feel like the car's in charge of me rather
    than the other way around (girlfriend's nickname for
    the GS: "carbert"). The V6 purrs when you ask it for
    power, there's no harsh engine or road noise in the
    cabin. Handling is decent for a sedan this size, but not
    outstanding. There seems to be plenty of power for
    real-world driving situations. Gas mileage is impressive
    for a car in this class, which I think is going to matter
    more than most of you probably think in the next
    few years. I'm getting a real-world 20 mpg in mostly
    city driving. The Flint Mica exterior coupled with the ash
    interior is, well, beautiful given the lines of this car.

    I have to echo the negatives re. interior space
    and trunk space. I'm 5'11" and long-waisted,
    and I just barely can fit comfortably into the
    car with the seat down as far as it can go.
    Interestingly I'm not so cramped when seated
    in the passenger seat, and I find there is plenty
    of headroom for a guy my size in the back.
    I think Lexus needs to figure out how to get
    the driver's seat down by another 0.5-1.0 inch.
    The trunk space is severely limited and the
    rear wheel wells intrude into the space in a way
    that makes it difficult to see how you could get
    more than 1 or 2 full-sized suitcases in it. The
    opening also ridiculously cramped, a feature
    sadly shared with many sedans these days.
    I could use a bit less styling and a bit more
    space, though with a rear-drive car you are
    going to sacrifice some space for handling.

    I agree with others who say this car is targetted
    at a different buyer than some of the competitors.
    If I'm typical of other Lexus buyers, then we value
    the luxury appointments, quiet interior, and above
    all reliability, and then we want a decent level
    of performance and handling. If a hybrid version
    of the powertrain had been available, I'd have
    gotten it, so I expect that car to be a strong
    seller when it's available. Toyota's hybrid
    technology is #1.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Good summary of the car's virtues and vices. You paid $41,900 with sunroof, etc?? I don't figure how that's $1,000 off sticker. It's more like $4,000.
  • dmcmahondmcmahon Posts: 26
    That's my point. There seems to be some confusion
    about what the base MSRP actually is. Most dealers
    were quoting $44.5k, $1k off the MSRP that includes
    extra charges for those options. My dealer sold me
    the car for $1k off the "base" price of $42.9k, and
    said the "base" car includes the sunroof, rain-sensing
    wipers, etc. (According to him, the only other config
    was the $50k+ with Mark Levinson, DVD nav, etc.).
    It's possible he just made a mistake, but then he
    wouldn't have sold me a car if he hadn't, and he
    still made a nice profit versus the invoice of $38k+

    http://www.autobytel.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/series_id_int/39299/make_vch/Lexus- /Model_vch/GS
  • txagy1txagy1 Posts: 4
    Is it just me, or does the 9 spoke upgrade wheels on the GS300, not worth the $2700?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    There is a very favorable review in a Car and Driver comparison test of 8 $55,000 sedans. It is the May issue and should be available on newsstands soon. The GS430 did not win, but it clearly earned respect. (I dont want to ruin it for everyone).

    ~alpha
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    An Acrobat version of this review has already been posted a few times. Its out. The GS got 3rd place behind RL and M.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    dmcmahon:

    Your dealer is very bad at arithmetic! The base price of the car is something like 42.9 plus 650 or so destination. The sunroof is $1,000 and the rain sensing wipers, etc. at least $500. Plus all the other misc. options included probably brings it up to 44 or 45, as you say. Check out sticker prices for the car and options on Edmunds, Kelly (kbb.com), ConsumerGuide.com, etc. You got a terrific deal.

    Who is this dealer? Maybe he'll make the same mistake twice!
  • sacguy,

    In an earlier e-mail I explained that we bought the GS because of our past experience with Lexus (this is our 3rd one) and because Infiniti was about $2.5K more expensive to trade than was Lexus . . . and, the vehicles were VERY similarly equipped. I went on to say that although we were concerned that Infiniti's service level(s) might not be as favorable as those we'd experienced from Lexus, had the price to trade been the same, we would have taken a chance and gone with the M. We really liked it a lot. I hasten to add, however, so far we're really pleased with the GS. It's all we've come to expect of a Lexus vehicle. :D
  • statman,

    The BlueTooth system works extremely well in our '06 GS. We chose the Motorola V551 and our service is through Cingular. The quality of the sound, both within the car and on the other end of the call, is excellent. As a matter of fact, it's the best we've experienced since the time we had a phone permanently "installed" in an automobile several years ago . . . before the days of cell phones. We're having none of the issues expressed regarding the BlueTooth in the M's.
  • dmcmahondmcmahon Posts: 26
    I'm posting this to replace an earlier posting that was deleted. Actually my dealer never claimed the price was $1k less than MSRP. I requested some quotes from local dealers using one of the on-line services, and this dealer had the low price of just under $42k. I'm afraid it was me who was confused - I just made an assumption that this was $1k less than the MSRP. I got confused because all dealers I talked to told me there were only 2 configs on the RWD GS300, and I just assumed that the "no nav" config was equivalent to the "base" config as seen on various web sites where I went to look up the dealer invoice on this car.

    Now that I've hopefully quashed any implication that my dealership doesn't know how to crunch the numbers, I think it's OK to post the info: I bought my car at Lexus of Serramonte. The TOS do not allow me to post the salesman's name, but I was treated well, think I got a good deal, and I would definitely recommend both him and the dealership.

    I believe the car includes all of the stuff from the "no nav" package listed in post 1871. It has the sun roof, the rain-sensing wipers, wheel locks, and all the mats. The only item I'm not 100% sure of is the rear sunshade - I have a button for it but I've not actually tried it. As for the "destination charge", all I can say is that I did not have to pay extra for anything resembling it, e.g. no "dealer prep" etc.

    If you're not from the Golden State, please know that in California you have to pay the full sales tax (of 8%) on vehicle purchases. Add $300 for registration fees (based on the vehicle price and therefore a form of property tax) and my out-the-door price on the car was around $45.6k. At least the sales tax is deductable now.
  • adb3adb3 Posts: 112
    I concur. I have the same phone through the same provider and the overall tele/cell phone operation both calling and receiving is excellent. I couldn't be happier.
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