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Scion tC

libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
This will be a convertible. Does anyone know about this upcoming model?
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  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    $10K less than the current least expensive convertible?
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    I heard the xC would be a sporty coupe with more power than the two current models.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    cheap convertible.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    This could be fun, actually.

    I bought a used Miata and would have at least considered something like this were it available at the time.

    It has to be light, though, that's the key to the current Scions. The engine has little torque. Convertibles add weight, so that's a bad combination.

    And puh-lease kill the dorky center-mounted speedo. They should be above the steering wheel. People rejected the Echo for this reason (and others).

    -juice
  • wsag26wsag26 Posts: 124
    I was reading MotorTrend magazine and I came upon possible styling for the Xc. It didn't exactly look like a convertible, but it resembled more of a hatchback. Styling not once so ever looked like there current hatchback the Xa, so my guess is Toyota Corp. might be changing there mind about whether it will be a convertible or hatchback, or maybe if it will come to America at all....
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    Motor Trend is now saying the Scion xC will be the Toyota Avensis! Not that this is earth-shattering news because for the most part the Avensis, especially in sedan form, is kind of dull. I don't see how it will appeal to the youth crowd, but it seems to be a very nice car and if it has Scion-like pricing then I'll definetly consider one as my next car.

    One problem is it may not have Scion-like pricing. In the UK the pricing ranges from £14,200 to £21,700. This is definetly not in the same price range as the Scion xA or xB. Either way I find it appealing and hope they bring it over.

    What does everyone think?

    Here is a review from 4car that will give you some info on what the Avensis is about. It's available in sedan, hatchback, and wagon variations. This will appeal to a broad range of people, but again seems to not really appeal to the youth crowd in my opinion.

    http://www.channel4.com/apps26/4car/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=231_2&re- viewid=779

    Nothing is confirmed yet though, so this car may not be coming. The project leader is an audio buff so the Avensis has a very good stereo already in place, so that covers the prerequisite good stereo that all Scions are suppose to have.
  • I've been wondering why Toyota hasn't whipped out the new Avensis to compete with Passat, at least in style, here in the United States. Yeah, it would definitely steal sales from Camry, but if you named it Avensis Camry (so long as they are somehow related), you've got your sales numbers problem solved.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    "Yeah, it would definitely steal sales from Camry, but if you named it Avensis Camry (so long as they are somehow related), you've got your sales numbers problem solved."

    Yeah I thought about that, it could definetly steal sales from the Camry. One way around that though is to not offer the 2.4 engine. The next engine is the 2.0 which has 145 hp or something like that. It only weighs around 2800-2900 pounds though so it'll be close to the Camry in speed even though it has less HP because of the less weight.

    Still a lot of Americans buy HP and even though I haven't compared the exterior dimensions, the Avensis is probably smaller on the outside as well. This may be reason enough to have a lot of people still want the Camry. Also by the time it comes out (and hopefully it will) the Camry redesign will be a year or two away, so after the Avensis is on the market for a year or so the new Camry will be close to coming out.

    If they play their cards right they can keep it from hurting Camry sales too much. To me though the Avensis seems to be a better overall car than the Camry.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Looks like a Corolla with a VW front-end. The outcome is OK, though. I'm not sure it'll fit in with the image the xB portrays.

    Camry buyers' median age has crept up there, I'm just not sure how this would attract younger buyers, besides lower price?

    -juice
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    Ok I've done some more looking around for info on this car and here's what I've come up with. By the way the car has been shown to some Toyota dealers and people so a lot of this info is probably accurate. No pictures but here's some info.

    The car will be named "tC" and not xC.

    It will indeed be a 2-door coupe. Some say it will sort of look like the civic coupe, others say like the solara or celica. Basically I can't find any consistent info about it's looks. Word is though it will NOT look like the ccX concept.

    Platform? Can't find any info but a double wishbone suspension is being thrown around. The Avensis platform has struts in front and double wishbone in back so maybe this is what Motor Trend was talking about.

    Optional turbocharger/supercharger from the factory.

    Engine will be either 2.4 in Camry or 1.8 in Celica.

    Will have a glass roof. One of those panoramic sunroof type things. Didn't the ccX concept have this? Most info says it will have this but at the same time will not look like the ccX concept.

    Price will come in barely under $18,000. I believe this is Scion's top limit on pricing. The car will have a lot of standard equipment and come in under $18,000.

    Will be officially shown in January at the Detroit Auto Show. Will be out April-June 2004. Word has it the Scion brand will not be released to the rest of the country until this time or possibly as late as July or so. It looks like everything is planning to happen in the middle of next year though.

    17" alloys standard

    6-speed manual or auto

    Personally I think the glass roof thing is a big mistake. That must add on significantly to the price and some people simply won't care about having one. It should be an option and not standard. All the info I read from people who were there at the unveiling or heard something from someone (I know, take all this with a grain of salt) said something about the glass roof being on it.

    I think under $18,000 with a lot of standard equipment is a good price, but the glass roof must add at least $1,000 to the price. Again that would be a big mistake in my opinion. It needs to be an option, not standard.

    Bottomline is though the Scion tC has been shown to a significant number of people so I think at least some of this info is accurate.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    Guess I jumped to conclusions too quick. lol I still wish the Avensis was being offered but you're right, it doesn't fit into the youth crowd or into what Scion is about.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    Also interesting is the Celica is due for a complete redesign very soon, probably for the 2005 model year. Won't the Scion and Celica be in direct competition with each other? Wonder what they'll do to keep them different enough. I guess the glass roof or optional turbocharger is enough to appeal to the more younger crowd compared to the Celica.
  • Great pic! Thanks! I can't wait to see this car.

    So what's this mean for the Celica? What was a Corolla Levin?
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Previous posts are correct. It will have a modified Camry four banger.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    Is the glass roof standard? I don't think it's a good move if it is. That has definetly got to add some money to the final price if it's standard. Some people like me don't care for sunroofs and never use them so being forced to take a glass roof seems like it'll make some buyers look elsewhere.

    It would be better to cheapen the base price and make it optional, that way people who simply don't want it or want to save some extra money can get one without it.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    This could be the model that gets me into the Toyota/Scion showroom for my next vehicle. The xA and xB, while versatile, are simply too underpowered, and the xB- bizarre. If this tC offers a modified Camry 2.4L, with its excellent blend of torquey delivery and fuel efficiency, sign me up. Hope the front end looks good, too.

    ~alpha
  • Can we please change the title to the Scion tC.
  • Wow that was fast!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Will it get the goofy speedometer location? I hate when it's in the middle like the other Scions.

    If it does get a glass roof, it had better have good A/C!

    -juice
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