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Mazda MX-Flexa / Mazda5

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  • What do they mean by changing the "calibration" of the engine and transmission? Will this effect performance? If the recall was found because of a three engine fires by people driving at highway speed in 2nd gear, and a tag and heat shield will solve the problem - why mess with the engine and transmission? Just wondering!
  • Because the whole driving in second gear thing is a "cover" story for the real problem. I suspect simply insufficient shielding. I doubt the engine will be toyed with but the tranny should get an autoshift point for going to a higher gear once a certain RPM is sustained in Manual Mode. It already has it for going to a lower gear.
  • bwatersbwaters Posts: 52
    So why is another SAAB story in this Mazda forum?

    Sorry I couldn't help myself. I'm sure I'd be kicked out of the SAAB forums if I used this old pun.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Why, you say . . . rather than locking the steering wheel, the Swede's thought it best to lock the transmission gear selector, hence the unique-to-SAAB location of the ignition switch.

    Well, not exactly. (I know this is off-topic, but I'd like to get the facts straight before we conclude this.) I used to be a huge fan of Saab (before I learned, first-hand, how unreliable they are), and at one time owned a 1980 Saab 900 GLi. In all of Saab's literature way back then -- and they used to put out some huge booklets which I still have, showcasing the technical side of their cars -- Saab was really pressing the safety aspects of its cars. It touted the ignition key location as the result of long hours of study into what happened to people during front-end collisions. Saab claims many drivers suffered injuries to their knees caused by impalement by the ignition key. Therefore Saab decided to place the ignition switch (and key) in an area where it could not harm the driver in an accident.

    From an article on the history of Swedish carmakers' preoccupation with safety at thecarconnection.com:

    Information gleaned from real-life accidents led to such innovations as the Saab Active Head Restraint, Volvo's rear-facing child safety seat, and even Saab's placement of the ignition key in the center console (to prevent driver knee injuries in head-on collisions).

    I thought the switch on the floor was a fun thing to show new passengers, but I thought it was actually a bad idea because, since the keyhole faced upward in the little depression where the parking brake handle resides, it was just asking for trouble from a spilled drink or dirt. I never spilled a drink on mine, but mine did get dusty between car cleanings and I always wondered if that was good for it.

    Meade
  • hkeoghhkeogh Posts: 14
    Mazda promised parts to the dealership by the 27th of October
    and still no parts have been recieved. I am forwarding information
    to a lemon law attorney. We will see how this progresses.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Saw a red one today, top was also red. Looked good on the street. Can't wait to sample one.

    -juice
  • Patience - this car is not a lemon. :)
  • smariasmaria Posts: 279
    Which lemon law attorney? Do you have a link to his/her website that you could post?

    I DO love the Mazda5, but the lemon law may be the only way for me to get out of having to deal with my flooded vehicle (flooded while the dealer had it). So, I'm keeping all options open until I figure things out.
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
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  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    A recent test on Motoring 2005 (on TSN, the Sports Network) pegged the gas mileage for the Mazda5 at 44 mpg! Is anybody getting that? If the 5 is able to better it's Transport Canada rating by over 10 mpg, then that pretty well erases the only major gripe I have with the 5 (well, that and those useless side sills!)
  • I was getting high 30's before the recall... haven't checked it since.
  • skeltonskelton Posts: 13
    Imperial Gallons?
  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    The Motoring info was wrong....it should have been 34 mpg (and yes, that's Imperial gallons). Still, 34 mpg overall, during an auto test involving skidpad testing and a variety of driving/filming is not too shabby, I guess.
  • smariasmaria Posts: 279
    it should have been 34 mpg (and yes, that's Imperial gallons)

    That's roughly 28 U.S. MPG overall...not bad at all! :D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I wonder why the EPA numbers are so low. Usually it's the other way around.

    -juice
  • It has been a long and difficult. Mazda USA, when push came
    to shove did what was right. Three managers from the dealership
    here in Ga were hostile, uncooperative, misleading, and in one
    circumstance paranoid. Due to the business relationship gone sour, I
    will have the vehicle inspected by another Mazda Service Shop to
    ensure all is alright with the vehicle.

    Wish you all better luck and happy trails.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Finally drove one, at the Zoom Zoom Live event in DC on Saturday.

    First off, BOO to Mazda, this event was horrible. Lines were unbelievably long. I had to wait an hour and 15 minutes to take two 33 second laps in a Mazda5. So lame. I almost bailed, but I had already invested so much time to get there all.

    Any how, so I drove an automatic on the timed course, where you have to try to match the target time, 33 seconds for this course. People were getting anywhere from 29.5 or so way up to 40 seconds in the 3, 5, and 6. I chose the 5 because it was the only one I had not driven yet.

    First lap, not pushing too hard, I did a 31.4. Off the line it was a little bit slow, but this thing is FUN to drive and really got around the corners well. I ended up being too fast, without even pushing it too hard.

    They told me my time, and I got to do a 2nd lap. I went around a little quicker, but then slowed down at the end and crawled over the finish line.

    Get this - 22.990! I was off by just one one-hundredth of a second! Still, that was not the closest, as I saw a 29.999 and 30.001.

    Any how, this thing really handles well. It feels light, not only in weight but also in the feel of the controls. I was instantly familiar with it, and could hit each apex just as I wanted to. No way can any other van I've driven match this level of precision and fun, not even close.

    The auto could use more power, but it was no slug.

    Mazda gets a D- for the event, which only had hot dogs, no real food, and water from coolers, not even bottled. :(

    But the Mazda5 gets a solid thumbs up. With a manual tranny I might not have had any complaints at all. :shades:

    -juice
  • wusterwuster Posts: 153
    What time were you there for ZZL?

    When I got there at 10AM, the lines where so long that I gave up trying to drive and played around with the Mazda5 they had on display.

    I really like how easy it was to adjust the seating arrangement. I wish they had one with nav at the show, so I can see how large the screen is.

    Wuster
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    We must've been there at the same time. I got there around 9:45. You were smart to do what you did, I had more fun inside on the simulators and crawling around the cars on display.

    The quick class room lines were about 45 minutes. The one with the golf balls was about 20 minutes, the only tolerable line. I skipped the Miata drive because the line looked 2 hours long. And then another 1:15 waiting for 2 laps in the Mazda5.

    Very lame driving event. I swear, even Chevrolet did better when they intro'd the Malibu.

    They opened it to 18 and up drivers, so I think that's what made it crowded.

    -juice
  • AJAC has selected the M5 as the best new Multipupose vehicle. It beat the Subaru Tribeca and Mercedes B class quite handily.
    See the results here.
    http://www.ajac.ca/english/ccoty/2006/vote_results/multi_purpose.asp?lang=1
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Good for them, not sure about the "quite handily" part, though. B-class was very close, only the Torrent fell way behind.

    -juice
  • lamjplamjp Posts: 18
    If your family enjoyed the Corolla Wagon, then migrating to a Mazda5 is trancedental as you gained from a 2 row seatings to 3 row seatings, slide-recline-split-foldflat rear seats, roll-down window in wide 2 easy sliding rear doors ... all within the same external length. We would complement a new Mazda5 to our driveway now that it has incidentally won the 2006 Best Multi-Purpose Family Vehicle Canadian Award.
    p.s. FYI to the Mazda fans
    :cry: GT trim levels were MazdaSpeed version sold for an additional $1k prior to year 2000.
    I.E. Our 1990 Protege GT includes the upgraded supercharged 16v DOHC larger and robust engine with inter-cooler and suspension used in the sporty MIATA.
    Mazda also kept us educated by providing a 1000 page workshop manual detailing the 1990 Protege GT exotics, no extra charge.
    :P MazdaSpeed is zoom-ZOOM in its true drive feeling.
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  • wusterwuster Posts: 153
    hey, are those fold down trays behind the driver and front passenger seats?
  • I hope Canada gets the 6speed diesel, if so that means the US market is right behind it.

    I am holding out for 2007 to find the light duty diesel car that I will sit on for a while. I really hope it will be the Mazda5, as it has all the right ingredients.

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They probably are, I know MPV owners import them from other markets.

    -juice
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,444
    A 6-speed diesel would be enough to put the 5 at the top of my list for my next vehicle - even if Mazda does not offer seating for 3 in the middle. I still hope they come around on this issue though.

    I noticed CR just tested the 5 and liked it quite a bit. It is now their highest rated wagon.

    -Dudley
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Saw that, too.

    It's funny to see the HHR and the Mazda5 next to each other, the Mazda is soooooo much more space efficient. In about the same space they have 3 rows and a much bigger green house for visibility.

    -juice
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    Couldn't find any reference to it in this discussion, but the Mazda5 (Premacy in Japan) received perfect scores on the Japanese test, 6 x 6 stars. If you search for NASVA you will be able to find it, but it's going to be tricky if you don't read Japanese.
  • d5ad5a Posts: 63
    Been looking for the past two months at getting a larger car. Keep coming back to the Mazda brand. Have a dealer offering me a new 2006 MPV LX-SV with a MSRP of 23,710 out the door for 17,500. The MPV has a few options like rear air, Cargo net and roof rack and floor mates but i would have to add privacy tint to the rear glass. Also have another Mazda Dealer offering me a 2007 Mazda 5 touring with a sticker of 20,695 on the road for 20,880. The 5 has a sunroof and automatic air, rear bumper guard and floor mates also. I cant decided which car will be the best one over the long haul. Should I save the money and go with the MPV and hope its a good van, but fear taking a loss on the resale value due to it being an older model, or should I pay more and get a newer style Mazda 5. Each car has its pros and cons just trying to figure out which one will be best for the next 5 or so years. I'm worry the MPV may not be as reliable due to having a ford engine but not sure if the 5 is any better with it being a new model. Any words of wisdom would greatly be apprecaited. Also please tell me your thought on the prices I have been offered. Thanks everyone for your help!
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