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Scion tC

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    RSX is a hatch, right? tC is a coupe. That alone is an advantage in the eyes of some.

    -juice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    tC is a hatchback, that deceptively looks like a coupe.

    I dont know if I trust those specs on the scion.com website. The 3200lb AWD RAV4 gets 22/27 on the EPA cycle.

    Why is $19,000 too high for this vehicle? Price a RSX, Celica, Eclipse etc. lately? Across the compact segment, this is a competitive price except for the Koreans.

    ~alpha
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    "Why is $19,000 too high for this vehicle? Price a RSX, Celica, Eclipse etc. lately? Across the compact segment, this is a competitive price except for the Koreans."

    I guess everyone's definition of value is different. It's obvious you and gee35 really like this car's overall package. For someone who doesn't see it as a big deal to begin with, $19k with no way to lower the price is just too much.

    IMO the RSX, Eclipse, and Celica really isn't much of a value. Not that I think they're bad cars, but to me they simply aren't worth it. So it shouldn't be any surprise that someone like me that hates sunroofs and would prefer the ride comfort and cheaper cost to have 16" alloys versus 17" would find a $19k Scion tC to be too high.

    Even though it's a 4-door, the Mazda3 seems to be a better value. Once the rebates start being offered, you can easily get a 2.3 Mazda3 for less than 19k. The interior is competitive, the handling/sportiness should be on par with the tC, it can have 17" alloys, sunroof, everything the tC has, and more likely with a cheaper price tag.

    Again the only thing that stands out about the tC is the standard 17" alloys and the sunroof. If you plan to put people in the back seat a lot to take advantage of the reclining back seats it's better to get a 4-door. Those seats won't do any good if you throw your back out trying to crawl in the back seat. Even if there's a lot of room back there, if you plan to put people back there rather often then a 2-door isn't a good idea IMO.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I completely respect your opinion. Given that you clearly dont prefer two door coupes, I'm not sure why you've taken such an interest on this thread. Its seems as though you are willing to concede that the tC will likely be a good entry, and a better value than others in its peer group, so your reference to the Mazda 3 (while understandable), isnt really relevant, given that I dont think many people cross-shop two door entry sports coupes with compact sedans. I'm sure there are some that may, though.

    A Mazda 3 4Door 5M with moonroof, CD changer, ABS, side curtains, and 17-in wheels stickers at $19,105. Since we dont know about pricing yet on the tC yet, we really cant say anything other than it will certainly be in the ballpark, and if they can offer the base tC with most of the aforementioned Mazda 3 options being standard, at $17,000, then pricing will certainly be competitive, even at "NO HAGGLE" MSRP.

    ~alpha
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
    It's nearly impossible to make a comparison between 2-door coupes to 4-door sedans, as quite often the intended target market is different. As alpha stated, it's really not likely that a person shopping for a 2-door sports coupe is going to look at a sedan and decide that the 4-door is better. IMO, they've already made the decision about which body style they prefer before they shop.

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  • I sorta disagree with you.

    IMO, the SCC crowd (young, often wealthy or willing to spend, frequently has few family obligations)tends to waver freely between the number of doors. I think a lot of the SCC crowd would cross-shop between Mazda3, Tc, WRX, Eclipse, Celica, RSX, Golf even though they cross several car classes and several car levels.

    Likewise, enthusiasts from the same crowd would probably cross-shop the 350z, G35c, Evo, Sti, RX-8.

    There are just so many great models out there right now. Number of doors almost seems trivial, at least to me.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    If you are going to throw $20,000 in mods at it.

    I say he mini-Lexus look, above average content, and Toyota lineage will make this car a winner.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Didn't realize that, saw it up on the turn table but not yet up close.

    I think for the SCC shopper, that may be the case (any # of doors, so long as it performs).

    -juice
  • I agree, the car _is_ going to be a winner. Whether it's the best in class or not... see above, ad nauseum, etc.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    Actually I do like 2-door coupes. But I won't buy one unless the styling is really good, that's kind of the point when buying a less practical 2-door. For example I'm just as likely to buy a 2-door Civic vs. a 4-door because I like the 2-door's styling better. I wouldn't haul people in the backseat very often so I'm open to a 2-door.

    Just to be straight forward about this, the whole reason I'm not liking the tC for the most part is the sunroof. Usually sunroof cars don't have enough headroom for me. I noticed Edmunds has a little page up with stats on the tC and they list headroom at 37.6 inches, which I doubt will be enough for me. Plus since it's essentially 2 holes in the roof instead of one I would suspect this adds quite a bit to the price, even though being standard helps them keep the cost of it down.

    Since pricing isn't available yet I can't really say, but over 18k and to me at least it just seems too expensive. But that's because I'm not all that thrilled with the car. At the same time though I do like the car enough and find it interesting enough to keep up with info on it. Once it's released and I'm able to see it in person I may lose interest and not care anymore, but for now I do think it's a nice car that I would consider owning (if there was no sunroof) and the price was reasonable.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    By the way, the tC is in the browse by vehicles menu, and has been for awhile, but there's no topic for the tC listed under it. Can a mod move this topic so when you go to the tC category that it'll bring this topic up? Thanks!
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    I think the price will be reasonable. Car & Driver says under $17K and Autombile mag says "about" or "around $17K. Automobile also said the styling is a derivative of Audi and BMW, but to me, that's a good thing.
      But it's gonna have a sunroof, a dual one at that! I'd like the option of not having it too, but I don't think they'll make it that way.
    It'll be an interesting car to see. I'm interested in it because of the engine and the sportier nature compared to Camry, but I may go with the Mazda 3 instead. I'm about to be an empty-nester, so I don't need 4 doors much, but insurance is probably cheaper for a 4-door.
  • irnmdnirnmdn Posts: 240
    Mazda3 has a unrefined and rough engine compared to the Camry based one on tC. I prefer the versatility of a hatch over two additional rear door of a sedan. Madzda3 5-door lookes too minivanish to me (a cross between Dodge Caravan and PT Cruiser)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think the Mazda3 looks more like a small Murano.

    Is that 2.3l Ford-derived?

    -juice
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    "Is that 2.3l Ford-derived?"

    I think Ford supplied the block but the rest was Mazda design. What I do know is this is Ford's 4-cyl for the future. The Focus will be using it and dropping the old engines it was using. If there is a problem with it I think Ford would move quick to solve the problem since it'll be used in so many of their cars across the world.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Is that the same PZEV engine from the current Focus? They just put that in there.

    Autoweek gave the engine good reviews.

    -juice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Was excellent when I recently test drove a Focus ZX5. Responsive, sounded strong, not whiny, and offered decent if not Honda/Toyota-like EPA figures.

    Too bad the first one I wanted to test drive wouldnt start- which certainly embarrassed the salesman!

    ~alpha
  • fdannafdanna Posts: 263
    Just to chime in about 2.3 pzev in the Focus, it's impressive. I have the 2.0L Zetec and it's much rougher and less powerful. Upon taking my Focus in for the bazillionth time, the rental focus I got was a pzev. The pzev hums along like the 1.8L they use in the Corolla and is very responsive.... I couldn't believe how smooth and quiet it was.
  • Hello. Im actually in the market for a new car, and saw this beauty. I personally like the minimalistic look of this car compared to any car in its range. The interior is laid out perfectly and has a nice, extremely modern look, unlike the tiburon. The tiburons interior is way dated and i dont know if i would ever consider buying an hyundai considering i havent heard many good things about them. Both of my parents own toyotas and are going great. my mom had a 1993 previa van,yes the egg shaped van, and it had 200k miles on it before they traded it for a camry. Seems like i good deal to me, but i will not buy unless it drops below 18k. The new civic looks pretty tempting also ;p.
  • 1davao1davao Posts: 114
    Some similarity to tC scion but looks like our
    design is bare bones.

    http://www.toyota-europe.com/showroom/avensis/gallery.html

    1davao
  • Does anyone know if the interior dimension specs on Edmunds are genuine, seeing as how no other websites (including Scion) have yet to release such info?

    I'm just curious about the front head room (only 37.6 in. !!!) cuz if that's true, then my 6'2 frame most likely wouldn't be able to fit comfortably inside...
  • jsvhjsvh Posts: 14
    I am 6'3 and also interested in the tC. Right now I have a '93 Camry which has front head room of 38.4 in. I have never had a problem with headroom after I got my seat adjusted correctly. I think we will have to wait to actually sit in the car before we can make a judgment.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
    Don't know about the tC, but the unusual Xb has been recommended several times in our "Cars for tall drivers" discussion.

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  • spydspyd Posts: 3
    Do you guys think it's worth waiting for the supercharger to be in stock before purchasing a tC?
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    Only if you need to factor it into your car payments.

    I actually think it is fun to drive a car for a while stock so that when you fix it up, you really appreciate the difference.
  • I'm pretty stoked about this car. Before, I was pretty set on getting the 2005 Chevy Cobalt SS when it comes out.
    But then I saw this Scion Tc. I love the interior too. Very clean and well flowing design. Whereas the Chevy looks like more of the same. The Cobalt's interior is nice but it just looks...blah. You know? And I have a GM Card too.
    Considering the parent company is Toyota, I can't go wrong.
    I wanted to get the supercharger version myself but it most likely will require Premium gas. Then the insurance to top it off. Ask yourself, will it be worth it when you're probably sitting in traffic about 60% of the time?
    I'd rather save money for a nice motorcycle.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    I think it depends on what you want in the car. The Cobalt SS is most likely going to be much faster than the tC with the Supercharger, and will probably cost about the same.

    The tC is going to be a great car, but FI or not, it's not really going to comepte with the Cobalt SS (in my mind).
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Posts: 200
    http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news64/

    Here is what Honda has in store for you...

    If Lutz is to be taken seriously, they are going for the crown with Cobalt SS. Expect some serious action on this car, Eager young lads will be delighted to swing this thing...
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,641
    It's not like GM hasn't had millions of recalls,
    many for things a lot more serious than low beams going out.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

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